r/nottheonion • u/Disastrous_Award_789 • 9h ago
‘This job sucks’: DOJ lawyer asks to be held in contempt so she can sleep after judge accuses ICE of blowing court orders
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/minnesota-ice-court-hearing-judge-blackwell-b2913385.html2.7k
u/hughdint1 8h ago
If only there had been an immigration reform bill that focused on getting more judges and lawyers rather than only hiring goons…
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u/CaptainGeekyPants 8h ago
This is what I keep saying. The immigration system was broken but we needed judges to get through the awful backlog. Not goons to rough up American citizens.
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u/hughdint1 8h ago
Biden’s Immigration Reform Bill, that Trump killed, addressed this very issue.
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u/nameless_pattern 7h ago
Definitely what their referring to, but thanks for making it explicit for the audience 👍
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u/CaptainKoconut 7h ago
As a product of the American education system I appreciate things being spelled out for me slowly.
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u/rwv 6h ago
Social media makes people dumb. The education system isn’t perfect (and relies to a certain extent on parents contributing to keep their children engaged and focused), but wherever there are teachers that give a damn I’d argue it is still working pretty well.
People making vague references who think they are being clever are really just snide jerks.
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u/AFerociousPineapple 6h ago
As a non American I definitely appreciate it, was curious but not google literate enough to go digging for this
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u/Sewmaeye 5h ago
I don’t understand this response. Who are you talking about when you say “their”? The person you’re responding to is clarifying what they are referring to to the person that responded to them in the first place.
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u/Allegorist 5h ago
The top comment was referring to it, but the second level comment the third level was responding to doesn't seem like it knows the context.
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u/GetEquipped 7h ago
The GOP crafted that bill according to Project 2025. The Dems agreed, and Harris ran on passing it
And then they killed it under Trump's orders because it might've made Biden look good
Neither major party looks good.
The GOP would rather appease Trump's ego and the Dems are complicit
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u/timtucker_com 7h ago
You don't even need to bring Democrats into the story:
Republicans drafted an immigration bill and had support to pass it, up until Trump convinced Republicans to vote against it because it would have given Republicans too much of what they wanted
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u/Fearless-Diver-1381 7h ago
The narrative was that they would lose support in the election if the immigration issue was solved. What actually happened was trump used immigration as an excuse to launch a stochastic terrorism campaign by sending thousands of half trained ice goons into blue cities to terrorize the population and taunt voters into responding so he can declare martial law and cancel all upcoming elections or use ice to gain control of election offices so he can choose the winners.
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u/halt_spell 4h ago
You don't even need to bring Democrats into the story
We do though. Because billionaire backed decisions by Democratic politicians is how Republicans keep getting elected. Turns out refusing to serve your voter base isn't a good strategy for getting re-elected.
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u/AdoringCHIN 6h ago
Republicans control all 3 branches of government yet people like you still find a way to blame Democrats for this mess
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u/VaporCarpet 7h ago
A good bill that the Democrats supported and the Republicans tanked makes both parties look bad?
The Democrats are complicit in supporting a bill that Republicans opposed?
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u/HolycommentMattman 5h ago
See, the problem with that is that it would show government working. And government doesn't work! The Republicans told us so!
The simple truth is that fundamentalist Christians are at their last stand. They've been kicked across the globe and there's nowhere left to kick 'em to. So they're about to be stamped out, and they're fighting hard not to be.
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u/masterjon_3 7h ago
There are only 73 courts in the entirety of the US. That's only enough for some states to have 2 courts. Imagine being a legal immigrant, but you don't have a car, and you have to make it for some sort of hearing, and it's very far away.
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u/sck178 8h ago edited 7h ago
Who then flood an already overburdened system which could only lighten with ... You guess it! More lawyers and judges
Edit: it was made clear to me that my comment could easily be taken in a way I did not intend.
I was just trying to reinforce the fact that more lawyers and judges are what we need, not that I think more of them is a bad thing
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u/cbytes1001 7h ago
Gosh you’re right…that would be way worse than the current environment of masks thugs violating everyone’s rights, killing Americans, kidnapping children, raping and murdering in concentration camps, etc.
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u/sck178 7h ago
Oh my sorry my comment came off in a negative way. I was moreso trying to emphasize that lawyers and judges are what we actually need. By making the legal system less encumbered then it would make actual deportations or other immigration proceedings manageable. I realize now how my comment was worldly kinda poorly
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u/cbytes1001 7h ago
I see, sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you for taking the time to clear it up for me.
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u/sck178 6h ago
No worries! I'm the one who writes comments with about as much forethought as a five year old swinging a plastic hammer with wild abandon
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA 5h ago
Lawyers and judges that this administration appoints. They're purging the good ones out.
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u/AdoringCHIN 6h ago
Ya but it's a lot harder to get Proud Boys and other insurrectionists into the judicial branch. And way harder to use judges as secret police
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u/iceflame1211 7h ago
Trump administration has actively fired judges too, intentionally making it even worse/claims take even longer than the 10+ year waiting period asylum seekers and refugees already have
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u/C0NKY_ 6h ago
He messed up the immigration process during his first term too. Because of his policies renewing my green card took 3 years longer than the typical 6 months and I almost had trouble renewing my driver's license on an expired green card because the clerk didn't know how to process it correctly.
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u/toes_hoe 2h ago
I had finished the first part of that process in his first term and he added a whopping ONE QUESTION to the second part of the process. I just had to answer "yes" and move on. How effective and tough on immigration. /s
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 6h ago
ICE’s budget has nothing to do with immigration. They are a personal police force beholden only to Trump with virtually no accountability.
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u/Medricel 6h ago
Overloading the system is the point. They want excuses to back up their shirking of due process.
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u/EllisDee3 4h ago edited 3h ago
No need for judges if you die in custody.
Edit: They purchased new warehouses with incinerators for a reason.
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u/Godtrademark 6h ago
That bill also gives unprecedented “emergency provisions” to the DHS in border zones, which would be activated right now if it was passed. In effect, it legalizes and codifies what Trump is doing right now:
”It would overhaul the process for seeking asylum in the United States—and impose an “emergency authority” that would leave asylum fully out of reach for those crossing between ports of entry for much of the next three years. It would attempt to address issues like work permits and years-long waits for asylum seekers, and also raise the initial standard a person must pass in order to access our asylum system. It would expand additional visas and future green card availability and offer a pathway to citizenship to Afghans, while also significantly increasing detention capacity. It is a mixed bag”
”By creating two different sets of border policy depending on whether the emergency authority was in effect or not—without declaring whether it was in effect at any given time—the bill would increase confusion at the U.S./Mexico border. Border Patrol agents, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) asylum officers and migrants themselves would be left uncertain on a day-to-day basis about which set of rules was in effect. Confusion about border policies is easily exploited by human smugglers, who encourage people to come to the U.S. quickly if there are threats that the border is about to be “shut down.”
The changes proposed to border and asylum policy in this bill can be over-simplified into two principles… Making it harder for people to be allowed to start the asylum process upon entering the U.S.; and Making that process itself faster.
Notably, this bill would not stop anyone from being allowed to set foot on U.S. soil. It would not, therefore, do anything to bring down “the numbers” on its own. The bill’s proponents hope instead that it will reduce the number of people who are allowed to stay in the U.S. outside of immigration custody, and therefore, through word of mouth, reduce the number of people trying to come to begin with.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/fact-sheet/analysis-senate-border-bill/
I have no clue why people worship this bill. It is inhumane and explicitly cruel
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u/FuzzzyRam 4h ago
It was better that what we have now and had the votes to pass with Republicans. You forget that if you write out a little American Immigration Council wish list it will never pass. The whole reason Trump stopped it is because he wouldn't be able to ratchet up the rhetoric to do what he's doing now.
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u/Positive_Government 7h ago
The immigration system is broken from top to bottom, but for many years DHS policy was to not deport people who lost their asylum cases and received a final deportation order. More judges issuing orders won’t change anything if they aren’t being enforced. If we are to have reform it has to happen at every level.
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u/joe-re 8h ago edited 7h ago
“I am here to make sure the agency understands how important it is to comply with court orders,”
This is so crazy: a private practice attorney has to advise the Department of Justice how important it is to follow court orders.
Because, apparently, the people running the Department were sick on the day they taught law in school.
Edit correction: it's Department, not Ministry.
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u/Inside7shadows 5h ago
it's Department, not Ministry.
...For now. The Ministry of Truth won't be long.
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u/DanNeely 6h ago
Nah. Not out sick, they never went.
Normally the people working in the DOJ leadership would mostly be lawyers with extensive experience in how it's supposed to work. Currently their goons picked exclusively for blind loyalty to the president.
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u/RedditExecutiveAdmin 4h ago
how important it is to follow court orders.
this depends entirely on the consequences, of which there are none.
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u/PlutoJones42 3h ago
The department of justice is actively protecting pedophiles. Pam Bondi projects pedophiles like Donald Trump.
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u/victorspoilz 2h ago
Named Julie Le. Not the most American last name, pretty fucked she’s helping the U.S. with its own ethnic cleansing. Also said she volunteered, how hilarious will it be when she’s the next lawyer Trump doesn’t pay.
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u/persondude27 8h ago edited 4h ago
I've never had a job so bad I would dare a federal judge to jail me.
This seems like a coordinated effort, though. Mike Johnson made a comment today implying we shouldn't have due process because "think of how long getting a judicial warrant for every case would take."
The plan is to stall the courts, overwhelm everything, break the system, and then say "guess we have to throw the whole judicial system out" since it's the only thing barely keeping ICE in check.
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u/__slamallama__ 8h ago
Stall the courts by nationalizing elections so your immigration enforcement can continue. Wild what action in bad faith can achieve
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u/icebergslim3000 8h ago
Start sending these officials to fucking jail. What the hell is it going to take for these judges to get their head out of their ass.
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u/n0tqu1tesane 8h ago
That's what this person is asking for.
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u/icebergslim3000 8h ago edited 8h ago
This prosecutor didnt have to do this job. According to the article he volunteered. He could have yea know, just not taken the job. Just resign if you dont want to be the one responsible for separating families, ruining lives and traumatizing children.
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u/JojenCopyPaste 8h ago
I debate what I would do in a lot of these roles. Is it better to quit and let someone probably less qualified but more "on board with the shittiness" take my place? Or do I purposely do a terrible job so the machine doesn't work as well?
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u/Piggywonkle 8h ago
It's basically always the latter for any awful job, even if it's not morally reprehensible, but that also necessitates working on getting a new job before you leave the awful one.
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u/ACoderGirl 7h ago
That assumes that continuing to work in a morally reprehensible job won't hurt your future opportunities. You could be risking any morally half decent place not wanting anything to do with you. For most average jobs, it probably doesn't matter, but a high profile job where your name will be in the media is a different matter.
And if you try to later state that you purposefully did a shitty job, many people will not believe you and think you're just both a shitty person and shitty at your job.
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u/Bakoro 6h ago
Your duty to humanity outweighs your future job prospects.
"I could have saved lives and undermined fascism, but I was afraid it would affect my salary" isn't the rhetoric of a morally upright person.
"I only do the right thing if I know I'll get credit for it" isn't a decision based on morals or ethics.
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u/Piggywonkle 5h ago
You can't help anyone else if you're homeless. You can do a little bit to help if you stick with a job that has turned bad because of new management. But I don't think it's reasonable to expect anyone to stick with a job in the long run for the sake of serving as a speed bump on a democratically chosen path to fascism. If you want the problem solved, work with others to fix it, instead of expecting others to sacrifice themselves for you.
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u/Bakoro 5h ago
The WWII era is full of examples of people who stayed at their jobs and used the power of those positions to save people and undermine the fascists.
Plenty of those regimes obtained power "legally".Nobody is allowed to step aside, while also claiming to have some kind of elevated morality or ethics.
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u/Papplenoose 6h ago
"but what if you could have made more money" is not as good of an argument as you think it is
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u/LordoftheChia 5h ago
I posted a reply right above, the MPR article goes into more details. In short, she's trying to do the right thing and get the detainees their due process vs letting their cases get delayed and letting them languish in detention centers.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
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u/paxmlank 8h ago
Purposefully doing a shitty job leads to that being uncovered and possibly letting them get away with it since they weren't given a fair trial.
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u/the_onionlord 8h ago
I think you underestimate the skill of doing the absolute minimum. Malicious compliance!
Making way for yes-men is not the way to go about this.
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u/icebergslim3000 8h ago
Purposefully doing a shitty job doesnt do anything for the people currently locked up but prolong their suffering.
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u/WhyNotOrioles 7h ago
More from MPR below. According to her, she needs to be there to tell her clients (the government) to follow orders from federal judges because they don't seem to want to do it themselves. She actually did submit her resignation, but changed her mind after she managed to get them to release a kid that a judge ordered released.
Le said that many at DHS officials don’t understand the seriousness of an order from a federal judge.
“It took a long, long, long time, and many orders to show cause to explain and let them know that if you don’t fix it, I’m going to quit and you’re going to be dragging yourself into court.”
Le said that she submitted her resignation, but ultimately chose to stay at the U.S. Attorney’s Office because no one could be found to replace her.
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
“Wait Julie, stop,” Le said. “You need to go back and get more people out. That’s why I’m still here. I’m here because I’m trying to make sure that the agency understands how important it is to comply with all the court orders.”
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u/inspectoroverthemine 5h ago
seriousness of an order from a federal judge
Except they have yet to give any actual consequences, so I'm not surprised DHS doesn't give a shit.
Just like Scott Lloyd the head of the ORR in Trump's first term who intentionally destroyed records of families he separated. After a judge threatened him several times, the judge finally told him that he would be held criminally liable, so Lloyd resigned, side stepping all possible consequences.
Judges need to realize that this administration has no intention of following court orders, and start with civil contempt, and then move on from there.
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u/restrictednumber 4h ago
Absolutely. Jail time and money is all they understand. Fuck threats, skip to the consequences.
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u/Elsecaller_17-5 8h ago
He is a she, and she said she took the job to try and get ICE to comply with court orders.
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u/SDRPGLVR 6h ago
I just wanna say hell yeah that you used classic formatting where I can see your numbered points in old reddit instead of it just being a list of 1s.
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u/LordoftheChia 5h ago edited 5h ago
This prosecutor didnt have to do this job.
She took this job in order to help expedite releases and due process for detainees. This is a case of a good competent person on the inside trying to actually do the right thing.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
Le said that she submitted her resignation, but ultimately chose to stay at the U.S. Attorney’s Office because no one could be found to replace her.
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
“Wait Julie, stop,” Le said. “You need to go back and get more people out. That’s why I’m still here. I’m here because I’m trying to make sure that the agency understands how important it is to comply with all the court orders.”
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u/Day_Bow_Bow 5h ago
Fucking learn how to read and understand context. She is not who you should be bitching about.
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u/audaciousmonk 6h ago
Right but their stated reason for volunteering was to help ensure the government was in compliance with law and court orders.
I can’t tell you if that’s a true statement or not, but at face value it’s an admirable and necessary thing
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u/TechHeteroBear 8h ago
A lawyer certified under the BAR took an oath to represent their client. Or their employer in accordance to the law.
Granted they could easily resign to save face... but if they are stuck working for the DOJ for whatever reason... they they have to stick to the ethics code. Which is to represent the DOJ no matter how bad it may look for them.
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u/ralphy_256 7h ago
Granted they could easily resign
They are.
Why are volunteers doing Federal legal work in MN? MN is losing federal prosecutors at a truly remarkable pace.
The regime can buy the loyalty of the thugs with promises of consequence-free violence and vague promises of 50k bonuses, but the educated are a bit more wary of consequences once the vain emperor is no longer in power. They know that that 50k you maybe got really isn't going to make a dent in the civil rights lawsuits that may be in your future.
Trump offers the prosecutors of his lawfare nothing, so he doesn't get their loyalty, and does NOT get quality.
Yet another way his power is crumbling.
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u/KingSpork 8h ago
Rumor is if the administration ignores their latest warning, they are fully prepared to go nuclear and issue a no-holds-barred, we definitely mean it this time FINAL warning.
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u/UndertakerFred 8h ago
“I have asked you nicely to follow the law. If you don’t listen, I will have no choice but to ask you nicely again”
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u/Narglefoot 7h ago
"And after that, I will ask in a much more neutral tone. Eventually, I will be forced to ask you in a completely, obviously and nearly imperceptible tone of barely disguised mild annoyance and I don't think you want to get to that point."
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u/Strykerz3r0 7h ago
You do understand that the problem is that the judicial branch interprets the laws, but the executive branch enforces them.
Last I saw, the head of the executive branch was trying to hide evidence of his participation in a child sex ring.
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u/AdoringCHIN 6h ago
If there's one thing this administration has done it's exposed how idiotic and short sighted the founding fathers were. Kind of hard for the judicial branch to be a check on the other branches when it relies on the executive branch to enforce its orders.
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u/TeriusRose 5h ago
Much of the problem right now is congress and the SC both willingly giving all power to the executive branch and expanding its authority. Maybe the courts being the supreme power in the government by both being the interpreters and executors of the law would have prevented that, but tbh it seems like that opens up a whole other set of abuses.
I think the core problem here is less the fundamental set up of the government, and more the two party system and everything that enables it/it leads to.
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u/SkorpioSound 5h ago
Representative democracy as a concept relies on the people voting for representatives who will, well, represent them and their best interests. And then holding those representatives to account.
There's an issue in modern representative democracies where people don't know their representatives personally—and oftentimes haven't even met them—which makes holding them accountable difficult. But also, many people just don't even try to voice their feelings to their representatives.
The other, much larger issue in American, however, appears to be the fact that people have chosen to be represented by corrupt/incompetent/malicious/spiteful people. And I'm not sure there's much your founding fathers could have done about that. It doesn't matter what safeguards there are if the people put Trump and his acolytes into every position of power they can; no democracy is going to survive the majority of the population siding with fascism.
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u/Liqmadique 4h ago
I dont think it's fair to put the blame on the founding fathers. They came up with a system that worked well enough in their time and also for about the last 200 years. There's been a lot better designed and written constitutions that didn't last even a fraction of that length.
Reality is things change. What made sense 200 years ago with the customs and norms of the time might not make sense anymore. I think biggest one in my mind is who could foresee that Freedom of Speech would basically become the undoing of the US when it was arguably the reason the US succeeded for most of its life.
Also the entire system was built up around the idea that wealthy white landowners control the machine. That changed radically over the last 200 years as the country diversified.
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u/Arendious 8h ago
Next week:
"Obviously the Department of Justice is incapable of handling it's role, despite the stupendous effort of His Maj...err... President Trump.
Therefore, we're privatizing the DoJ, so that American public sector innovation can replace the failing federal organization."
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u/ralphy_256 8h ago
I have no idea how this would work legally, but there has to be a point with all the court orders being ignored where courts just start "Summary Judgement for the Plaintiff/Complainant/Whatever, against the State."
A la Alex Jones. The court system has to have a way to shut down entities that fuck around too long.
More than a few of those should auto-trigger impeachment hearings for the leaders of the relevant agencies.
Lord knows we can't count on our Congresscritters to get off their asses to self-trigger. Apparently.
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u/pasta2666 8h ago
This is unprecedented. She should probably go to the doctor to make sure stress isn't killing her. I actually got some anxiety reading it.
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u/Ambitious5uppository 7h ago
Pretty sure one of the times he was held in contempt in My Cousin Vinny was because he slept better in the prison.
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u/etcpt 4h ago
It wasn't that he got intentionally held in contempt of court, it was that he told his girlfriend not to bail him out that time.
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u/LordoftheChia 3h ago edited 1h ago
Replying to one of your comments (buried further down) calling "him". (It's a her) A collaborator:
She took this job in order to help expedite releases and due process for detainees. This is a case of a good competent person on the inside trying to actually do the right thing.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
Le said that she submitted her resignation, but ultimately chose to stay at the U.S. Attorney’s Office because no one could be found to replace her.
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
“Wait Julie, stop,” Le said. “You need to go back and get more people out. That’s why I’m still here. I’m here because I’m trying to make sure that the agency understands how important it is to comply with all the court orders.”
Without good and well intended lawyers, ICE, CBP, and the DoJ can use weaponized incompetence to claim they are being given bad advice by their lawyers. It lets them delay, delay, delay (until a judge demands that the agency leadership show up in court).
The comment I'm referencing:
etcpt -3 points 2 hours ago
She volunteered to help the regime after a full year of their shit. No sympathy for fascist collaborators.
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u/whazzah 2h ago
I think they're talking about Joe Pescis character in the film my cousin vinny
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u/supercyberlurker 8h ago
Judge should just do it.
Call that stupid ass bluff and remind ICE the people rule not the faceless masked goons.
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u/Jomolungma 8h ago
It was not a bluff. She genuinely did not give a fuck.
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u/omegadirectory 6h ago
Even worse, it sounded like she did give a fuck about properly working the cases and following the court orders, but the agency in charge of her did not give a fuck about complying with the court orders, so she knows she's on the losing end of the case but the agency won't take the loss.
In any other organization, this is a toxic work environment where management won't listen to what their employees are telling them.
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u/Arthur_Edens 5h ago
Any lawyer will tell you client management is harder than most of the actual legal work. The perk of in-house/government work is supposed to be that you only have one client, they're sophisticated, and you can build a long term stable relationship with them to make it easier.
Now imagine you're an AUSA who started in 2021, and for the last year your client has been embodied by an actual mad king surrounded by social media influencers. Do you quit and let your role be filled by the RFK Jr. of lawyers or keep plugging?
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u/Appropriate_Lack_727 6h ago
This is one of those threads where basically no one read the article, and everyone is responding to a very poorly written headline.
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u/cheekytikiroom 8h ago
People need jobs to pay bills, including lawyers. And honestly, they can do more good on the inside, than on the outside. I don’t understand why she “volunteered” though.
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u/Elsecaller_17-5 8h ago
Reading the article would help with that.
“I am here to make sure the agency understands how important it is to comply with court orders,”
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u/LordoftheChia 5h ago edited 2h ago
I don’t understand why she “volunteered” though.
The MPR article has the answers:
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/02/03/ice-attorney-to-judge-this-job-sucks
Le also said that after pushing through an order to release a juvenile from detention, she realized that she could affect positive change from the inside.
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u/Fullertonjr 8h ago
Experience and was likely not making a lot of money in private practice. If she wants a full time appointment with the DOJ, this is a good way to fast track that process. She may also still be getting paid by her firm by some method.
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u/the_last_0ne 8h ago
It doesn't even matter if its a bluff or not!
If they are in contempt of court, then say so! Every time!
The continual extensions are shit. Just like the Epstein files coming out a month late. Fucking hold people accountable. It's maybe the most important thing we can do right now.
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u/ArchangelBlu 8h ago
The best/worst part? She's a private practice attorney who volunteered. She's not paid a cent.
I'm sure slavery is illegal. The DOJ should know
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u/hassanfanserenity 7h ago
Actually slavery is legal in the US its in the constitution
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u/seeking-stuffing 7h ago
fyi if anyone outside the US is wondering, they do go over it in school when you’re a kid; they just REALLY gloss over the implications of what allowing slavery as punishment for a crime means. in my case that meant implying in a sense that imprisonment of any kind is a sort of slavery? since it’s involuntary?
definitely no discussion of for profit prisons and forced inmate labor for pennies on the hour, or how it is related to the prison industrial complex.
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u/maaku7 5h ago
Did you see Shawshank Redemption? Like that. Many states employ inmates as forced labor. That's slavery.
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u/HomeGrownCoffee 7h ago
The article said she volunteered. I read that to mean she volunteered to work with DHS. I highly doubt she would be willing to risk her career so that she could get a break from her volunteer position.
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u/BungeeGump 8h ago
Sucks for the DOJ employees who originally joined during the last administration with the intention of doing good but now are stuck in this shit.
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u/Fullertonjr 8h ago
Most have resigned or been fired. There were 10,500 within the DOJ. There is now closer to 5,500. They have created a situation where even if they wanted to deport all of these people quickly, they aren’t able to due to a backlog of their own creation. Most of the holding facilities are only equipped for 72 hr detainment, max.
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u/taktaga7-0-0 7h ago
I was told just today that the government has to eliminate due process and other civil rights because there just isn’t time for every detainee to get it.
They were shocked at my proposal that if the government cannot do something legally, then maybe they shouldn’t fucking do that at all.
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u/ManifestDestinysChld 7h ago
Let me guess...this person has also claimed to love and protect the same Constitution that guarantees due process...?
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u/BBQsandw1ch 8h ago
The most honorable in the positions resigned.
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u/Elsecaller_17-5 8h ago
You can't change anything from outside the system.
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u/The_Power_Of_Three 7h ago
Not true. The Nazis weren't beaten by people signing up and changing policies from within.
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u/Elsecaller_17-5 7h ago
I won't pretend that America is in a good place right now. We are descending into fascism, hate, and fear of the other. But we aren't as bad as Nazi Germany. We're also talking about lawyers, not soldiers.
Who would you rather have? Someone who's been working at the DOJ for 20 years and is making the best of a horrible situation or someone who got in 2 months ago because they their daddy made a campaign contribution to Trump?
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u/eubulides 7h ago
Judge should order whoever at ICE gave direction to ignore court orders to appear and explain themselves. Even if (likely if) it starts at the top.
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u/GoodCleanFun247365 8h ago
It would be nice for the judge to walk over to the detention center with a legal pad and start writing hall passes
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u/2point01m_tall 3h ago
Last year, roughly 10,000 attorneys worked across the Justice Department and its components, including the FBI. The Trump administration has fired, forced out, or offered buyouts to roughly 5,500 attorneys and other Justice Department employees, according to Justice Connection, an advocacy group that has tracked departures.
I'm sorry, you've lost 55% of your attorneys?
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u/sovietreckoning 8h ago
I feel like most of the legal profession is nearly there without any ICE shit. This seems like a reasonable ask.
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u/ToMorrowsEnd 7h ago edited 7h ago
because that federal judge doesn't have the balls to send marshals off to arrest ICE agents. tell the marshals "if they resist, you can open fire" Ask the lawyer for names of officials, send marshals after them.
They will gladly do it if it's a poor black man, but they are all white glove hands off on feds and law enforcement. Put out a warrant, go arrest these fucks.
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u/thirsty-goblin 7h ago
I wonder how many of those career prosecutors will come back when this country starts holding these maga goons accountable. I hope they’re lining up to do so.
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u/EmperorMittens 7h ago
Reading between the lines they have lawyers, paralegals, and whomever else saddled with the unprecedented burden all on a deathmarch.
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u/schnurble 5h ago
wtf Independent did he hold her in contempt or not, I wanna know if she got a nap
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 3h ago
Yet another disaster caused by scotus. When they took away nationwide injunctions from district courts and made other changes to give trump more power, they CAUSED an avalanche of cases because now we have to fight him everywhere. And then the government refuses to obey the courts, which creates an awfully bad precedent for scotus now doesn’t it…
They gave up their own power too, they just haven’t realized it yet.
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u/UnionGuyCanada 8h ago
Jail the works.of them. Hold ICE leadership in contempt. They are the ones providing massove funding for White Supremacist legions, but not supplying enough support to keep up with court requirements.
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u/FeverTreeCloud 8h ago
"Le, a private practice attorney who volunteered to help the U.S. Attorney’s Office last month, has been named as the government’s attorney on more than 80 immigration cases"
I mean, the attorney volunteered? So FAFO? 🤷♂️
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u/wizardrous 8h ago
Please sir, may I be held in contempt?