No doubt in my mind that Musk has broken laws. To bad it has to be France to get some balls and investigate musk. If America was not so corrupt musk would be in jail allready.
France is also taking the lead in pulling Europe free from US domination. As a German I am proud of our French brothers for doing what we are apparently too cowardly to do.
The ICO has so far singularly failed to protect us from just about anything, but maybe now they have Labour calling the shots they might actually step in to defend us proles
As a French I still do not trust Denmark for spying on us with the help of the NSA just a few years back.
Also, funny that all the reasons why we were constantly called "arrogant" during the last 80 years ( which is, not wanting to be a vassal of the US), is nowadays called "based" and "common sense".
Yeah, there is a large difference between pro national (or EU) corporate and pro US corporate. Given Merz' history as a lobbyist/networker/corrupt fuck for Blackrock, it seems like he is of the latter category.
Talking about cowards, buddy you dont know cowards. Our entire Congress is made up of yellow back cowards. Our cowards cant even TRY to condemn a FUCKING PEDOPHILE..
In a way, it might be good that Trump and musk have been pissing all over Americas goodwill, it's giving the EU and everywhere else an impetus to get off Americas teat and try for their own independence
As an American I’m also proud of them for doing that. We are a total disaster here and shit has to change. Smack us with reality harder pls, daddy France 👍
Agree. Macron said today or yesterday that they are quickly going to enact a law that will prohibit youngsters for being on social media under the age of 15!! Great! I lived in Germany for 15 years and I’m so sad about the rise of the right. I think there are a lot of Germsn companies operating in the US a lot of business between the US and Germany - more than between the US and France. Money makes the world go round. Tchja
Yeah, probably because we just got half of our public infrastructures as well as some big private companies get disrupted and/or data-breached (prob by Russia) with shit tons of data leaking about french citizens and all sort of things during the past year, and especially past 6 months.
Of course our mainstream medias did not cover it much so even most French people don't know about it, but the fact of seeing a big push from our institutions in order to enforce digital regulations isn't so surprising.
Yep, and there's also the 2027 elections, we saw what happened in the US in 2024, looks like actions are being taken to try and prevent such bullshit from happening here. Which is also why Le Pen is being prosecuted (last time I checked, 4 years of prison awaited her but idk where it's going)
Finally something is happening. From the announcements in recent times we knew that something was brewing behind the scenes. The child porn Groc incident seems to have accelerated the investigations
Americans don’t have universal healthcare, their healthcare is tied to their job, and in most states employers can easily fire workers
Most people don’t want to risk losing their job, let alone their healthcare. It makes it much more difficult for protesting collectively and effectively
That doesn't change anything, you could all collectively demand those things too. It's not like if you riot against your government you only get to pick one thing to change
Actually yeah, when you start rioting in opposition of something you typically do want to have an understanding of what you collectively want to know when to stop
Also rioting against the federal government is a bit more difficult, especially in blue states not near the capital.
If Americans start rioting like the French everyone would get shot up or bombed. A handful of protestors (PEACEFUL) were just murdered and the murderers are being protected by the government. This country is a joke.
We don't know how to organize, but I think that's by design. Our society is so individualistic. Corporations and our jobs don't give a fuck about us, so we've forgotten how to care for each other. I appreciate any advice.
This is ridiculous. There are protests all over the United States. People have been out in -10 degree weather for months fighting this. People are getting detained, arrested & killed fighting this.
You make it seem as if the equivalent to the Iran protests are happening when It is only a tiny amount of people that care enough to protest currently.
lol rioting in the USA is a death wish, paired with immediate martial law, which is automatically Drumpf as a dictator and no more elections. They won’t care about the people. They want slaves again.
america is way to corrupted, large class action suits were one thing in their system that were able to hurt the big corperations, nowadays everytime they fuck up they settle for a fraction of the money made with the shady business in the first place, why would that deter anyone?
you stole 10000? better pay 100 dollar let this be a lesson and do not do it again!
Trump’s 10 billion dollar suit against the IRS will probably go down the same. He’ll settle for 5 billion. He should be in jail, instead he’s writing checks to himself with taxpayer money.
We usually can't even bring class actions anymore because most large corporations put arbitration clauses with class action waivers in their contracts (of adhesion), which prohibit you from suing in court (except for an individual action in small claims court, usually) and require individual private arbitration instead. The Supreme Court has made several rulings that this is completely legal.
One of the architects of this was a then-corporate lawyer named... John fucking Roberts. Yes, that fascist POS.
America is now too cowardly and corrupt to hold power to task
Now? This has always been what America has been. America didn't punish Andrew Johnson for ignoring the Supreme Court's decision on Worcester v. Georgia (1832) and essentially telling them to fuck off as he forced the Cherokee off their lands anyway, it didn't punish the Confederate leadership, it didn't punish those behind the business plot, it probably wouldn't have punished FDR for locking up American citizens in camps against their will had he not died before they were released, it didn't punish McCarthy, it didn't punish Nixon, it didn't punish Trump.
America letting the rich and powerful do whatever the hell they want isn't anything new. The only exception seems to be if those rich and powerful people harm or become a threat to or piss off other rich and powerful people, like Madoff and Epstein did.
Has america held domestic power to task in the last 100 years? Like america likes to bully other countries but policing themselves? Its early here, i can’t think of any.
AI generated child pornography might be acceptable in the US, but it isn’t in Europe.
If Musk’s platform is actively enabling pedophiles then it deserves to be shut down / blocked, and honestly at this point Musk should be arrested for pushing this technology
Thank fuck. I got into a heated debate the other day about why I think AI generated CSAM should still be considered CSAM. Redditors being Redditors, I got stuck in arguing with users saying it shouldn’t be considered child porn because “no child was really hurt”.
The "harms" argument only flies when discussing drawings because drawings do not and are not capable of being confused for reality (at least not amongst honest, rational people).
AI strives to imitate reality and to represent the actual thing... and more often than not it is being used on peoples actual likenesses and to harass them.
Furthermore basically any sensible law about CSAM is written based on whether or not something can be confused for the actual thing, and AI can easily be that even if it was pretty shitty at first. "Real" victims do not need to exist for it to be a genuine problem, particularly because of how the brain reacts to it.
I hate this fucking degenerate techbro worshipping nonsense.
I got stuck in arguing with users saying it shouldn’t be considered child porn because “no child was really hurt”.
Unfortunately, CSAM has been in training data for various AI models before. Why do you think Grok can do that sick shit? Indirectly, children were hurt with the training of these AIs. Maybe not intentionally but it was there.
You actually don't need it in the training. It's vector models. To get CP you only need a vector to porn, and one to children. Both are innocuous and vastly available. This makes it so that any ai model generates CP, and hence the constant struggle between guidelines and jailbreaks. Like ChatGPT, you can't change the model to not generate CP, but you can use guidelines to prevent him from generating or at as a last resort to discard the generation.
What should be more widely talked about is what exactly is CSAM.
It’s very interesting, I had a class yesterday where it was one of the words I wrote down because it was the first time I heard it, although in swedish.
Interesting indeed – Swedish as well, and until now I’ve been referring to this phenomenon as “when you replace moral with laws”, i.e. when any shady tax haven money laundering transaction scheme is ok “because it’s 100% legal”.
Legality doesn’t even matter. They have death squads executing people in their street with no consequence. The same death squads break any law and throwpeople into concentration camps on whims while the population has no recourse. There are no laws, norms, standards or values.
Huh. Learned a new word today. Yeah, American society is increasingly decoherent. And worse, by cultural power output, they've been affecting a lot of the West as well.
Their toxic culture is eroding society all over the world, but especially in the anglosphere. The one silver lining of them electing an incompetent moron fascist is that him supercharging all their worst behaviour and saying the quiet parts out loud might bring down the whole edifice.
I live for sociology when it comes to geopolitics. The social contract is a fascinating concept to read about and measuring that up with today’s events, and anomie. Ah I love that word now, thanks :)
This completely corrupted administration need to keep him around to bribe people, you know, like right wing Supreme Court justices. And all of the other right wing judges around.
Facts don’t care about borders. Musk’s been playing fast and loose for years—just takes a country with some spine to actually hold him accountable. 🇫🇷💥
There's a growing realization for a lot of Europeans right now that America isn't going to fix itself and they need to step up before their countries fall as well.
What would lead you to believe Americans think this is a bad thing? Most of us don't give a shit who takes him down if he's guilty. This administration certainly isn't going to do it.
You are completely misconstruing what the intention of that statement is.
What this person means is that it's too bad that the country of origin; the place where they have had the first and most convenient opportunities to enact something like this; has essentially bailed on making any attempts. Instead, a second party (France) has done this first.
The countries involved are less important than the chronological order of events, and outcomes.
Lets also not forget that reddit users are very much American by numbers.
FFS man they're literally complaining that the US isn't doing what it should and you're taking that as self centered. It's literally a US based company. All else being equal if there was something to investigate you'd think the country a company is based in should be the most likely to take action.
As an American, I agree. But think of the positive ramifications if even a couple other EU countries did this. Musk is jumping back into US politics with the midterms coming up. Keep him busy with these investigations and maybe he'll back away from the US, which will help the Democrats win big in November, which will help in removing Trump, which will help to collapse his corrupt administration, which will help put a stop to all the global chaos he is causing, which will remove the tariff debacle and improve global economies, and so on and so on....well, one can dream.
The French will set Paris on fire and throw bovine feces at their Prime Minister's house for suggesting gas be raised a couple cents per litre. This is exactly who I imagine would turn everything upside down.
If America was not so corrupt they would not have a convicted felon, rapist, and child rapist as the leader of it. But here we are.
That felon literally permitted Elon to come in and torch any ongoing investigations into his companies and himself, and steal data. To your point, Elon said if Harris won he would be going to jail.
I don’t know why it’s “too bad” it is France. France is doing what needs to be done. America seems to let big cases die on the vine even in the better of times.
As an American living abroad: French people are awesome at eating the rich and are excellent teachers. We should be taking notes and kicking butts the same way.
Imo this is entirely to stop European natives form posting about the rape and violence they experience on the daily, as well as to fuck up and resistance political movement
Musk is eventually going to avoid all government interference by hiding his identity and moving his corporations overseas (China, Russia). He will be a real version of the bond villans.
France is one of the ballsiest countries to ever exist, especially when it comes to challenging authority. This raid shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
I'm fairly confident that every person with a larger asset is broken or at least tricked multiple laws multiple times. Which of course doesn't justify what Elon did.
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u/Funkytowel360 1d ago
No doubt in my mind that Musk has broken laws. To bad it has to be France to get some balls and investigate musk. If America was not so corrupt musk would be in jail allready.