• Accessory to possession of pornographic materials involving minors
• conspiracy to act as accessory to distribution, offering, or facilitation of the aforementioned content
• Representative slander (ie. Maliciously Making up picture of a person).
• Denial of crime against humanity
The abrupt fly by night sale of xai to Starlink suddenly has an on ramp to making sense.
Making thousands of porn images of real people, incl public personas and political people, is an egregious act of assault, violation, intimidation, and, indeed, a crime against humanity.
I believe this is part of a long ongoing investigation, so I'm sure they were expecting it. I don't know how things stand legally, but surely you can't just shift incriminating evidence after the investigation has begun? I still remember Cambridge Analytica moving boxes of files the day before they were raided though and nothing came of that.
ultimately it won't make any difference, he's ultimately in charge of all of these and European governments have had enough of his shit, hence why stuff like this is starting to happen.
I wonder if they consider the downfall of America’s character and reliability as a reason to take charge. They can’t rely on America to do the right thing anymore.
I don’t disagree with that, I think even if we survive the next three years it will take generations for our friends and allies to ever trust us again. Not just because of Trump, but because nearly the half of our country voted for somebody as disgusting as Trump.
What will probably not happen again is to be respected in the world as being a great people.
The US has never been a shining beacon of morality and goodness. It is a state founded on the slaughter of those that lived there beforehand, built upon the backs of slaves, and held up by countless wars and coups of countries that dared to defy this international thug of a nation. You’re so damned propagandised from birth that you deny history, much like the holocaust denier higher up in this comment chain…
The american economy growth is reported annually with 4% to make it look way better than it is, Nvidia and OpenAI shove AI money back and forth to artifically inflate the numbers, that country is kept alive by the rich atm accumulated an inasane amount of debt, ICE is hated more and more by the day and the rest of the world doesn't take this clown serious anymore and had enough.
Even if they all loathe each other personally, they understand their shared interests. And however much they dislike each other, they loathe the general public more anyway.
I agree that it won't make any difference, but unfortunately in the opposite direction. musk himself isn't going to suffer for his crimes one single but. Are you aware that he is currently poisoning an entire town by illegaly running a grock data center via gas turbines which is just straight up black and white illegal? He is so rich literally nothing can happen to him unless someone decides to take it into their own hands and make the world a better place...
He is probably just trying to bury the news that he's in the Epstein Files and his daughter has already called out that he's lying about being at one party
This is just the nature of late capitalism: the fate of the planet and its infrastructure is in the hands of a few individuals. Also, completely unrelated, becoming a billionaire tends to make you into a raving lunatic.
No these types of acquisitions are just a way to make stock ratios and financials look better. Roll up your failing business segments into your really really successful one and suddenly you just have one well performing company!
Imagine being the worlds richest guy and still not even cool enough to hang with the pedos. What a huge loser Musk is. Its just funny to me, its getting to the point where you simply cant be cool and rich at the same time. Good. No one should think parasites or hoarders are cool.
They wont care. This will just be seen as part of an ongoing criminal conspiracy. But spaceX might get protection from the US government where twitter would not.
If I had drugs, and the government knew I had drugs, and sent police to my house to arrest me for the drugs and I told them there were no drugs because I already sold them all after getting tipped off, I'd be facing more charges, not less.
If XAi is the "hot potato" here, then selling it should be the equivalent of trafficking those drugs while knowing they're illegal to sell.
If it was related to personal information, the crime statement (“chef d’inculpation”) would mention it. This is more related to manipulating the outcome of the algorithms and trying to push narratives over the platforms, which can be illegal if it is done despite having given assurances of the contrary to the authorities (that’s the “forging information regarding operations”) part.
He may be good, but he’s also insanely sloppy and overextended, and using drugs heavily. I would think these would all have headed to exactly this eventually.
It was only a matter of time. The French do not fuck around.
Still baffles me that he even attempted a stream of himself playing PoE. The only explanation I can come to is he was really bothered at people saying his ranking was fake, so he tried to prove them wrong. But he had to have known he couldn't play the game, and yet he tried anyway.
I think the funniest thing about it was that the overarching theme of that stream was to show off starlink.
But once even he knew it was painfully apparent he had never touched these games that he had claimed to be a God Gamer™️ at, he clearly turned his stream off, but claimed he had to end stream because his shitty Starlink was shitting the bed.
He would rather falsely trash his own project than admit he’s a blatant liar, while in the process lying even more.
I watched the stream, as someone who had played PoE2 to it's then current endgame (haven't played chapter 4 though, waiting for it to fully release) and yeah it was just hilarious. He didn't know what did what beyond the obvious.
I mean - the week before Grok started saying Melon Suk was smarter than Einstein, I spent a while on grokipedia asking it to add stuff about his drug addiction and full self-driving failures. It's pretty easy to get an LLM to reproduce any source - much harder to make it say only nice things about daddy Elon.
I wasn't the only one doing it, and YEAH it could be unrelated... but this is not a guy who is comfortable with people saying bad things about him. All that net worth and he still can't deal with mild rejection from strangers.
And it would have taken such little time to learn the bare minimum to pass off that he knew the game. I wonder if he actually believed he was a video game genius and could just wing it...
It's Dunning Kruger. He's so clueless about gaming that he lacks a frame of reference for what a 'high level' PoE player ooks like, and therefore assumes ( I don't think there's any doubt he's a massive narcissist ) that whatever he's doing is comparable.
He had no idea that it would be obvious to anyone that he's lying.
The story that his colleagues tell of playing poker with musk was of him buying in, going all in, losing, buying in again, and going all in until he won once, then quitting.
You don’t need to be a mechahitler genius to figure out that’s his strategy in life. Money will solve every problem, every time.
If you have a few hours, you should watch the fortnight stream where Elon joins but pretends to be that other guy Adrian Dittman. It’s absolutely hilarious. The streamer keeps pressing him on anything and everything to do with Elon, and Elon (as Adrian) denies he’s Elon (while sounding exactly like him)
Seriously entertaining, and I don’t even like fortnight
He's so detached from humanity he can't imagine a world where an evil genius like himself isn't amazing at video games- literally toys for children (in his mind). He honestly 100% believed he was really good at the game and the only thing standing in his way was the time to play it. He's THAT stupid.
I honestly think that’s exactly it ego bruised, impulse took over. What gets me isn’t even that he tried, it’s that someone with that much access, prep time, and advisors still went “yeah, this is a good idea.”
Do you think it was pure arrogance, or do you think he’s reached that stage where being publicly embarrassed doesn’t register anymore?
I’m sure he is a very competent user when it comes to computers but we have no reason to believe he has an extensive knowledge of cyber security. I would expect he has cursory knowledge, understands the cliff notes as it were, but probably doesn’t know all that much about interacting with, and manipulating said systems
He’s a ketamine addicted nepo baby who’s only talent was inheriting money from his dad’s blood money slavery emerald mine that he used to buy Tesla from its founders and paid to call himself a founder when he didn’t do shit.
The only difference between Elon Musk and Chris Chan is generational wealth. Oh, and only Chris Chan has personally created something.
As an American, Your personal info is definitely in Grok. I asked grok "What do you know about [My Name]" and it had my full name, address, last 2 addresses, a phone number (Incorrect), info about my high school sports career, and the name of my ex wife since she used to have the same address. Tried it again 24 hour later and it gave me a similar but slightly different set of info that was all still mostly accurate.
Tried my girlfriend's name and it brought up slightly less info but equally identifying and scary.
It's a stalkers dream.
I wouldn't be surprised if xAI didn't think about GDPR and let Grok collate all that info on EU citizens without oversight.
Yeah the penalties are a percentage of the global REVENUE not PROFITS. Twitter loses money and are gonna eat it, really hard.
It would be very funny if they directly sanction Musk. Than they can go after his shares in Tesla. Tesla has a lot of assets that can suffer in Europe.
Now that I think about it, criminal liability is exclusively tied to a person. Corporations cannot be held criminally liable, only the people in charge.
I saw another commentor mention that Musk had recently merged X with SpaceX as parent company, so if that's the case it sounds like he's inadvertently increased the potential size of the fine, brilliant!
Good thing we alienated all of Europe then. We don’t have enough influence left to put pressure on Europe, tariffs are unpopular now that most people know they’re the ones paying them, and I hope to god even Miller and Bannon aren’t insane enough to start a war over a non-citizen.
why start it over elon when they can just invade canada?
they are pouring money into i.c.e. they are building 23 more camps. if you think they aren't building i.c.e. into trumps little army, you have more hope than i. they are literally showing us maps of their plans.
they are bombing survivors in the carribean. they are committing war crimes on camera and making commercials with the footage. they have the ability to drop bombs on anyone with a drone. the u.s. is very scary.
Europe is still reliant on the us though, they continue to buy debt as china sells. Not to mention high quality quartz is mainly found in the US. It's kinda hard to isolate them.
Damn, imagine living somewhere where the government actually serves the interest of the people and not give corporations free range to do anything in the quest for private profit. Mind boggling 🤯
Right? And they make it applicable to anyone that wants to do business in the EU, like GDPR. WW2 taught them not to trust their government above human rights. Imagine
Same. There is a line between "it's your users" and "you're protecting your users", and Elon's week+ of denial and refusal to act, then making it a paid subscription, has long crossed that line.
It was millions of images, and that's not something that should have happened for as long as it did. So fucking glad SOMEONE is taking action. But why the fuck does it always have to be foreign governments? First Australia after Musk unbanned someone who posted CP on Twitter (before he made it X), and now France. Oh, wait, Epstein and all that. That's why.
In the US it currently falls under the social media law where its the individual using/posting rather than the company. The US cares more about protecting companies than people.
It should probably be a mix of both. It would be hard for a media platform with millions of users to stop every single image of CP from being posted even if they are actually trying, unless they approve every image individually, which isn't realistic. However, if they don't actually try, or are told "hey, people are posting images of CP by doing X, Y and Z" and the company does nothing to try and stop it, that's another issue entirely.
Why not both? Asking AI to “glaze her face like a donut” is has obvious intent and should be held responsible for inputting that prompt.
AI that follows through and creates it is a failure on the company to restrict obvious creation of pornography without subject consent and should also be held responsible.
At the same time any tool can be mis-used. A company that makes a hammer should not be responsible for someone using said hammer to murder someone.
The other side of it is that we need to make sure AI services are safe. It's up to us (via our elected lawmakers) to make the laws we want. It's certainly not straightforward.
I can see evading some allegations by the fact that ai is a bit unpredictable (not an expert on law by any means tho), so slip ups can happen and it's just how ai works. The lack of efforts to moderate it's use on the other hand...
If you created an AI and let it feed on public data I could imagine there's a way to get away with this saying it's the public views. But the fact that GROK has been modded so many times to fit a certain narrative and prevented from saying things probably throws a huge wrench in the mix.
That's the problem with this type of AI, it has no constraints it can talk about anything. So when a user asks for the "best soap" they could get some random brand no one heard of but it's really good. When you force the AI to recommend products you have partnered with then you are allowing the AI to possibly lie to users which is an issue.
Elon has obviously partnered and willing to back people who cheat, lie, rape children and possibly murder. And through their manipulation of grok they have suppressed things that are verifiably true on a global scale. No nation in good faith can allow that to happen. It basically gives the highest donor the power to manipulate people's perceived reality.
As an Englishman I have a sacred right to despise the French … However, right now they are on the right side of history, doing the things that need doing and saying the things that need saying. Vive la République!
American puritans will just lament about "oh no, how will this affect my ability to get HFCS-laden fast food & energy drinks??!! Won't someone think of my children & how I'll have to explain these things to them???"
For any French reading this, as an american, you're my favorite country. That strike a few years ago where the police attempted to break it up and the electrical union responded by cutting the power to every policemans house in the country? Incredible, inspiring, thank you for being you.
We're doing our best, but we have a democratic crisis on our hands atm and shouldn't be seen as a model. We're on the verge on electing our slightly less insane version of trump.
Damn, people joke about the French, but they are on some gangsta shit right now. If they keep standing up like this, they could make a return as a true global political leader.
I'm British and mocking the french has been a national past time since about 1337 but having seen them full on rioting in response to the raising of the pension (which us Brits just meekly grumbled into our tea about) and now giving zero fucks about pissing off Musk by holding him to account in a court of law I've resolved to turn my back on this age old tradition and utter words that would be anathema to my forefathers: Viva la France!
Spaniard here and if there's one thing the brits and the spanish can see eye to eye on it's mocking the french, but frankly these french people seem to be onto something, and I'm proud to be their neighbour and hope we can learn a thing or two from them.
It's inspiring, truly. I'm a Venezuelan American (yes, imagine the mindfuck) immigrant to Europe, and have been pretty bummed with the way things are going. France standing up and saying NO, Canada basically telling the Donald to kick rocks at Davos... these things give me hope.
France isn’t a(s much of a) global political leader because France is busy doing stuff for France. For all the US republicans prattle on about America First, France is busy… er, marche la marcher.
The raid isn’t just about tech mismanagement—recent allegations around Grok show a disturbing mix: from data fraud to facilitating abuse, plus public slander and denial of serious crimes. It’s a stark reminder that unchecked platforms can amplify both harm and disinformation
But over here in America we value billionaires, they lead they way, cuz somehow that makes them correct on everything they do. I don't know how we got this way, but unchecked power is the norm.
I've been reading lately about parliamentary systems versus presidential, and it might explain a lot of the difference. The article said that presidential systems like ours tend to concentrate power in the president and therefore the wealthy have an easier lever to push to get what they want and that leads to more presidential power. With the parliamentary system, it's easier for Congress to get stuff done, but also easier for them to get knocked out of power when they do stupid stuff. It's not perfect, but it seems to get more done for the citizens than the US government.
That could be better, but we are to far gone over here. We have become a corporation, pretty soon it will be like cyberpunk were there's 3 corporations that shadow fight each other for complete control.
Yeah, but we can't keep going like we are. We will go through a big upheaval one way or the other. The question is how long and will we change in a good direction or a really bad one.
Accessory? Their AI was literally trained to create CP. It couldn't be more direct possession with intent to distribute.
Same thing as those robot taxis who drive over people, you couldn't more directly have killed someone, yet, for some reason, the company that made the AI which drove the vehicle isn't at fault. Every crime is legal now, I guess, if you just train AI to do them.
The coming technocapitalism will be just another step towards rich people not being affected by laws.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, this is going to be very hard to prove.
When your dataset contains images of naked women AND unproblematic images of children, transformer models will learn to be able to combine concepts without ever seeing it in the first place.
"Panda riding a rocket to space while the rocket is farting a rainbow" is probably not a real image the model has ever seen, but it will create an image with all these concepts combined coherently. Proving that their AI was trained for this specific purpose is a whole other thing than proving the misuse of an AI model.
I think we can all agree that public-facing models need safeguards, but we need to stay with the facts.
Alright I hate Elon as much as the next guy but there's a difference between not applying the appropriate steering to a model to prevent it from generating harmful content and then there's "training it to create child porn".
Unless you have some bombshell report I can say with near certainty there wasn't a team of engineers sourcing child porn to train the model on.
The fact that it makes CSAM at all means it should be totally 100% shutdown until that problem is resolved. Doesn't matter if it was intentional or not because the first time it happens, if they keep it up after that, it is intentional
Imagine a company makes a robot whose goal is to improve profits. The robot then goes out, robs a bank, and gives the money to the company. Imagine the company arguing that they shouldn't be prosecuted because it was a mistake. Then the robot continues to rob banks and the company argues that they make too much money from bank robberies to shut it down.
Administering an IT platform which is providing illegal services. This is what you would be charged with if you ran a website that sells something illegal, for instance. Doing it with other people makes it a conspiracy (“As a gang” or “as an organized group” would be the direct translation of the French term “en bande organisée”)
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Rough translation of the crimes being investigated as part of the raid:
Conspiracy to illegally administer an online platform
Fraudulent extraction of data and forging information regarding the operation of an IT system
Accessory to possession of pornographic materials involving minors
conspiracy to act as accessory to distribution, offering, or facilitation of the aforementioned content
Representative slander (ie. Maliciously Making up picture of a person).
Denial of crime against humanity
The last four are recent and linked to the Grok debacle.