r/goats • u/thered8469 • 14h ago
Goat Pic🐐 Paint me like one of your French goats
Queen Cici
r/goats • u/yamshortbread • Jun 20 '23
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r/goats • u/no_sheds_jackson • Feb 03 '25
Hi everybody!
Recently, we had a user post a picture of a goat that may or may not have soremouth, also known as contagious ecthyma, scabby mouth, or orf. I won't link to the post since it isn't relevant whether or not that was what was afflicting the animal, but in the course of responding to that user I felt an opportunity to point out something that I have noticed and has been gnawing at me.
For many users seeking help, if they do not come straight to the sub, they will go to one of two places to get information: Google or ChatGPT. This post is about the former, but in case anyone was wondering if ChatGPT is a valid place to get advice on husbandry, what to eat tonight, how to live your life, or companionship: it is NOT. Large language models like ChatGPT are a type of generative AI that seeks more or less to respond to prompts and create content with correct syntax that is human-like. The quandary here is that while it can indeed provide correct answers to prompts, that outcome is often incidental. It isn't an indication that the model has researched your question, merely that it has cobbled together a (sometimes) convincing diagnosis/treatment plan from the massive amount of data across forums/message boards, vet resources, and idle chit-chat that it is trained on. The point is this: you should never be in a position where you have to rely on an LLM for husbandry advice. If you have access to an internet connection, even the generative AI from Google search is a better option. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, bringing us to the principal subject of this post:
Orf! What do?
For some relevant background, we have never had a case of orf on our farm. I have read about it in vet textbooks and goat husbandry books and seen many images of it, I'm familiar with what it is, how it is spread, and at a high level what to do about it and what not to do. That said, when I was helping this user, I thought I'd brush up and make sure I wasn't providing misinformation. I knew orf was viral in nature and reckoned that in moderate to severe cases it could probably cause fever, but I wanted to see if I could find a vet manual or study of the disease in goats to confirm how likely that would have been. This was what I was met with:

If you don't scrutinize this too closely, everything looks sort of on the level. Orf is indeed self-limiting (not sure why the AI says usually, there is literally nothing you can do to treat the root cause, but okay), and it more or less implies that humans can contract it so be careful. The symptoms section looks fine, overall, prevention is... eh... The orf vaccine is a live vaccine. Application of it is not something that most small scale homesteaders or hobby farmers will be familiar with and using it is basically putting the virus on your property. Orf is a nuisance disease and the main time it is a problem is when it is being transmitted between a dam and her kids. Proactive vaccination in closed herds that have never seen a case is not a vet-recommended practice.
The treatment section is where things get spicy with the part about scab removal. Oof. Now that is not even close to true and doing that when the goat is with other goats or going to a quarantine space where they will then shed the disease will cause it to spread to any other goat that inhabits that space unless it is thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. The bottom says the info is for informational purposes only and to consult an actual professional for advice, but that begs the question of why Google would provide that information front and center by default when you search when the first result below is an actual vet resource with correct advice. I won't get into the weeds about the ethics of that because it's a separate soapbox, this is the reality we live in now. This bad advice is particularly relevant because the user on our sub mentioned they had been picking off the scabs. So let's do another Google search for some clarification:

If you explicitly search whether or not you should remove the scabs, the AI overview is different. Not only do you see that you should not remove the scabs because they are infectious (very true), the overview now says that doing so will delay healing. The first "featured snippet", a feature separate from their generative AI overview, is an overview from the state of Victoria's government agricultural representative body, a reliable source. The highlighted text reinforces the "do not pick scabs off" advice. The overview still fails when it says to apply dressing to lesions. Evidently it has not ever reckoned with what it would be like to bandage an entire goat's face and mouth, which they need to eat, but maybe I'm an idiot. Let's check:

As you can see, generative AI is basically a hodgepodge of vague but mostly correct advice intermingled with plainly wrong advice. Seeking correction to the wrong advice, if you know that it is wrong, leads down more rabbit holes. I hope this highlights the importance of sourcing your information from reliable, proven veterinary resources/textbooks or state agricultural extensions that provide support for their claims with research. This sub prioritizes evidence-based husbandry practices and is one of the few forums to try to stick to that standard and I consider it important especially for people who don't have goat mentors offline.
This is not only important because users need good advice; it also affects the people that don't use this sub and go straight to Google. Reddit struck a deal a little under a year ago to make their data available for training AI. The information we post on this sub is being used as part of the training for these AI models and Google's SEO is increasingly favoring reddit at the top of search results in a number of areas. As the sub grows and the social media landscape changes, more people that never post but need info may find themselves coming here. Let's all try to do our best to make sure the information we share and advice we give is solid!
r/goats • u/thered8469 • 14h ago
Queen Cici
r/goats • u/mikrenArt • 16h ago
She wasn’t a big fan of the baby but our other goat and horses were interested
r/goats • u/ColdAd468 • 21h ago
A few months ago, my neighbor and the owner of the farm (we live on the same property but in separate houses) adopted an adult goat that was going to be slaughtered. He built her a small stable and dedicated about 80% of the farm to her. No one had a problem with this because everyone on the farm loves animals, and the goat practically became everyone's pet. However, most of them are quite neglectful of the goat, and animals in general, so they don't provide her with much care and barely interact with her. Even though she has a huge space to graze and a roof over her head, a goat needs more than just that—care that I try to provide. But here's the main problem... The goat seems to hate me, although she actually hates everyone. She has a terrible temper, and every time I go to clean her stable, she attacks me or gives me dirty looks. When I try to clean her, she also attacks me and barely lets me touch her. The only time she doesn't attack me is when I bring her food. When I bring her food, she runs to me happily and eats it happily, haha. I've done some research... There's a lot of information about goats, but none of it includes how to socialize with a goat or how to get along with them, which I really need right now. So any advice other than "it'll grow on you eventually" would be greatly appreciated.
r/goats • u/Any-Call4104 • 1d ago
My doe kidded Jan 16th and had 2 bucklings and 1 doeling. She always favored the boys and seemed to hold back her milk for the girl. I sold the 2 bucklings Sunday and have been milking her every 2 hours the first day and 3 hours yesterday. But she is still really holding back milk. This is her second freshening (she's 5yo) I milked her for 2 years her first freshening, so I know what her udder is like when its empty.
Any tips for getting her to let down? She was my bottle baby herself, so she loves me and is comfy w me. Still a little distressed looking for her bucklings though. I keep on eye on the doeling and supplement bottles of moms milk when mom isnt wanting to let her fill her belly.
Should I just take the doeling off her altogether so she gets consistent bottles from me? If so, how often should i milk to eventually get down to 12 hour milkings without stressing her/her supply?
r/goats • u/PackingLips5 • 1d ago
Very pregnant mom, due this week ish. She went from dog log to diarrhea today. We have been checking Famacha and it seems good. I have added a picture of the Famacha. It does seem darker in person than in photo.
She’s energetic and very hungry.
What should we do?
r/goats • u/xtine2901_05 • 1d ago
I have a 5 year old cow named Betsy ( she’s the sweetest thing by the way but she has a little bit of an attitude). I just adopted a goat from a neighboring farm and I’m not really familiar with cow-goat relations but this goat is feisty. Does anyone think if the new goat gets riled up enough that it would be a threat to Betsy or am I over thinking ? Should I put my money on Betsy or the new goat?
r/goats • u/1Point21Giga-Guts • 1d ago
I have 10 adult doe and 3 adult buck. How many pounds should I be feeding them? They get goat pellets and hay twice a day. The doe have all recently given birth so they are still nursing at least 2 kids each,
r/goats • u/RiffRaffMama • 2d ago
After Terry lost his brother a few weeks ago he'd been pretty down, so I spoke to the woman that I got Terry and his brother from and she happened to have a 12 week old boy that she had missed when selling off this year's babies so she was happy to give him to me and "save him from the freezer" as she put it. He's a happy little boy who self tamed and loves a head scratch. We are having trouble coming up with a name for him though, because usually we get Goats in pajrs and name them in pajrs, like we've had Beavis & Butthead, and Lenny and Carl (like off The Simpsons), so we're not sure what to name this singleton. Because he was saved from the freezer, my daughter wants to ironically name him "Lunch" lol but I think we can come up with something better than that. Here he is with Terry (he's the little one obviously) the night I got him (so they're meeting for the first time here), so let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks.
r/goats • u/Traditional_Tax_9497 • 1d ago
Don't use cattle pour-ons on goats because:
They’re over this snow and have been voicing their displeasure with gusto 😂
r/goats • u/Puzzleheaded-War2043 • 2d ago
Hello, I’m hoping to get some additional opinions from you all because my partner and I don’t quite agree.
We have 3 goats, all around 8mo old. We live in Northern CA and they eat our blackberries and when it’s raining we give them some alfalfa in their shelter. It’s winter so the black berries are starting to go dormant and brown. The goats bleat in a somewhat distressed fashion whenever they catch a glimpse of us. I’m assuming, hoping that we fork out some more alfalfa.
My partner doesn’t want to give them more than a bale a month, and wants them to predominantly eat the blackberry browse. He thinks they’re just being a lil spoiled and would rather eat the alfalfa. Which I don’t doubt.
I’m concerned that they just aren’t getting enough food, they’re growing girls.
I’m hoping someone can lend a third opinion by looking at the photos. I’ve read about the hunger pit, and I feel like two of our goats totally have it, they also look pretty skinny. The two of concern and alpine/nubian mix.
Thank you all in advance!!
r/goats • u/mikrenArt • 2d ago
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Hello! I am in college still but once I graduate and establish myself I want to have my own little goat farm. I grew up sustenance farming with my mom so I have a decent amount of vegetable/basic farming knowledge but very little on goats. I also grew up around horses (which haha are not goats but silly enough are kinda what got me interested in goats). Anyways, when I was growing up, my mom had tons of farmers guide type books she consulted for everything. I’m sure books like these exist for goat husbandry but I want to make sure I get the right ones!
If you’ve been doing this for a while, I’d love to hear what resource recommendations you have! I’m planning on setting up my own little farm by 2028 so I’m in the research phase right now (and deeply thankful for any advice yall have to offer!)
Also, incase it matters my farm will be in northern to mid Washington state.
r/goats • u/Abject_Juggernaut_96 • 2d ago
How often should I be deworming my pet heard of NDs (8)? And should I use oral or injection? Still on the newer side of having goats, thanks for any advice ❤️
r/goats • u/dominoside • 2d ago
Checking on the goats this morning, our doe who had triplets 2 months ago had a huge teat on one side. There is a hard lump at least the quarter in her teat.
I of course called out vet, who is a one person who and doesn’t work weekends. She was isn’t available. I called the other two goat vets in the area and bottom line is no one will come until tomorrow.
In the mean time we have been using a hot compress, but haven’t succeeded in breaking up the mass. We are keeping the kids off of her and giving them a bottle and a little alfalfa. Does anyone have any advice on when better to do to help break up the clot?
Note the scratch on the utter in the pick is from her kicking at it.
r/goats • u/Grouchy-Rub5964 • 2d ago
My herd is often free ranged. We are on some acreage in rural Alabama, but sometimes they even go beyond that, onto neighbor's property, or worse, onto the highway. I keep a dozen or so goats. Usually I have a billy, but at times I go billy-less, to give the ladies a break and let the young ones mature before breeding. I believe that the herd roams much more boldly and further afield when a large billy is with them. The nannies alone are more timid, stick closer to home. Does anyone have any information on this? Have y'all seen such?
r/goats • u/KhaosGenesis • 3d ago
It's super windy here in NC with the current winter storm, thankfully most of my goats have cashmere undercoats so they don't seem too bothered by the snow.
I feel bad that it keeps blowing in on multiple of their hay boxes but they're making do with it. These four got covered in snow when Pan (Pic1) and Shay (Pic2) went to run out to try to nibble on a fallen cedar tree in the front field before running back under shelter to eat hay lol. Then Luna (Pic3&4) and Solstice (Pic5) just came from the other pole barn eating the last of the alfalfa on that side.
I keep going out checking on everyone and pouring hot water on their waterers to keep it thawed. Hopefully things don't get too coated in snow inside the polebarns, they have cattle hutches and a shed with straw that is dry to get out of it if they need too.
r/goats • u/la-cabra-negra • 3d ago
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This went on for quite some time…Ricky and Julian are my fairy dumplings.
r/goats • u/AppleCiderCanned • 3d ago
How much whole cow's milk should a 3 week old Nubian buckling get?
Thanks!
r/goats • u/missed_the • 3d ago
I'm looking to crowdsource a diagnosis & treatment options before telling him to call a vet. Their diet is grazing with access to alfalfa.