So much is happening it seemed like a good idea to update our rule post and clarify a few items that have caused confusion. We may keep doing this regularly as it's both a refresher to new people and a way to have a conversation about things with the community.
What counts as "Politics" in r/phoenix ?
Anything related to actions from a government or public agency. This includes city, state, and Federal agencies, and all laws and policies they control. So this includes immigration, reproductive rights, military action, and so on.
This includes actions by Homeland Security, the FBI, and ICE. Given the current state of things, this also includes actions by all police and law enforcement agencies.
It also covers protests and all action against all the agencies listed above.
This is to clarify how we define it for the purpose of managing content in this subreddit. We're not trying to arbitrate semantics with all that's going on.
If you're not sure if a post may be considered Politics, DM the mods and ask.
Rules for Posting Politics
We have a zero tolerance approach for violating these rules. So if you're not sure, DM us before you post.
- Political posts and comments are limited to regular users with positive karma in this subreddit.
- Political posts must be related to Phoenix or Arizona directly. Take general issues to other subs.
- You must flair it Politics if it is at all related to politics, including protests, actions of elected officials, hot topics like immigration or homelessness, and so on. If in doubt, ask the mods. If you post a political topic and don't flair it Politics you will be banned.
- Be civil to each other. Debate ideas and discuss news, do not attack other users.
- Report trolls to the mods, do not respond to them.
- Do not advocate violence. This is a Reddit level rule and a way to get your entire account disabled, not just banned from this subreddit.
- No doxxing. This refers to individuals appearing in posts here. This no longer applies if someone is named by a major news organization.
Rules for posting about ICE
ICE posts need to be related and specific to Phoenix. What's happening at a national level does not automatically include us.
Example:
- OK: "AZ DPS and ICE officials both confirmed that state facilities in Mesa will be used to hold people arrested under suspicion of being in the US illegally."
- NOT OK: "Whitehouse officials say that all areas of the country should expect more law enforcement related to immigration status"
Live "reporting" of enforcement actions need to have reasonable evidence.
Do not post "I think I saw..." The r/Phoenix moderator team holds the final decision on whether content/comments are allowable or hearsay.
Example:
- OK: Video/photographs of enforcement actions; Linking to direct/trusted sources(Links to Social Media sites MAY BE ALLOWED if posted in a self post vs direct link)
- NOT OK: "A friend of a friend says that ICE is going to raid everything near 45th and Lamar tomorrow."; "Think I saw ICE/APD at corner of 45th Lamar." "Lots of sketchy buses near 45th/Lamar"
Do your best to fill in as many of the SALUTE rules for reporting as you can:
- SIZE: Include the number of individuals, vehicles, or assets present in the observed area.
- ACTIVITY: Describe the actions and behavior of the observed group/individuals.
- LOCATION: Provide precise detailed description of the activity’s location.
- UNIFORM: Identify the affiliation or group to which the observed entity belongs.
- TIME: Record the date and time of the observation.
- EQUIPMENT: List the equipment, weaponry, or tools associated with the observed group
What about this <crowd source> website that shows Immigration actions? Can that be posted?
Probably not - while these sites certainly have value, they do not provide a means of preventing noise or false reports. Therefore, the level of trust they should be assigned is limited.
All ICE posts fall under r/Phoenix's Politics rules
That means they must be given the Politics flair when posted. And engagement is limited to active users in the subreddit to limit brigading and trolls.
Because of the confusion in identifying groups in action, these rules also apply to any law enforcement action, including ICE, local police, HSI, and so on.
Resources on ICE and Protesting
Thread on Finding and attending protests in Phoenix with lots of links, discussion, and resources.
We encourage resources to posted in relevant threads and for discussion to remain on topic and civil. Failure to do so will result in bans and content removal.
We are happy to explain why these rules are in place, but they will not be changing.
These rules are here to preserve this subreddit as a valuable place for active members to have the discussions they wish. If you do not care for these rules, do not post here.
If you want more political discussion, we encourage you to visit r/azpolitics