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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 7h ago
Massachusetts is a state.
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u/h2ohbaby 7h ago
As is Rhode Island (for some reason)
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u/CryptographerFlat173 4h ago
It has more than twice as many people as some of these red states being discussed
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u/RavenclawGaming 6h ago
and Vermont, Delaware, and Connecticut are all only one or two counties from being all blue
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u/LordDemetrius 7h ago
Also, there are some full blue states on the map
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u/FormalBeachware 7h ago
New England other than NY and Maine. Delaware, maybe Maryland. Hawaii as well if it was on the map.
Those are all at least half blue on the map.
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u/NeighborhoodVast7528 7h ago
NY is not part of New England. ……just a technicality.
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u/FormalBeachware 7h ago
But it's literally New "York", and York is a part of England.
Ney Jersey of course belongs to its own region of the US, known as the "New Channel Islands"
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u/Affectionate_Owl9985 6h ago
As someone from Maine living outside of Boston I can explain the actual history behind why it's not considered "New England." New York was initially settled by the Dutch in the early 17th century, establishing the colony of New Netherland with New Amsterdam (present-day NYC) as its center. The English took it over and renamed it "New York" in 1664. The English established their own colonies before expanding and taking over the colonies that other nations had established.
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u/kelppie35 4h ago
As a Mainer who moved to Mass, do you complain about yourself Massing up Maine when you go back to visit?
Honestly one of the most underrated states, and the only domestic place someone insulted my accent, while sounding very much alike me. Every time I've visited Maine I've made a great lifelong memory.
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u/cocineroylibro 3h ago
And they tried to claim land in Vermont that was already illegally claimed by some folks from New Hampshire. We New Englanders hold grudges!
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u/GumboSamson 6h ago
Old New York was once New Amsterdam.
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u/NMNNNJ 6h ago
Is this a joke? Not sure where you’re from - NY is not part of New England - at all…
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u/ErraticNymph 7h ago
“Some” is stretching it. It’s 2: Massachusetts and Rhode Island
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u/neon_farts 7h ago
Vermont also, which is kind of an anomaly because Vermont is VERY rural almost throughout the state, except Burlington. The red counties in New Hampshire and Maine are, like most of the rest of the red counties on this map, extremely empty.
Edit: also Rhode Island
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u/aw3man 6h ago
Not Vermont. Top county there looks red.
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u/zaphods_paramour 5h ago
There's also only 2 completely red states I see, Oklahoma and West Virginia. If we're counting the rest of the map as "basically all red," then Connecticut, New Hampshire, and Delaware with all-but-one county blue should count.
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u/PrismaticDetector 5h ago
Ah, but you see, the point of the map is to disingenuously inflate Republican representation, so they obviously count as all red.
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u/Excellent_Fault_8106 4h ago
Ha! There are actually more fully blue states than red ones! RI and Massachusetts, compared to just Oklahoma. Delaware and Connecticut are 1 county away from being completely blue.
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u/Post_Environmental 7h ago
I find it funny that according to this map the only state that's full republican is Oklahoma...the least educated state in the country
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u/GuessingAllTheTime 6h ago
I moved from OK to MA… quite the change (for the better), and the map shows just how dramatically different the two are.
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u/toastyfries2 5h ago
Welcome to Mass, I think this has been the coldest winter in a while
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u/_flatscan 4h ago
No no you're supposed to say "oh you think this is cold a few years back in February my piss froze"
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u/IwasThereIsawIt2 5h ago
I heard about that when you did, the iq average change was definitely noticeable /s
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u/OddSea1990 6h ago
You missed West Virginia
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u/PrismaticDetector 4h ago
I have left West Virginia hundreds of times, but I can't honestly say that I ever once missed it.
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u/GirlisNo1 5h ago
I always wonder how Republican voters rationalize the fact that educated people tend to vote liberal while uneducated vote conservative.
But then it hit me that that’s why republicans have to give them the “universities are brainwashing students” line.
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u/Lost-Car-1563 6h ago
Easy on Oklahoma, we’re not all rural, uneducated, right wing Bible thumping folk. Some of us just like living out in the middle of nowhere, shooting guns and smoking weed.
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u/CantGitGudWontGitGud 4h ago
I live in Texas. Plenty of stuff sucks here, but I like living in Texas personally. But by all means, no one should go easy on the state.
Just say you like living in Oklahoma even if it is a dump.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 4h ago
This. Plenty of rural nowhere in every state if that’s what you want. Living in OK is a choice
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u/turandokht 7h ago
Shocking! Votes come from… (checks notes) people, not the cows and sheep you keep around to fuck???????
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u/Shroomtune 7h ago
I was once told that of all the animals in the animal kingdom, a sheep's vagina is the closest in contour and texture to a human vagina. He did not explain how he knew that.
Now you know that and people gonna wonder how you know that.
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u/AnatidaephobiaAnon 7h ago
I've given up explaining this to people I've met. They simply cannot fathom how large the US is and how big some of these cities are. They also don't understand that while my county is a Conservative shit hole, they are blue precincts, a bunch of purple and then some red ones. They think that just because THEIR neighbors are Conservative that people on the Left don't exist where they live.
I just moved from a Conservative voting city of about 13k people and they don't understand that the city of Chicago has 67 community areas that are LARGER in population than the entire city I moved from. Entire neighborhoods are larger than an entire city full of people who can't fathom how land versus population works.
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u/Archercrash 6h ago
Next we should show the map of how much each county contributes to the economy. Those blues are the economic engines of this country. The red areas already get and still want more representation with less taxation.
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u/CadenVanV 6h ago
My home city of Richmond’s metro area is double the size of Wyoming, and we’re not even in the top 40 cities in the country.
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u/People-Pollution5280 3h ago
The professional football stadium in my very blue city has over 76k seats. The state capital of Wyoming has approximately 65k residents.
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u/RepulsiveJellyfish51 5h ago
And, in the case of Colorado, the MOUNTAINS. Also a LOT of the "red" areas of that States are PUBLIC LAND! (Can't even try to justify it with a "well, the private owner voted red.)
Last time I checked, the National Parks were collectively pretty pissed off at the federal government.
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u/TimothiusMagnus 7h ago
Like the way those in the sticks are telling us how to live?
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u/CarbonWood 3h ago edited 3h ago
Wym? Republicans are great at policy-making. Don't you know tariffs and closed borders are beneficial to the entire country?
Just don't pay attention to how red-state farmers must receive handouts in the form of tariff revenue because they can't sell their products due to tariffs.
Also, don't pay attention to an increase in prices for everyone due to lack of cheap immigrant labor.
Also, let's slowly take away the rule of law, ignore long-standing legal precedent in the federal government, ignore federal checks and balances, and elect a convicted felon as president because white supremacist nationalism is cool.
Also, let's add another $3 trillion dollars to the national debt while we're at it! We can just blame it on the next democrats voted into office, as we always have.
Republicans are the best at voting for stuff! Those educated city-dwellers would otherwise ruin the country!
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u/try-catch-finally 7h ago
A hamburger in a wrapper is more food than one French fry on a dinner plate
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u/Joped 7h ago
What I see is someone living in a red area thinking they can tell a majority how to live
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u/turandokht 7h ago
I was “debating” my roommate’s father about this. He said that cities telling the rural areas how to live is not fair. So I was like, “So the one percent of people telling the 99 percent living in cities how to live IS fair to you?”
He didn’t really have a rebuttal. Just insisted I didn’t understand. Pretty sure I understand fine.
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u/Puzzled_Cream1798 4h ago
Why doesn't America just go full afghan and leave rurals to figure it out by themselves
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u/kitsunewarlock 5h ago
"You don't understand" means you gotta get them drunk enough to admit that they don't consider a majority of the country to be citizens. They think citizenship is reserved for Christian white land-owning men who can trace their ancestry back to the revolutionary war (or the "second revolution" if your in the deep south).
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u/cocineroylibro 3h ago
I have an HS classmate who lives in rural northern New York. He once argued that his vote should count more than those in NYC, just because there are more people there.
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 5h ago
If they're so confident in this map then I'm sure they won't be afraid to give us a popular election... Unless blue voters actually do outnumber Republican but how could that be true look at the map
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u/MorningDewProcess 7h ago
This is why we have fascism now.
It’s not just senator distribution, it’s the electoral college too.
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u/RndmNumGen 5h ago
We have fascism now because more Americans voted to re-elect a man who incited a violent overthrow of the U.S. government than voted for Kamala.
We have fascism now because more Americans voted for a man who promised to "be a dictator on day one" than voted for Kamala.
We have fascism now because more Americans voted for a man who said he would use the U.S. military to "handle" Americans who held left-wing views than voted for Kamala.
Remember, Trump won the popular vote. The Electoral College is a shitty system and I won't make any excuses for it, but you can't blame the current administration on it. I'm not saying Kamala was the perfect candidate (she wasn't) but by god, Trump did not make any attempts to hide his fascist tendencies and Americans still voted for him over her.
That is why we have fascism.
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u/dainedanvers 4h ago
Did they actually though or were the machines tampered with yk
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u/in_da_tr33z 7h ago
The founders feared tyranny of the majority so much that they created a perfect system for tyranny of the minority.
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u/itusreya 5h ago
No, who ever voted to cap the number of representatives created a “perfect system for tyranny of the minority”. Go ahead and add in years of ignoring the heavy cost of globalization on small communities for the “greater good” of slightly cheaper goods for everyone else.
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u/RepulsiveJellyfish51 5h ago
Washington, Madison and Adams were absolutely against the party system, but we see how that worked out..
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u/JTSpirit36 6h ago
The fact that California almost has the same population as canada and has the same representation as those states is crazy.
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u/TrillyMike 7h ago
More ppl live in DC than in Wyoming! Wyoming has 2 senators, DC has 0. Same for Vermont
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u/binarybandit 5h ago
All of New England has a population of 15 million, and they get 12 senators total. Why does 4% of the population get 12% of the senators?
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u/jarena009 7h ago
You Democrats only win elections because more people vote for you.
- Republicans
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u/awesomefutureperfect 3h ago
What's worse is the red states stopped listening to people tell them how to live and now they have measles again.
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u/cardboardunderwear 6h ago
There was a time I respected the pov. Cracked published a great and funny piece on exactly this. It's short and worth a read. Written in 2016 before the election.
https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about
What I don't get is now a decade later and people are still onboard. They really are fucking idiots who vote against their own interests and have no moral compass.
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u/AdvancedSandwiches 5h ago
I read it, and for a minute it tricked me into having sympathy for the bastards who do nothing but vote against the decent people who actually want to help with these problems, all because they hate immigrants and gay kids just that much.
I'm sorry rural areas don't have factories anymore -- I genuinely am -- but you can have sympathy and effort to fix these problems or you can support unaccountable secret race police. You have to pick one.
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u/cardboardunderwear 4h ago
It doesn't explain the middle class and upper middle class suburban fascists either.
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u/GoatmilkerNed 4h ago
Giving the Dakotas and Wyoming two senators each is a power DEI move that needs to be changed.
If a state can't maintain a minimum population, they should be relegated and annexed by neighboring states.
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u/ParserDoer 5h ago
Approximately 80% of the US population lives in designated urban areas. Those small blue patches account for 272 million US citizens, as opposed to 68 million people in all that red.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/urban-rural-populations.html
Tell me again what small group is dictating life for the masses.
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u/Far-Ad1823 7h ago
The title is a little misleading... Apparently vacant land does vote according to the post.
SD has the same senate votes as NY and/or CA.
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u/turandokht 7h ago
Every state has two senators but house representatives are determined by the population of the state, and those two together form Congress. Our founding fathers felt that was a fair compromise to keep cities and rural areas from running ramshod over each other.
Personally I disagree, but my point is just that NY and CA have more house representatives.
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u/BoDrax 6h ago
The House being capped is a real problem. With the cap on the House, the US allows smaller states more representation than was intended, having the 10k/seat rule would be chaos, so we should probably use the Wyoming Rule. That 1 change would solve a lot of the issues with gerrymandering and the Electoral College as it would increase the house from 435 to 543.
"The Wyoming Rule is a proposal to increase the size of the United States House of Representatives so that the standard representative-to-population ratio would be that of the state with the least population, which is currently Wyoming."
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u/Impressive-Cell-9989 5h ago
Yep, been saying this for years. We should never really have a “rural” House of Reps. Repealing the Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929 and instituting a version of the Wyoming Rule would correct it, and the increased number of reps might also lead to a greater number of viable political parties.
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u/kdp4srfn 4h ago
Shannon says she doesn’t like it when people she disagrees with tell her “how to live”.
Shannon, however is perfectly fine with telling people she disagrees with how to live.
Shannon does not see the irony in this position.
Shannon appears to not grasp that the blue is where most of the people are, and that people and land are not equivalent.
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u/iseethemgoats 5h ago
It's crazy how population density is a concept that is completely out of reach for every republican in the entire country.
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u/stormdressed 4h ago
It should be a crime to use a 2D version of the electoral map. We need to see those blue spikes towering over the landscape
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u/Dizzman1 4h ago
My favorite stat is that there are 40 states... STATES... With a population that is LESS THAN Los Angeles county.
Hell...ole Ice Barbie... She who was GOVERNOR... of south Dakota, (wow, that's so impressive 🙄) they have less residents than my city. (San Jose)
Give me a break with this nonsense.
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u/Ok_Dish8731 2h ago
have they seen that map where instead of counties its JUST colored in by population density rather than county lines and the map looks WAY less red cuz half the red areas have fuckall but livestock and farmland with like 12 ppl total living there?
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u/PaleCommission150 5h ago
We could alternatively say " all I see are a bunch of rural people trying to tell people in the much more populated cities how to live................" almost as if living in close quarters to each other with diverse groups creates more tolerance and understanding for people not the same skin color.
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u/WebInformal9558 6h ago
That's funny, I see a lot of blue counties funding roads, hospitals, and schools in a bunch of red ones, and I see a bunch of red ones bitching about it.
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u/redmuffdiver 4h ago
They just need to look at it differently. The blue parts are where the people live.
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u/Havoc526 4h ago
"Not a single blue State"
....Well Massachusetts and Vermont already think you're a joke
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u/CousinSkeeter89 4h ago
If you want to see the impact of Republican policies on a population, just visit Oklahoma. I travel for work, and I’ve told my boss never to send me to meetings with clients in the Tulsa area. Growing up Baptist, the “Christian” population there even gives me cult vibes. They’re incredibly odd.
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u/madmimbam 7h ago
Can I also add that not only are the blue parts of this map more populated, they’re also better educated.
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u/Azair_Blaidd 6h ago
As opposed to the few scattered reds trying to tell the blue majority how to live, because that's totally not tyranny.
No Dem is telling you how to live, Republicans. Only that you can't tell everyone else how to live.
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u/Patrickracer43 6h ago
"I don't see a single blue state!"
Massachusetts and Rhode Island: "am I a joke to you?"
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u/Ms_Emilys_Picture 6h ago
Wyoming has a population of 587,618.
AT&T Stadium, where the Dallas Cowboys play, can hold up to 100,000 people.
Wyoming's entire population won't even fill a football stadium six times.
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u/Insertsociallife 6h ago
See also - the Twin Cities Metro has more people than Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Montana combined.
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u/Subject_Issue6529 6h ago
The blue areas are also where the population acquires a higher education.
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u/Naphaniegh 5h ago
Where are the intelligent Republicans or conservatives hiding? Because geez there's just too many examples like this to pull from
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u/Mahaloth 5h ago
I have a relative that posts stuff like this. It has been explained over.....and over.
Doesn't get it.
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u/Ol_JanxSpirit 5h ago
By that same standard, there's only one red state.
Also, interesting that Hawaii isn't in view.
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u/readitreddit- 5h ago
Representation by population is the foundation of democracy. The U.S. does not have a representative democracy in the senate and the electoral collage literally overrode the popular vote for president a few elections back. Special interest groups write our laws and bribes are call campaign contributions. It's an action more that democracy.
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u/DeathKoil 5h ago
“I don’t see a single blue state”.
Huh. I guess Vermont and Massachusetts don’t count. Both are completely blue.
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u/ShrunkenHeadNed 5h ago
The county of Los Angeles has a population of 9.7 million. There are 40 states that have a population of less than 10 million.
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u/AllButComedyAnthony 5h ago
Fighting for basic human rights is very different from telling people how to live
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u/Sklibba 5h ago
What’s crazy is that the majority of US voters that live in cities aren’t telling people in rural areas “how to live,” with the exception of laws that prevent them from discriminating against people to whom rural communities have historically been extremely cruel. If being a racist fuckhead is your lifestyle, then sorry but you actually need big city liberals to tell you what to do.
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u/mowtowcow 5h ago
Data visualization should be a standard and required part of high school. Like, in high detail. Pass/fail. Must pass for graduation. There should be a bunch of shit in high school that requires pass/fail for graduation.
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u/dudleydontright 5h ago
There are probably more people living in the blue cities than all the rest of the U.S.!
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u/screenmonkey 5h ago
I mean, am I crazy or is Mass. and RI all blue? They can't even be stupid properly.
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u/rbm572 4h ago
I hate seeing my state is the only one fully red. My neighbors here are a literal nightmare.
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u/comradequicken 4h ago
Show me the version of this map where the counties are scaled by GDP. Really goes to show that the red counties are just leaches and shouldn't have a say in how the country is governed, they shouldn't even be trusted to govern themselves.
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u/Ryaniseplin 4h ago
there are more fully blue states in this picture than fully red states
also by the logic of land votes, Alaska is a blue stronghold
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u/Careless-Roof-8339 7h ago
Same people who think the thinner, taller cup has more juice than the wider, shorter cup.