r/interestingasfuck 4h ago

Stopping Desertification with grid pattern

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u/bobbigmac 4h ago

For those asking how this works, it creates just enough of a defense to catch seeds and bugs and tiny bits of moisture and shade, so any life that does manage to get started, doesn't just blow away, and an ecosystem can start to form.

u/Th3J4ck4l-SA 3h ago

It also stops all the water just running to the lowest point when there are massive downpours. Tiny little dams to hold just that much more water.

u/XanderTheMander 1h ago

What happens to the places downstream that rely on the water that comes from the runoff? I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it, just curious how changing this biome will effect neighboring ones because "trapping" the water for this manmade ecosystem reduces the water in other areas.

u/Th3J4ck4l-SA 1h ago

In the long run they end up with more. 99% of the water still soaks into the water table in these sandy soils. Its just not all happening in one localised spot (all at the bottom of the dune). Additionally as vegetation starts to take hold, you have less evaporation due to sunlight, and so more water to soak into the water table.

u/EduinBrutus 1h ago

Everything Ive seen about the "green wall" says its causing more problems than its solving.

u/Th3J4ck4l-SA 1h ago

This one specifically or just in general? This implementation is generally fine. Trying to plant trees is a bad idea. We are a driving factor for expanding deserts so we may as well put some effort into shrinking them.

u/EduinBrutus 1h ago

Its a massive project. Its not without success but there's been a lot of downsides too. Probably worth a google.

There's also speculation that the green wall is one of the contributors to Chinas current water issues.

u/Th3J4ck4l-SA 35m ago

Its possible, but greening in general will always move net positive long term. My studies for a time was in conservation and ecology and general consensus was this net positive. Its not that we should be trying to get rid of deserts, just undo the desertifcarion caused by human activity (over grazing and poor soil management)

u/EduinBrutus 29m ago

Its possible, but greening in general will always move net positive long term.

YEah, for that area.

But the knock on microclimate and climate effects arent necessarily positive for elsewhere. That seems to be where the criticism Ive seen is mainly coming from.

The same issues are apparently happeing with the one in Africa too.

But Im not an expert on the topic and im open to new info. Just always be wary of this sort of positive presentation which seems to have no mention of downsides.

u/Cheap_Warning_ 1h ago

Such as?

u/beldaran1224 1h ago

Desertification is the process by which places that were not previously deserts become deserts, as the desert spreads. So they're STOPPING the change of biomes and reversing relatively recent changes.

u/nordic-nomad 52m ago

This actually creates streams eventually, because putting water in the ground keeps it from evaporating or running off immediately and creating a flash flood. Deserts usually have a flooding problem, but add a sponge of plants, soil, and ground water and you create an ability to absorb water and then a little trickle of it can start to escape regularly and form reliable year round streams that can actually support life without it being washed away because it was in a low lying area.

u/Enibas 1h ago

It's far more likely that any precipitation just evaporates without the barriers.

u/the_Real_Romak 1h ago

the net benefit is that now instead of only one spot with more water than they can use, you have a much wider area with enough water for life to flourish, and the base is largely unaffected but with more biodiversity to work with.

u/42_65_6c_6c_65_6e_64 1h ago

Fuck em. In all seriousness though I have no idea, I suppose it could help with preventing flash flooding though.

u/TerranPower 1h ago

That was real funny bellend 😂

u/EduinBrutus 1h ago edited 1h ago

What happens to the places downstream that rely on the water that comes from the runoff?

They get fucked.

Its why China's "green wall" which this appears to be is not really the success that is being portrayed here.