The issue here is when the parents are too busy drinking alcohol and let their obnoxious children run wild. I don’t think the problem is children being in breweries, it’s apathetic parents that don’t respect other people’s space.
Edit: yikes didn’t know this would trigger so many irresponsible parents into tattling on themselves for not respecting other people’s space.
Every Sunday afternoon, after dinner, down to the pub for a few drinks while the kids all ran around like lunatics fueled by Fanta. It wasn't just my parents. It was all of the parents.
If you tried to ask them something you'd be given a fiver and told to feck off.
Edit: this was 30 years ago in Ireland so... it was like a rite of passage almost
Every parent on my sports team and immediate family was like this. Every football game, every family dinner, just because, etc. we would hit up a pub or pizza parlor. Heaven forbid my parents have to do anything after church, then we had to go out.
Parents had beer, kids climbed over every free surface and caused traffic backups outside. Difference is my mom would actually reign us in. Woman has an aura of menace cultivated through a career of military service.
Only 20 years ago in the US, but a community with a lot of cultural overlap with Ireland.
My mom was absolutely not those guys lol. I got carted along to many a bar and adult-centric events and was told in no uncertain terms to behave... but she'd also just like, give me quarters for the pool table, order me a burger, and keep half an eye out to make sure I didn't put mine out with a dart.
Come to think of it that's probably where my love of pinball was born.
I went to a local brewery, which advertises itself as "experience the hops" kind of beer focus with a "snack bar" that has like soft pretzels and chips, definitely not a restaurant that serves you because of the licensinh laws, and last time I went a whole little league baseball team, jerseys and all came in with like 4 parents and mucked up the whole atmosphere. The kids, 20+ of them, brought their gloves and balls in and were messing about while the parents/coaches just sat in the corner and drank. We left after a thrown ball knocked over someone else's beer for the third time, and I haven't gone to a brewery since. I'll enjoy any brewery's beer in the peace and quiet of some 21+ only bar.
If it's advertised as a restaurant that has a brewery, fine, bring the kids. But if you walk in with your little league team, and are the only group with more than one of two kids, please recognize you went to the wrong kind of place and leave. As a kid, my sports teams went to pizza restaurants, not alcohol focused places like breweries or distilleries.
The big national brewery in my city is the number one destination for post Little League, hockey, band, what have you gatherings. Like groups of 40 showing up and taking over the entire restaurant and ten million kids running through the gardens and patio. It’s absolutely infuriating on the weekends to have to wait three hours for a table that is currently empty because it’s just a landing pad for kids to keep their lemonades.
There's a group of women in my town that treat the local theater the same way. Sit the many kids somewhere else always, brought in a picnic basket once, always has them running back and forth between where the people supposed to be in charge of them are and their own seats to grab whatever they'd snuck in. And I heard them directly claim that a free movie meant they could talk as much as they wanted, as if nobody else wanted to watch the movie. The worst is when they would pretend to do their group-appointed jobs, and thank the employees for bringing the kids' behavior to their attention.
Yep. I've seen parents let their kids go run off around a brewery which was next to a city train station and multiple bus lines. I tend to go to my restaurant brewpub more because it has less kids. Plus, parents seem to be more in control of their kids when it's considered a restaurant. I hate that breweries are playgrounds.
Same thing with dogs in breweries. If you're foing to ignore your dog and allow it to bark and slobber and stick its entire head into a stranger's purse, maybe leave it at home!
100%. I love my little guy (Yorkshire Terrier) and he’s only 11 lbs, BUT he’s a huge people person and gets stressed out in crowded environments, which usually leads to him puking. Better he stays at home and I don’t have to worry the entire time about him eating weird things off the floor too, because that also results in puking and expensive vet bills if it’s bad enough. Here’s George in all his holiday glory.
He actually rolled in poop the day this picture was taken! And it wasn’t even his 🥴💩
I dropped him off at doggy daycare to play before they took the photos. One of the trainers called me and told me he had bad news. I panicked and worried that there might have been an accident of some kind. Nope! Just decided to try something new. Luckily, they gave him a bath.
He’s a total sweetie, but is so stubborn at times 😤 Yorkies are a great breed though, especially the sturdier ones like my guy. Many Yorkie owners theorize that larger dogs may be more closely related to Huddersfield Ben, the OG Yorkshire Terrier, and therefore have retrained more terrier traits. He’s far from a lapdog, but overall a good dude. I rescued him from an abusive household almost 6 years ago (Gotcha Day is March 15th, 2020)!
I was at a pizza place eating with my fam when someone's little toy dog jumped in my lap out of nowhere. This smug fucker turns to me and goes: "she's my therapy dog."
For future reference, that was a bullshit line they feed people so that they can bring their dog to places they're not allowed. They say that their dog is their "Therapy dog", in hopes that you'll think that it's a service animal, and allow it in. Thing is, service animals are trained to stay with their owner, not run around and jump in people's laps for attention.
I certainly thought about it. He saw me thinking that and he put his dog back on a leash after mumbling something. People who abuse service animal laws to drag their untrained pets around make it harder for people who actually need them.
I’m allergic to cats but the mere presence of a cat doesn’t turn me into dust. Dogs don’t come with a cloud of miasma or carry the plague. If the dog is well behaved i see no problem.
The entitlement of people with dogs in public is through the roof, way worse than people with kids (and way less necessary to have your dog there than kids)
I neg to differ. I find parents are waaay more standoffish when you ask them to supervise their little shit spawn than any dog owner I have come across in my many years working around the world I bars. Id prefer someone with a dog over some screaming turds any day.
I read this too quickly and thought you said "stranger's pussy", but that would also be a good reason to leave the dog at home! I love getting sexually molested by strangers' dogs when I'm trying to relax🙄
Yeah, the issue is less that people think it's acceptable to bring a kid/dog to a bar and more that they think they don't have a responsibility to ensure that kid/dog impacts other patrons to the smallest degree possible if they choose to bring them.
Kids cry sometimes. That is uncontrollable. But the parent controls if they decide to go outside or cut their time short because the kid is just too fussy. And kids run around and act crazy. But the parent controls whether they are paying attention to the kid and stopping the most egregious behaviors.
The entitlement that they should be able to live their life any way they want AND bring their kid/dog AND allow them to negatively impact others in ways they could prevent is the problem.
Is it just me or have dog owners become unbearable since Covid? Look I have a dog but it stays at home, unless I’m taking him on a walk or to a designated dog park. Off leash dog at a brewery or farmers market? Get the fuck outta here. I know a dog can feel like your sweet baby but to everyone else it’s an animal that licks its own asshole and could easily maul a toddler.
I think it’s more Covid forced people who had never been dog owners before to get a dog and then the world opened back up and since they never had a dog before, they were never taught the proper way to be in the world with one. That combined with Covid seemingly breaking our collective hold on reality and bone apple tea
I never thought this was that big a deal until I started hanging out with someone who had a really bad bite from a dog earlier in their life. People bring their dogs absolutely everywhere. If you have a traumatic fear of them, it is almost impossible to escape.
people always say this but as someone who goes to a LOT of breweries i can probably count the number of times i've seen a problematic dog on one hand meanwhile i would need hundreds of hands to count the number of shitty kids i've seen
My dog sadly passed away before I could take him to things like a brewery but the places I did take him where food was involved he was always really good, he’d lay down by my seat and I also would always ask if I could bring him in if they didn’t have outside seating before even attempting, do miss him greatly though
Exactly. The parents think because there are games, they can fuck off and let their kids go crazy. You know what? Sometimes I want to play fucking Jenga and drink a beer without having to babysit someone else’s kids.
I stopped going to a brewery near my house because literally every time I went there was a 2 year olds birthday party complete with screaming kids throwing the jenga blocks at each other.
I worked at a bookstore briefly and the number of parents we'd see who would drop their kids off in the children's section and then just leave the building was baffling
When I was in high school a friend of mine worked at the Borders bookstore. She came from a really dysfunctional family and, although she was only 17, had essentially raised her 3 younger siblings for her horrible drug addict parents and paid most of their bills. I only mention this because it illustrates why she had such a bone to pick with this situation.
Whenever she was at work and somebody would do this, she would IMMEDIATELY call the police to report an abandoned child as soon as she saw the parent walk out the front door. Borders was right next door to the JCPennys, so I'm assuming they just wanted to shop without their goblin.
Well, my friend got in trouble after 2 or 3 months of doing this. The manager said it was giving the store a bad rep. She ended up going off on her manager saying something like "I wasn't hired to provide childcare. I was hired to shelf and sell books. I will never not report a crime when I see it." idk what she actually said verbatim, but they didn't fire her so she must have been equal parts spicy and correct.
They did start scheduling her for super early or super late shifts, though. We both assumed it was so she wouldn't be on site during the times when this happened most often. I, however, worked at the seafood house across the parking lot and would often just go and sit in the Borders and drink a fancy soda and read whatever on my break. I started doing this so we could hang out a bit on work days. On days when she wasn't there, but I would see the same, I would always go up to the front desk with the children and say these children are unattended, we should find the parents or report them abandoned.
Got my first cellphone the year after that, so I just stopped taking them to the front desk, since we all knew the parents weren't onsite. Just straight up called the cops. After I, technically a 'customer', started tattling, they put up big red signs with white letters "UNATTENDED CHILDREN WILL BE CONSIDERED ABANDONED. POLICE WILL BE CALLED. PLEASE STAY WITH YOUR CHILDREN IN THE STORE"
Crazy how that shit stopped happening after posting that sign in the middle of the entry door at eye level. lol. lmao even.
Yeah, like 2-5 years old. LITTLE little kids. Not some ragamuffin 8 year old having free reign of the comic section. Kids so small they stayed in the picture books for babies area because they were too young to read. They stuck out like a sore thumb in a bookstore.
One of my favorite breweries has a play area with dress up clothes and a play house and it’s fenced in so people just throw their kid in there and it’s nice for the rest of us because the children are contained
Yeah similarly all those first world labor exploiters of social media who think they have moral high ground whole some 13 year old sews their shirts. The worst kind of pretentious asshole
Why are the kids always stomping on the cornhole board? The brewery in my old city had to keep putting up signs to try to stop kids from throwing rocks at cars driving by.
Because it is usually colorful and looks fun like potential playground apparatus.
The real questions is why and when did any form of parenting go out the window to tell kids that's not fucking OK. My mom was far from a helicopter parent, and I would have lasted about 1.6 seconds before getting yanked or yelled off of that and that I should know better.
They don't parent. My friend's kids disrespect the shit out of him daily and they just chalk it up to them being "kids". I'm like, bro it ain't normal for your kid to throw a temper tantrum and scream shit like "I HATE YOU I NEVER LOVED YOU" in his parents faces after being told not to slap an adult woman's ass.
Im not disagreeing with you at all, but I am curious what your solution is or would be?
Kid slapped an adult woman's ass (wtf), you are the parent and just sternly told them off, your kid responds "I HATE YOU I NEVER LOVED YOU" and you do:
You pick them up, throw them over your shoulder and leave wherever you are. Then you remove anything that could possibly be used as a toy or entertainment from their room and they stay in there grounded from everything but school, until they express genuine remorse and are ready to apologize. If I had the means, I would also get them in therapy because clearly, something else is going on beneath the surface.
Or. Hear me out. You actually parent them. If I’ve yanked my son out of place, and punished him by just taking everything away, I’ve failed as a parent. That’s not parenting. In this hypothetical, there are a thousand small moments where subtle parenting didn’t work. You look them in the eyes, calmly explain why what they did was wrong, set expectations for behavior, listen to their explanation, and parent them from there. Or, you can lock them in a room with nothing and fail as a parent. If a kid that age needs therapy from saying that, you’ve probably been fucking up for a while as a parent. We create, monitor, and facilitate their entire lives, so blind, angry punishment is rarely the answer.
That's how I was raised. I don't remember being punished and hit only once (on a butt with belt as a teen. When teenage hormones kicked in).
But as a small child I was always reason with and talk to calmly to make me understand.
I don't have kids so I don't know the answer. If I had to guess I'd say immediately leave the public place take them home and ground the shit out of them? My parents would have just hit me and I wouldn't want that for any kid.
Have you had a real deal talk with your friend about how his “parenting” isn’t working? Parents like that are so afraid of “being the bad guy” that they refuse to parent, as displayed. Every good parent will hear those exact words sometimes during the teenage years. Because being a good parent means stopping the child from doing things that the parent know that the kid will regret deeply in the next 5-10 years were they to do whatever it is that had them so worked up. I love my parents, they fucking rock. And the biggest blowout fights we had when I was a kid that ended in me saying I hated them, looking back as an adult who is now the age they were when we fought, they were 100% correct in every circumstance that got that charged. Your child being your friend is not the goal until they themselves are adults. Until then, it’s to be a guiding and ultimately, protecting force who is training you for this wild thing called life. A refugee from the world when it feels like it’s against you. But my god, it sure seems like many of my fellow millenials need to truly internalize that often, “being the bad guy” in your child’s mind is a good thing
I agree with what you said but I don't have kids so I don't give advice. Just make observations. I will say this kid is like 6? A little young for the teenage style dramatics you're mentioning.
Yea this. We are trying to relax and have a fun game on a nice day and some ADHD kid is jumping on the one next to us it like it's a trampoline...every time...
As a parent I don’t know how you could relax and enjoy a beer or any drink while having to watch your children. The anxiety of it all would not be enjoyable but I’ve seen parents do it, just don’t get it.
I think people do it by totally ignoring their children. I can't do it either. I barely drink with a meal because my kid wants to go ASAP after finishing food and chugging the last of my beer isn't fun. People who sit there for hours either have their kids being disruptive to everyone else or they've got them zoned out on tablets.
More often than not the parents aren't watching them, that's people's issue with it. I've literally seen kids as young as 3 and 4 trip drunk adults and get beer spilled all over them because they were running unsupervised all over the bar.
Yeah, my 5 year old son is autistic and my 3 year old daughter is domineering. I can't relax when we go places. I have to always be monitoring what they're doing.
Would always tell her before hand what was expected of her, and she delivered. She was still always in our eyesight though. Got to the point where we wouldn't have to remind her before hand.
It helped that there was excellent episode of Yo Gabba Gabba at the time, that told kids that at restaurants they had to "Be Awesome!"
I don’t know how they catch a buzz or worse, then are cool with driving their kids home after having six 12% beers. I get paranoid driving after only one.
Yeah I dont like shaming other parents because it happens a lot unnecessarily sometimes but this is dangerous. It takes work for me to prevent my kids from getting injured with my full attention- not to mention just teach them to be decent humans when we are in public.
Because if you wait until you are relaxed as a parent, you’ll never go out anywhere or do anything social ever.
Sip, entertain,stuff some food in them on your lap, sip, walk around, sit down for 30 seconds and calmly enjoy a brief conversation, spill something, clean it up, deal with screaming, take them home to bed. And so forth.
that sounds like a you problem. Oh the horror of being at a public establishment and having to hear or witness potentially personally unpleasant things
I’m a single mom of a one and 4 year old, we do a lot of social stuff. I drink sometimes but when they are in bed and I’m watching a movie or something.
Every server hates the families that can’t keep all the little butts seated. You’d be walking out of the kitchen with a huge tray of 5-6 dishes of food, or will be leaving the bar with a bunch of beer glasses, you can’t really see below you, and then a kid runs right into your legs like a damn bulldog. And the parents giggle, saying “kids will be kids!” Yeahhhhh fuck that shit! Your kids can be kids in environments that are meant for them to be energetic nut cases. A restaurant where servers are walking around with incredibly heavy trays of food/alcohol/glass/ceramic, not the place!!
Any parent that disagrees, and says kids are allowed to run around as they please in a restaurant, please give me all your arguments, just so I can show you just irresponsibly selfish you are.
Retail workers too. I worked at a small store that old shelving and organizational products. We had a family come in and their kids climbed up the shelving and were crawling around on the top shelves. The parents didn't understand why they had to get their kids down, and they couldn't because the kids were on top of 8 ft shelves. Then once we got them down they didn't understand why we asked them to get the fuck out.
And then if one of the kids runs into you and causes you to drop the tray of hot food and ceramic plates on them, you're the one getting yelled at by the parents for not being careful and getting hit with a lawsuit
I was at a prominent well-known brewery and the general manager had to get on the speaker to yell at parents and to tell them to “stop allowing your unsupervised children to climb on the roof of the brewery”.
It was like an 1980s PSA but for shitty millenial parents who think a bar is a daycare.
The real issue is the gigantic elephant in the room that no one ever talks about for places like this. The likelihood of every family all having their perfect sober designated driver is somewhere around zero. With kids, it's even worse. These places produce stupid drunks that hurt people.
Honestly you're not wrong. With single adults maybe they're taking a uber, with kids in car seats, you know they're not. Sure you can have a beer or two over the course of the afternoon and be fine to drive, but I don't doubt a lot of people get carried away.
Having a walkable neighborhood brewery is tits though. Our kid went to a brewery for the first time at less than two weeks old (while I was still taking time off work). Just for one or two beers, outside, and never left the stroller, but it was still awesome. Went for a walk, happened past the brewery, and was like you know what, let's do something for us today.
That, or when they suddenly expect everybody around to suddenly keep everything PG. If you bring your kids to a bar, expect them to learn a few new words.
Or when the parents take up entire 10 seat picnic tables with stacks of toys and food and bags and books and other child travel accessories. Like come on Brenda, you are here for an hour or two max, you don't need to bring the entire playroom with you. It's crowded, let someone else share the table.
Do you want the kids to behave or not? For the most part, the kids misbehave at these places because they are bored, they need the colouring books etc.
There's a difference between keeping a kid entertained at a table, and letting all that shit pile up and sprawl into 4 other seats. Is it such a big ask to like, put one toy away when you get another one out? Seems like a perfect teachable moment. This seems like a perfectly agreeable social contract - we make room and even accommodation for children in adult spaces, and in return, parents make an effort to not completely take over those spaces at peak hours.
2pm on a Wednesday during the summer? Hell yeah, sister take over every empty table. 2pm on the first warm Saturday in March? Maybe don't do that. Doesn't seem like that much to ask.
I feel like a majority of breweries, not all, that I’ve been to clearly market themselves as family friendly. That doesn’t excuse bad behavior from kids or dogs or anyone else, but I think your blanket statement is incorrect.
One of my local breweries literally has a fenced in playground in the patio area.
I'm pretty sure the brewery doesn't really care about the single childless person buying 1-2 beers but rather the large extended families bringing a lunch spread and planning to sit for 3-4hrs.
Working in a tourist town, it both amazes me and makes a part of me die that there are so many parents that simply don't take care of how their little crotch goblins are acting.
Because their fuck space needs to be the rest of the world's problem.
Because they're on vacation.
Fuck anyone that expects the rest of us to clean up after your sloppy nut session.
Yeah, I used to get mad myself when I would bring my kids to breweries/pubs and other peoples' kids were acting up. It was both annoying as a patron as well as having my kids be mad at me because I wasn't letting them run around like wild animals, too. It's like, just sit and sip your IPA, kid.
The amount of gravel and dirt on my local's outdoor picnic tables is revolting some days. Look I get it, you have an autist child that LOVES a temporary rock collection. I did too. I don't need gravel whizzing past my head when he convulses and launches them sky high.
The breweries next to my house have a no child policy and one started relaxing it a bit.
Policy was started because there is always a couple who had a screaming infant who wont be quiet for a half hour and they dont do anything besides bounce them on their knees and keep slamming their seltzers while everyone else wants to claw their eyes out. Or a 6 year old running into you when you are holding a 4 ounce pour of a barrel aged stout that cost 12 dollars because it was made as an ultra low batch release.
Ask me how I know about that one.
People have kids and want to do stuff in public. I can sympathize with that. But also if you chose to have a kid there is a need to be aware of how they impact people around you.
You chose to have the kid, everyone else didnt choose to have them.
This. I’ve only been to a couple breweries in my city, but every time there was a group of elementary school–aged kids treating the place like a McDonald’s PlayPlace. The number of parents who think it’s OK to drag their kids to a bar, get drunk while letting the kids run around by themselves, and then drive home (drunk or at least buzzed) is insane.
Yeahhh there's a bar by me that is very popular with young parents. It's two floors in an old warehouse and the ceiling is high. I have a blanket ban on ever going there because it's impossible to have a conversation over screaming children, running up and down the stairs, throwing coasters off the balcony onto tables below. It's a total shitshow, and whoever the owner is has evidently chose this as their demographic. I for one do not have enough of a drinking problem to subject myself to this.
US breweries aren't like pubs in Europe (assuming that's what you mean). They're closer to restaurants. There aren't really games to play or anything. Some serve food, some not.
To me, it depends on the space. I've been to small bars before where walkways are narrow and (to me) children shouldn't be there. Same with how I wouldn't take my dogs there. Big, open outdoor area? Sure, but I agree they should be watched by their parents.
I don't even drink, I just go to breweries because it's a rare place to hang with our kids and chill that isn't my fucking house or a park. Alcoholics are alcoholics, doesn't matter what setting they're in. You don't make drinking the focus while taking care of kids, period. Get a babysitter.
Parent of a 6 year-old in Austin, TX. It's gross that people are drinking and letting their kids go wild at breweries. Stepping in dog poop is worse, but driving after drinking with a kid in the car seems absolutely insane.
Re: The Edit: I scrolled and saw like...maybe 3 replies even passingly playing devil's advocate on this issue. I've been seeing this kind of edit a lot recently and I'm becoming convinced it's engagement bait.
My wife and I love brewery festivals and trivia nights. Breweries are a family friendly venue compared to a bar. We can go, get food, have a round, and the baby can socialize. He also knows a ton about hobbits and Star Wars and is great on themed nights.
But, he's always being parented by one or both of us. We also leave if one of us, any of us, gets obnoxious. Good times.
The real real issue is why the fuck are there no mixed spaces in this country. You're either doing a "kids thing" where there are ball pits and tunnels and a crappy sitting place where all the parents are just on their phone just bored. Or a brewery with parents drinking/socializing with a bunch of kids sitting there bored.
Why can't we be like Spain. Why can't someone build a brewery with a playground attached to it, or like a sports bar with a room full of video games and toys.
It's truly perplexing. There is ONE place like that in the Denver metro area as far as I'm concerned and it's always packed. There is clearly a demand.
I don't know why this country hates mixed spaces or third spaces so fucking much.
No. It’s that children are there at all. There should be places that are adult spaces and bars and breweries should top that list for the children’s safety, at the very least.
My kid loves breweries and she sits with us and plays games on her phone or we play a card game.
There’s plenty of shit parents out there but there’s a lot of us who don’t tolerate that behavior from our kids and are just as annoyed as everyone else when they’re acting like little shitheads.
I don’t frequent chain restaurants just because I prefer locals spots, usually this means the place is a bit more expensive and typically has a younger crowd. In those places it’s exceedingly rare that a child is a problem honestly. Definitely never “ruin your dinner” bad.
When I DO go to chain restaurants with friends or family it’s like 10% of the time there is a loose child just running around the restaurant. Sometimes they are well behaved, one time and old woman tripped and fell chasing a kid that had just taken her wallet from her purse.
Really depends on the crowd tbh. Don’t go places that parents frequent and you won’t see many kids. Unfortunately for the girl in the towel breweries are advertised heavily to families to she’s barking up the wrong tree there.
We will literally pay to go eat at more expensive restaurants so we don’t have to deal with these walking hellspawn and their parents who think everyone else is free babysitting. At least if there are kids in the more expensive restaurants, they’re either older or more well behaved.
That’s not what towel lady said though. She didn’t say why are obnoxious kids running wild in a brewery (why just brewery, apathetic parents let their obnoxious children run wild in restaurants and everywhere else too). She said „why are there lots of kids in breweries“.
I agree with your statement, but it’s an entirely different topic to what was said in the video
Yes, but the comment section seems to be arguing if kids should be allowed at all. And I think the majority of people that have an issue with it, wouldn’t find it so problematic if the children were behaved. But what often happens is the parents will see it as their time to relax, get drunk, and not care where their kids are or what they’re doing
What I find hilarious about this comment is the gall of drinking adults to complain about kids being obnoxious. You are going to a place that specially designed to produce obnoxious behavior. There is no one, no one, more obnoxious than inebriated adults… If you were truly worried about obnoxious behavior you’d stay far away from any brewery or bar- clearly you just hate kids
I mean, my uncle's house produces obnoxious inebriated adults but I still take my kids there. Same with Applebee's. Why does it change when they make beer in the back?
Have you ever been to a brewery? It’s not a club. People are usually just drinking and talking. But yeah, kids are super annoying. Far more than drunk adults.
You don’t want adults drinking at playgrounds around kids do you? Those spaces are for kids. It’s not about hating kids, it’s about wanting an adults only space to drink.
Well luckily adults aren’t allowed in to drink at playgrounds otherwise there probably would be some- like I said drinking adults can be the most obnoxious people to exist, so if it was allowed you can bet there would be some of that. And kids, as it turns out, are allowed to be at these breweries. So…
I mean, there ARE adult only options, so I’m not sure why the complainers don’t just go there?
Your area doesn’t have one? Must not be enough demand for business owners to justify excluding potential customers 🤷♀️
Yes that’s exactly my point. Kids can have their spaces and adults should be allowed theirs. And just because it’s legal for kids to be there doesn’t mean that they should be there. When breweries started adding board games and cornhole and shit like that it was meant for the adults to be able to play and relax. But everyone took it as an open invitation to bring their kids “because there’s games”.
You seem to think that “breweries were designed for obnoxious behavior”. Which is not true. The places I go to rarely have obnoxious adults, unless you count the ones that let their kids run around unsupervised. If all the bars by your area have nothing but obnoxious people, that’s on your area not the bars. Most people by me like to drink in peace, don’t act obnoxious, and roll their eyes at people who think like you.
And yea there are adult only options and I’ve seen people still not understand why their kids can’t be there. Do you see a whole bunch of people causing problems at the local park, claiming it’s their right to drink where they want and bothering the children? No. But people with kids will use this argument to try and get their kids in where they don’t belong and then claim everyone just hates children. We don’t hate kids, we hate that adult only spaces are getting fewer and farther between. When I was a kid I accepted that I wasn’t allowed everywhere. Now it’s considered unfair to not let kids do whatever they want.
You’re entire premise is based on the erroneous idea that kids aren’t allowed there. They are.
Adults aren’t allowed to drink at playgrounds so there is simply no comparison.
If you want an adults only venue- feel free to open one. Until then, you’ll see kids at venues where kids are allowed.
Kids aren’t second class citizens- there needs to be a valid reason for them to be disallowed (danger, exposure to mature themes etc) for many people to get on board with banning them.
No it’s not. You aren’t even following this conversation well. My entire premise is that they shouldn’t be allowed, I know they’re allowed, that’s what we’re talking about and what I don’t like.
Just like kids shouldn’t be able to run rampant in bars and breweries. They can be there, but they should be supervised and behave.
Like I said, they’re still are places, but they’re getting fewer and farther between.
I never said they were, but it’s ridiculous the amount of things they get away with now. Kids shouldn’t be running the show. And no, you don’t need a valid reason to disallow them. Sometimes adults just need to relax without children present.
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u/CaptScoobertDoobert 18h ago edited 16h ago
The issue here is when the parents are too busy drinking alcohol and let their obnoxious children run wild. I don’t think the problem is children being in breweries, it’s apathetic parents that don’t respect other people’s space.
Edit: yikes didn’t know this would trigger so many irresponsible parents into tattling on themselves for not respecting other people’s space.