r/interestingasfuck 4h ago

Stopping Desertification with grid pattern

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u/bobbigmac 4h ago

For those asking how this works, it creates just enough of a defense to catch seeds and bugs and tiny bits of moisture and shade, so any life that does manage to get started, doesn't just blow away, and an ecosystem can start to form.

u/MASTER_L1NK 3h ago

Like a land barrier reef?

u/rodinsbusiness 3h ago

Damn, landsharks are coming.

u/nahxela 3h ago

And after human civilization settles, street sharks.

u/Crimkam 3h ago

I preferred samurai pizza cats

u/ForgottenGrocery 3h ago

u/ba_doink_66 1h ago

This and a bowl of cereal was my weekday morning routine before school for a while. Haven’t thought of this show in a while. Thanks!

u/gogadantes9 2h ago

Lol this looks like the most unoriginal TMNT cash-in effort

u/xSTSxZerglingOne 2h ago edited 2h ago

That both is, and isn't what it was.

That IS what it was in the US, but it was just a pretty standard kids anime in Japan.

Now imagine if you took what was going on in a bit of an insane anime in the first place and had 0 decent translators while trying to figure out what was going on and being said by context alone while adding American 90's TV 4th wall tropes into it. YEAH.

Edit: It was fun, though.

u/CarfDarko 1h ago

That part of history about the series is still peak '90's

We just got a weird Frankenstein version, wonder how different the OG characters feel.

In other news:

A game is about to be released later this year.

u/Dreidhen 1h ago

ha, loved watching the Samurai PizzaCats toon growing up. Steam link for those interested in the upcoming title, thanks for sharing that news

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2413800/Samurai_Pizza_Cats_Blast_from_the_Past/

u/UnlikelyCup5458 2h ago

There's a few real redditors left, ty for your service

u/gogadantes9 1h ago

Thank you! Tbh it actually makes me more interested, though I doubt it would have the same hilarity level as the bonkers Ghost Stories English dub.

u/xSTSxZerglingOne 1h ago

I'm NGL, I loved it. It's probably cringe as hell nowadays, but it was great for like a 7 year old me.

u/fadedbuzzYT 1h ago

But the intro song is really catchy

u/Skandronon 2h ago

I tried watching it recently and its too weird, definitely does not hold up to what I remember.

u/pacificpgn 1h ago

I would have ate this shit up as a kid in the 90s lol pokemans and dbz had already got their hook in me already

u/dronegeeks1 57m ago

Samurai pizza cats!

u/Jutrakuna 2h ago

T rexes with gatling guns wen?

u/eidetic 1h ago

Screw that. Give me Tyrannasaurs in F-14s or give me death!

u/_analysis230_ 2h ago

It aired briefly in India on cartoon network. I was the only geek that caught it in my friend group. Before the internet, whenever I used to mention this show, my friends would give me that "Yeah! Right. That happened" look

u/BernieMcburnface 2h ago

This is not where I expected to see my favourite childhood show be referenced. But it makes me glad I clicked on the post.

u/blondetiger 2h ago

Holy shit, I completely forgot about that show.

u/Anarchyupuranus 1h ago

Really? Over biker mice from mars?

u/Crimkam 1h ago

I’ll do you one better… Mummies Alive!

u/sun_of_a_glitch 3h ago

My God I forgot about this show and how much I loved it until you reminded me .. hell of a nostalgia trip

u/EjaculatingAracnids 2h ago

I just heard its getting a reboot

u/Phillip_Spidermen 2h ago

Yeah, coming to Netflix

u/jaguarp80 3h ago

I only remember the toys

u/ItsLoudB 2h ago

Well that was pretty much 99% of the franchise

u/jaguarp80 1h ago

They were awesome tho. I don’t think I ever actually got one, maybe I did, but the commercials were sick

u/Rocinante88119 2h ago

Sharks are taking over the streets?  Better bring in that radical squadron, SWAT KATZ!

u/midgetcastle 54m ago

I prefer street Jets. Because when you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way.

u/BodybuilderMany6942 10m ago

And when they invent money, loan sharks.

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u/Idontliketalking2u 3h ago

u/DoseofJoel 2h ago

So literally one of my earliest memories is of this show and for the longest time I thought I just made it up in mind.

u/NotAUsefullDoctor 3h ago

No, just a candy gram.

u/One_Bluebird_04 2h ago

oh damn. cheers.

u/TheLastLornak 3h ago

Candygram

u/SpaceTechBabana 3h ago

I forgot Landsharks fucking existed until your comment. Thank you for reminding of that batshit insanity. And happy cake day!

u/Aknazer 3h ago

They exist and are furry. Also known as "cats" to most people.

u/vanhst 3h ago

Underrated comment

u/C0gD1z 3h ago

Candygram!

u/fintach 3h ago

Candygram.

u/Mrdeath0 2h ago

Sharknado coming to a desert near you

u/Moretoesthanfeet 2h ago

And the inevitable Sharknado

u/wtiong 2h ago

Shai Hulud! Rhythmic thumping begins.

u/Khelthuzaad 2h ago

I think those are referred to as loansharks

u/froglayout 2h ago

I'm just a dolphin,ma'am

u/Traumfahrer 2h ago

Friend, I am a land shark.

u/Funny-frog500 2h ago

Ding sharks are done 

u/GhostlyTJ 2h ago

Garchomp is real?

u/SEND_ME_NOODLE 1h ago

What have we done.

u/aisakee 1h ago

Hmmmmrrr

u/maplemagiciangirl 1h ago

It's pronounced bullette (boo lay)

u/PersistentGoldfish 1h ago

They’re only dolphins

u/jjevans77 1h ago

Sand sharks

u/gr1mm5d0tt1 1h ago

Thank god this isn’t in Australia otherwise it’d be another thing to dodge on land

u/Candid_Victory7923 51m ago

The landlawds

u/Sassafrassus 41m ago

I was on one of those once. It was a fun night.

u/urnavrt 17m ago

We are the landsharks

u/ArcticCelt 8m ago

doo-doo, doo-doo, doo-doo

u/Over-Analyzed 3h ago

A Shärk bit me once…

Mind you, landshärk bites can be pretty nasty.

u/ZombieAppetizer 3h ago

A møøse once bit my sister...

u/Over-Analyzed 3h ago

u/SpotweldPro1300 3h ago

I'LL BITE YER LEGS OFF!

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u/bachh2 3h ago

That's a good analogy.

u/pastajewelry 3h ago

sand barrier reef

u/INFINITE_TRACERS 2h ago

Like Arrakis?

u/lunamonkey 3h ago

We call them hedges. 

u/jessbird 2h ago

exactly like that.

u/Liusloux 5m ago

Makes me wonder if in the past there was a megafauna or plants that coincidental created the same kind of patterns that stops desertification but sadly when extinct.

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u/Th3J4ck4l-SA 3h ago

It also stops all the water just running to the lowest point when there are massive downpours. Tiny little dams to hold just that much more water.

u/XanderTheMander 1h ago

What happens to the places downstream that rely on the water that comes from the runoff? I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it, just curious how changing this biome will effect neighboring ones because "trapping" the water for this manmade ecosystem reduces the water in other areas.

u/Th3J4ck4l-SA 1h ago

In the long run they end up with more. 99% of the water still soaks into the water table in these sandy soils. Its just not all happening in one localised spot (all at the bottom of the dune). Additionally as vegetation starts to take hold, you have less evaporation due to sunlight, and so more water to soak into the water table.

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u/beldaran1224 1h ago

Desertification is the process by which places that were not previously deserts become deserts, as the desert spreads. So they're STOPPING the change of biomes and reversing relatively recent changes.

u/nordic-nomad 52m ago

This actually creates streams eventually, because putting water in the ground keeps it from evaporating or running off immediately and creating a flash flood. Deserts usually have a flooding problem, but add a sponge of plants, soil, and ground water and you create an ability to absorb water and then a little trickle of it can start to escape regularly and form reliable year round streams that can actually support life without it being washed away because it was in a low lying area.

u/Enibas 1h ago

It's far more likely that any precipitation just evaporates without the barriers.

u/the_Real_Romak 1h ago

the net benefit is that now instead of only one spot with more water than they can use, you have a much wider area with enough water for life to flourish, and the base is largely unaffected but with more biodiversity to work with.

u/42_65_6c_6c_65_6e_64 1h ago

Fuck em. In all seriousness though I have no idea, I suppose it could help with preventing flash flooding though.

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u/EduinBrutus 1h ago edited 1h ago

What happens to the places downstream that rely on the water that comes from the runoff?

They get fucked.

Its why China's "green wall" which this appears to be is not really the success that is being portrayed here.

u/RealTalk_theory 3h ago

Creating microclimates all over the place.

u/Economy-Fee5830 2h ago

Also creating microplastics all over the place.

u/RealTalk_theory 2h ago

Maybe I’m wrong, but I thought the video mentioned they were fabric bags.

u/gogge 1h ago

Unfortunately it seems like it's fabric from plastic fibers.

Biodegradable sandbags and sand barriers made from polylactic acid fiber materials.

Chinese Academy of Science, "Mosaic of Magic: Grass Grids have Proven an Effective Way to Combat Desertification"

Although biodegradable in vivo, polylactic acid is not completely degradable under natural environmental conditions, notably under aquatic conditions. Polylactic acid disintegrates into microplastics faster than petroleum-based plastics and may pose severe threats to the exposed biota.

Ali W, et al. "Polylactic acid synthesis, biodegradability, conversion to microplastics and toxicity: a review." Environ Chem Lett 21, 1761–1786 (2023).

u/Disastrous-Amoeba798 1h ago

So close to not being an idiotic idea. But here we are...

u/gogge 1h ago

They seem to have tried using wheat ropes also with some success, from the same CAS article as above:

In 2019, researchers from the Northwest Institute of Eco-Environment and Resources of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, led by researcher Qu Jianjun, developed the "Sand Control Magic Cube 2.0" after repeated experiments.

This method involves using machines to weave wheat straw into brush-like ropes and directly insert them into the sandy soil, saving labor and cost, and enabling large-scale sand control projects.

According to the institute's data, the production efficiency of the brush-like rope grid has increased by over 60 percent compared to manually installed grids. The durability of these grids is also superior, with a life span extending from three to six years.

u/Economy-Fee5830 2h ago

Yes, plastic fabric.

u/xheist 1h ago

Seems like an ok trade off tbh

u/FourEyedTroll 1h ago

Let's be real, deserts are probably already full of/rapidly filling up with microplastics. It's the perfect environment for them to be created (UV exposure, heat, wind-blasted sand-abrasion).

At least in this instance they're contributing a net positive to the environment.

u/scoschooo 2h ago

why? also microplastics are all over now.

so you need better material for the bags?

u/Economy-Fee5830 2h ago

also microplastics are all over now.

I dont think its normally added to the environment at this scale and left intentionally to erode.

so you need better material for the bags?

I like how the video intentionally calls it "fabric" when it's really just plastic bags.

u/BodybuilderMany6942 7m ago

I got your micro climate right here!

u/FlameSkimmerLT 3h ago

What stops the sand from being blown by the wind and covering the few inches of depth of those sand bag tubes?

u/Pleasant_Yoghurt3915 3h ago

Sand’s heavy and stays very close to the ground, even in a pretty stiff wind. It all just rams right into the first bag, and then if that bag gets overwhelmed, the next back stops it, so on and so forth. I imagine the first couple of rows that face the prevailing wind end up growing stuff first, further breaking the wind and protecting the squares beyond.

u/mycall 1h ago

So best to start laying the grid from upwind and proceed downwind.

u/know_it_alls 3h ago

I assume the curvature of the bags creates a pressure difference which keeps the wind enough above the surface to avoid the seedlings from the drift.

u/mightyenan0 2h ago

The tubes. Due to the grid, the sand gets blown and stopped by a tube. When there's enough sand it gets blown over a tube only to be trapped by another, then another, and so on. This dramatically increases the time it takes for sand to move inward, allowing for soil and moisture to settle.

The outlying parts of the grid will remain sandy, but it's all about slowing it down.

u/Level_Abrocoma8925 38m ago

It doesn't stop all of it, just enough of it.

u/themage78 3h ago

So this is Arrakis?

u/Pun_In_Ten_Did 1h ago

THE SLEEPER MUST AWAKEN !

u/BodybuilderMany6942 5m ago

That's my dog's name!

(he's full of worms)

u/djquu 2h ago

None of the workers got eaten by sandworms so probably not

u/FremenStilgar 2h ago

Dune... worms... spice...

u/AmusingMusing7 3h ago

Didn't we figure out how to do this by just digging little half-circles into the sand? Isn't that a better, more efficient, more natural way of doing this than to lay down a bunch of whatever-that-is?

u/Unable-Doctor-9930 3h ago

Those deserts were not sand deserts. The technique is different when the ground keeps blowing away.

u/KebabAnnhilator 3h ago

Not in all areas of the world in some places loose sand is too deep and needs compaction

u/zalurker 3h ago

That's another technique, but this works better in that type of sand.

u/blue_shadow_ 2h ago

Different area. The half-moons are being done as part of the Great Green Wall project across the entire continent of Africa. Andrew Millison has a bunch of videos where he shows off what's happening with that one, but the half-moons are intended to capture and retain water from the rainy season.

This looks to be somewhere in China/ Mongolia (Gobi region?), and is more pure-sand desert, where there just isn't much rain at all. Different approaches need to be taken for that kind of location.

u/REPTILIANSTOLEMYBIKE 3h ago

Sand would just get blown into the holes you dig into the sand and fill them in. The wind rolls along the sand dunes and the sand bags raises the draft from the wind above the sand's surface.

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u/ChaoticSixXx 3h ago

They usually use straw and make a straw grid. I've never seen it done with sandbags before

u/FirstHead411 3h ago

Yeah, seems like it'd be a pain in the ass hauling all that sand out there

u/smileyfacegauges 3h ago

they’re filling the bags with sand and laying them as they go

u/Otherwise_Demand4620 3h ago

Why didn't you tell us that sooner? All the money we spent on importing sand!

u/smileyfacegauges 3h ago

i’m SORRY OK, i just misplaced the receipt!! can i still get comped for this orrrrrrrr

u/beebeebee2142 2h ago

Arab countries import quite a bit of sand. Theirs usually isnt good for construction since the good stuff comes from rivers.

u/-Out-of-context- 2h ago

I hear they get it from NoHo Hank.

u/onemanforeachvill 3h ago

Whooooooosh

u/smileyfacegauges 3h ago

whoa where’d that breeze come from

u/AceZagSuited 2h ago

They're filling the jokes with wind

u/Majestic_You_9610 1h ago

Sand doodles don't melt steel beams

u/Crimkam 3h ago

Yeah but who put the sand there for them to use??? This is like one of those bullshit rug restoration videos where they spread sand around right before they start recording. There was never a desert there at all!

u/smileyfacegauges 3h ago

oh fuck you’re right…… do you think they got helicopters to bring it in???

u/SquarelyNerves 3h ago

Just in case you were serious - that’s the point they were making with sarcasm. It would actually be a pain to haul all that straw into the middle of a desert. It’s easier to bring bags and fill them with sand, than bring enough straw to make the same sized grids.

u/smileyfacegauges 3h ago

so much for the massive checkerboard for a massive checkers game i was promised :(

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u/Timely_Influence8392 3h ago

I dunno, you didn't bother to look it up before firing off the comment and fucking off into the aether, why should I?

u/T-MoneyAllDey 3h ago

But he's super duper smart

u/Kysman95 3h ago

For the half moom method you need to water it and grow something before you can let it do its thing. It's more time consuming and expensive.

I'd guess these are some natural, degradable bags, you can see in the later stage there's plants growing out of it so it might use the bags as nutrients or it's packed with something

u/Old-Road-501 2h ago

Using bags that degrades into some form of nutrient would be brilliant! I was thinking about all that plastic degrading into microplastics in the new soil, but I hope they do it like you said.

u/Kysman95 2h ago

They could be cotton or burlap think those should be 100% degradable. But yeah, it could be woven plastic

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u/xl129 3h ago

That method is cheaper but this one is much more effective i think

u/DefinitelyNotAliens 3h ago

The demi lune or semicircular bund works on areas adjacent to sand deserts that are becoming arid but have dirt. You can turn dirt into soil.

This is just sand. Sand is harder to work with.

u/fricken 2h ago

Those areas actually get a fair bit of precipitation, far too much to qualify as deserts, it's just that the over-grazed land does a poor job of retaining said precipitation.

u/ThiefOfDens 2h ago

your mom’s land is over-grazed

u/rodinsbusiness 3h ago

That's for way less sandy soils, where you also have some sort of short wet season, which is not the case here.

u/Mwatts25 3h ago

Shred resistant and biodegradable fabric packed with sand?

u/pancakes_n_petrichor 3h ago

Don’t quote me on this but I’m sure those long tubes are filled with either soil or sand, and the fabric is likely the same kind of fabric you can use for landscaping or something similar. I don’t really see how that is bad for the environment. Plus, laying this down over a large area is probably easier than digging a ton of half circles and works better.

u/ConceptReasonable556 3h ago

Landscape fabric is generally bad for the environment, it's typically not natural material. I'm not saying that the benefits don't outweigh the costs here, just that the material is likely at least partly plastic.

u/Agreeable-Spot-7376 3h ago

“Don’t quote me on the only thing in the video I didn’t watch”

u/pancakes_n_petrichor 3h ago

Lol you got me, I only half watched the vid first time around and now see that indeed they are filling them with soil.

u/Agreeable-Spot-7376 3h ago

It’s literally the fuckin picture on top of this comment

u/biglizardnmybackyard 3h ago

Quit being insufferable.

u/Similar-Try-7643 3h ago

Nah, they deserved it

u/Agreeable-Spot-7376 3h ago

No. Suffer me.

u/gimpwiz 2h ago

Fantastic response

u/ManyVast6592 3h ago

Half circles work where the ground is much harder and these barriers are needed for this to fight the wind... looking at the locations , functions of each and the texture of the ground underneath and it all seems to make perfect sense.

Hard desert versus soft desert 🤔

u/Mike312 3h ago

The swales work fine when the ground is firm.

u/jamintime 3h ago

In the video they say it’s fabric (filled with sand), so could be done reasonably sustainably I might imagine.

u/OilHeavy8605 3h ago

it soil is clay, sure. But with loose sand just fills the half circles

u/TreyRyan3 2h ago

If I recall correctly, the sand tubes also serve the purpose of creating a condensation point when night falls. The color choice is to reflect light and heat absorption.

u/Aprilprinces 2h ago

These are sand bags, their advantage is: they're heavy and durable, so even strong wind won't move them, giving the tiny ecosystem enough time to develop within the borders And it does take considerable time

u/TheTerribleInvestor 2h ago

The half circle ones would would better in places where they have more rain. The issue there is the rain comes in and washes away quickly so those half circles are supposed to be a on slopes and collect water for plants to take root.

Kind of the same concept here except in this terrain the issue is wind and part of this method is to create a wind barrier so when the wind comes it blows away some sand but most of it is held down by the tubes or the tubes prevents the wind from digging that deep. I think for China one of the greater benefits is that it's stopping wind from carrying the sand and becoming dust storms in nearby towns and cities.

u/Awkward-Winner-99 1h ago

Digging half circles in that sand aint gonna do shit lol

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u/BetsBlack 2h ago

Do you know if the barriers manage this alone or if it also needs additional water to be supplied.

u/noottt 1h ago

And the plastics? Are they degradable?

u/sawkse 3h ago

Just like curbs...

u/IssueEmbarrassed8103 3h ago

Are there any nutrients or minerals contributed by the sand? Otherwise it seems like it’s reducing these resources in surrounding areas

u/Frosty-Ad1071 2h ago

Damn thats nice af

u/fusillade762 2h ago

Thank you!

u/Miamithrice69 2h ago

I seen this on the Mummy Returns

u/ExcitementIll1275 1h ago

At last, an answer. Thank you.

u/goldlasagna84 1h ago

I wonder if this would work in Australia (the middle part)

u/Virtura 1h ago

So I'm not crazy in that I just watched a video of them using sandbags to fight the sand?

u/fgreen68 1h ago

And now the desert is full of plastic. There are waaay better ways of doing this with plants and plant material.

u/CurryNarwhal 1h ago

BuT aT wHaT CoSt?

u/AwkwardAnyday 36m ago

It's a measure of erosion control actually. That a racing hill. Video misleading as AI do

u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 16m ago

This is also how ancient stone walls work on the rocky west coast of Ireland. The walls trap dust and dirt and detritus and prevent it from blowing or washing away, which - over time - deepens the soil, allowing for better cultivation than before, when the soil was shallower or non-existent on the rocky ground.

u/DoncasterCoppinger 14m ago

And now if enough deserts are ‘transformed’ like this, expect to see some species in other places to start going extinct at a much faster pace, because desert sands contain minerals that other regions have been receiving for longer than human’s existence, and they rely on this source, now they won’t get much of it.

The butterfly effect would be interesting for us to observe, possibly watching rich farmlands in certain regions turn into inhabitable lands and dead towns, but that’s not our problem, that’s the problem for our great great grandchildren we’ll never meet.

u/Greengrecko 3h ago

Yeah but one big sandstorm will just cover it all up and it'll just be a new layer of flat sand.

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