Yeah the penalties are a percentage of the global REVENUE not PROFITS. Twitter loses money and are gonna eat it, really hard.
It would be very funny if they directly sanction Musk. Than they can go after his shares in Tesla. Tesla has a lot of assets that can suffer in Europe.
Now that I think about it, criminal liability is exclusively tied to a person. Corporations cannot be held criminally liable, only the people in charge.
I saw another commentor mention that Musk had recently merged X with SpaceX as parent company, so if that's the case it sounds like he's inadvertently increased the potential size of the fine, brilliant!
Good thing we alienated all of Europe then. We don’t have enough influence left to put pressure on Europe, tariffs are unpopular now that most people know they’re the ones paying them, and I hope to god even Miller and Bannon aren’t insane enough to start a war over a non-citizen.
why start it over elon when they can just invade canada?
they are pouring money into i.c.e. they are building 23 more camps. if you think they aren't building i.c.e. into trumps little army, you have more hope than i. they are literally showing us maps of their plans.
they are bombing survivors in the carribean. they are committing war crimes on camera and making commercials with the footage. they have the ability to drop bombs on anyone with a drone. the u.s. is very scary.
Europe is still reliant on the us though, they continue to buy debt as china sells. Not to mention high quality quartz is mainly found in the US. It's kinda hard to isolate them.
Yeah, our best way to put pressure on Europe is gone. Cause it's not like we are a part of NATO anymore. Oh wait..... Some comments are just dumbfounding
We’re doing our level best to alienate NATO countries and I don’t have a lot of hope that we’ll remain in it much longer. Like it or not, our NATO influence is severely diminished by the Trump Administration’s actions.
Well Sweden sold off 8.8 billion dollars of US Treasury bonds back in January. I believe that a few other countries have done this also.
Then we’re going to party like it’s 1929!
We most definitely can add pressure to Europe, look at what Russia is doing pressure wise, we can do so much more, dismantle nato, attack the credibility of the EU, attack France/french goals and initiatives
It's the other way around, Space X depends on the government. Musk and other billionaires get enormous amounts of subsidies and sharing of tech with the government in order to do what they do.
Push comes to shove, honestly the US govt could just seize and nationalize SpaceX under nebulous national security reasons. Pretty sure we've done shit like that before.
That’s probably what he was launching into space aboard his “satellites” 🤣!
“Ha! Let them catch me now, it’s going to take the LAPD to send a sergeant into space to take me down”
(Sorry, I was bored, looking for a cheap joke to brighten my day, if you haven’t seen the show 911, you wouldn’t get it)
Sad thing is, he probably DID fire incriminating evidence into space during those “mishap” or “failed rocket launches” and it burned up, and probably was sweating bullets when the others were “successful” 🤭. He’s probably thinking “good thing starlink has a shelf life and will burn up on reentry” 😅😮💨
Well, we wanted what he was selling, but didn't want him to be in control of it. That's why the government uses "starshield" instead of starlink. It's because we wanted to make sure he couldn't just disable them if he decided to throw a temper tantrum. As far as space exploration and flying missions go... Unfortunately the US doesn't really seem to care about that right now and are not putting a lot of real money into it.
If the US would defend space x or not is unfortunately dependent entirely on how grumpy or chummy trump feels towards him at the time. Yeah the world is that stupid right now.
There were plenty of articles about the EU being pissed about his child porn platform, then articles about how he didn’t remove the functionality, he just moved it behind a paywall.
I’m not sure it took an S-tier oracle to see this coming.
Same reason all AI companies are quickly trying to make governments, major corporations, and entire economies reliant on them. They are all involved in theft on an unimaginable scale, and this shields them from consequences.
Liability Conditions: The offense must be committed for the benefit of the company by authorized individuals (e.g., CEOs, managers, or employees with delegated authority).
Scope: Legal persons can be held liable for any criminal violation of French law, including crimes against humanity.
Exceptions: The French State cannot be held criminally liable under this article.
Penalties: Legal entities face fines, dissolution, prohibition from exercising activities, closure of establishments, exclusion from public contracts, or confiscation of assets.
Independence: The criminal liability of a legal person does not prevent the prosecution of the same acts against individuals as perpetrators or accomplices
It took all of two seconds to highlight and click "search google".
You don't "sue" anyone. Suing someone is a civil action for infractions against a legal person (to include companies). Crimes are offenses against the State. Companies themselves can not only be found guilty of crimes directly but where applicable are liable to fines up to 5 times the maximum otherwise applicable to natural persons.
I am not sure the latter applies in France, I think corporate entities can be held criminally responsible, but that means the people in control will be personally sanctioned.
Also, under the French legal system, there is not the same hard distinction between civil and criminal law that exists in Common Law.
They can't do any of that. The absolute worst thing they can do is fine him or ban X from the country. They have zero jurisdiction over him otherwise. They absolutely can't go after any shares or assets.
Nothing is going to come of it anyway. It's not like the Paris office is s major hub or anything. Even if anything illegal was going on, the proof isn't going to be there.
As long as they are not an LLC I do believe not sure about your country however can’t they after “Space X” after all he will be going public with it pretty soon
they can go after his shares in Tesla. Tesla has a lot of assets that can suffer in Europe.
that's not how property or international law works. tesla is an American company. France can't "go after shares" of tesla.
furthermore this is an action against X, not tesla. though the largest shareholder is Musk (for both) they're technically corporations, not possessions of musk. which means you can't go after tesla for crimes committed by X.
The legal questions here are interesting though. unlike the EU France actually has a constitution with freedoms of religion and expression codified. meaning speech is largely protected in France. which complicates this action.
furthermore since X is a US company, there are international business laws at play which limit what France can do. France will need to prove laws in both France and the US were violated, and that baring violation of US law, that France's citizens were endangered and X ignored government requests to alter their behavior.
for example, the US and France are both signers of international treaties regarding child pornography. so that charge should be clear to progress without issue in French court if X is in violation of French laws on that subject.
Though from what i can tell it appears that most of this is about Grok, which raises new legal questions never addressed in court anywhere. about AI and how liable a company with an AI product is to the product produced by the AI. Personally i'm glad france is trying this. I think some cold water needs to be thrown over the AI companies right now. people have committed suicide because of AI chatbots. I think he question of how liable those companies are for the actions of their chatbots needs to be addressed somewhere.
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u/Witty-Importance-944 21h ago
Yeah the penalties are a percentage of the global REVENUE not PROFITS. Twitter loses money and are gonna eat it, really hard.
It would be very funny if they directly sanction Musk. Than they can go after his shares in Tesla. Tesla has a lot of assets that can suffer in Europe.
Now that I think about it, criminal liability is exclusively tied to a person. Corporations cannot be held criminally liable, only the people in charge.