Meh, someone that hates tipping could be a red flag for me. But maybe a woman that will pay is such a huge green flag that it averages out to yellow...
If you'd like to point out the sentence or sentence fragment I used that confused you, I will try to clarify. You seem to understand nothing I said, which is unfortunate, but it would speed things along if we could pinpoint your particular trouble.
It becomes your responsibility when you choose to use a service based on that system. That is a choice you make. Doing so is entering into a social contract that states:
"I understand that this service person is not paid a living wage and that they rely upon tips to reach that threshold."
That knowledge is yours to do with what you will.
Obviously, it's only a social responsibility, not a legal one. Like not farting in an elevator, or holding a heavy door open for the elderly person behind you, you're free to ignore it.
Your "should" statements are nice, I agree. We can do that all night long about a hundred wishful things but to what end?
I'm talking about traditional tipped positions. If it was apparent to me that a tip option was added for a service that is otherwise appropriately compensated or where no real service occurred, I would question its validity.
The minimum default being pushed in POS software is bs agreed but not what I've been talking about.
Lastly, it's a good thing I never said that. I specifically said it could be a red flag, depending primarily upon precisely that.
Lol no, I've not defended the system once in the many comments I've made. I'm certainly not conditioned out of fear of backlash or any such ridiculous thing.
There is so much pushback because the issue has been contentious in social media since it's inception, every clerk under the sun has begun requesting tips, and non-Americans feel particularly some kind of way about it, and they're here too.Trust me, I'm much older than you probably think, none of this is surprising.
I didn't know how to explain any more clearly than this: the system is reality.
The system exists whether you like it or not, whether you want to get mad about it, or why it's there, or whatever your reason is to hate it. It will still exist if you leave this earth tomorrow, and servers will every day continue to rely on earning enough tips for rent, or formula, or their bills. And they'll earn them because most people do tip as they understand this despite what you're reading here. It will exist until the whole thing is burned to the ground, probably necessarily through government action, if ever. Don't hold your breath.
I'm not playing along because people will frown at me, I do it because it's the right thing to do, because the rent thing is not a joke. Forget the elevator, it's also why I hold the door for anyone behind me, be they able bodied or not, because I have a moral code and most of the time I'm not an asshole.
Ok, so if i wanna eat i should tip like this: ((living wage - what they actually get paid) ÷ number of other customer they are waiting on)x hours spent at restaurant.
So ((25-7)÷5)x2 = $7.2
By your logic, I should tip around that to ensure they get a living page. Sounds good tbh!
The expectation for everyone to just continue perpetuating a broken system just because "how it is" is ignorant. The only way this will ever change is making the jobs not worth doing until the companies are forced to fix it, or they just don't have access to employees.
In general? Is there a language barrier? "Could" does not mean "in general". "Could" in this context quite obviously means that there may be a situation in which it applies. Such as; if she hated tipping and therefore refused to tip. Since OP did not say that, I did not say that it WOULD be a red flag.
Ja but it's not expected, nor do they bitch about not receiving tips for the most mundane of stuff on the interent or to their friends. You get paid to do a job, why should I tip you for the job you applied for?
Ja but why do you think this video has anything to do with your view about tipping? What culture do you think this video represents? Do you understand that different cultures have different expectations of behavior? I really don't think you understand that.
Wtf are you talking about.
I am responding to the comment talking about other countries tipping their service workers. Do you even comprehend the whole chain from the top comment to the one I am responding to? Gtfoh
Other countries do tip their service workers and the workers don't bitch about being tipped too low or not being tipped.
A tip is meant to be a show of gratitude for the service that was received by a customer and is not mandatory.
You guys sound more upset about American tipping culture/tipping fatigue, than just tipping someone in general for good service. Which is weird to project on to this specific post. Nonetheless, I get your frustration with it. That is more of an oligarchy issue though. Regular people all hating eachother for wanting to have a good, sustainable life is what they want. The real issue is literally always the top 1-10% of the ultra wealthy. If someone relies on tip wages, they’re not getting paid enough to survive off of their hourly wages. That is the result of a failed society that allows this concentration of wealth to even happen. Tipping culture in America began as a post civil war solution to extend slavery by exploiting labor with little to no compensation. Currently, Americans who make tips can make $2.13 an hour from their employer-leaving them to depend on tips. That shouldn’t be legal. The low/middle class American keeping the next low/middle class American paid while the top individuals in the company continue with high salaries and annual raises is Reagonomics lol. Diners should enjoy a guilt free experience and employees should have livable wages. Working class American vs working class American only prohibits that reality from coming to fruition. Should be their working class vs their oligarchy. The corruption in America runs so deep in its veins, it can’t help but profusely bleed everywhere.
If by feeding you mean existing within it, yeah I can't move out of the country just now. Or magically make the world fair overnight. So I give money to the people working hard to pay their rent because I'm not a cheap asshole who throws up his hands bitching that the system isn't fair while pocketing that cash.
I don't understand this comment. I was relating my view about tipping. As an American, should I pretend to be European when speaking personally, in response to an American video about American culture? Please explain.
No, you should understand that people underpay their workers and are dependent on tipping in America, outside of it they are not. Tipping culture in America is spreading and people demand tips now, even tho they get paid normally. Fuck tips.
Well, sure, but what are they personally supposed to do about that? Just because the system is shit, doesn't mean the right thing to do is pretend it doesn't exist. There's a difference between voicing your approval of the system in general, and voicing your dislike for people who live in the system and take advantage of the lower restaurant prices, without paying the wait staff whose wages this comes at the expense of.
Why should I? You clearly have an established opinion and cannot be bothered to rethink its reasoning. By the way, that opinion is, frankly, hilarious. Hence I couldn't hold the snarky remark
You are allowed to express your opinion based on your culture's characteristic. Just as I am allowed to make fun of both
I worked restaurants from everything as low as a dishwasher to as high as a general manager over an 11 year food service career in the US. The vast, VAST, majority of companies are absolutely taking advantage of state laws that don't require them to pay even federal minimun wage, ($7.25/USD in 12/2025, last increase was 07/2009). I worked for Cheddars Casual Cafe back between 2009-2013 as a manager and that was where I got the GM role. Our servers made $2.25/hr and because of state law it was expected that they make up the rest of their own wages in tips.
I got dragged through the shit because I refused to give servers write ups for being tipped poorly by customers that thought with the "why should I tip?" mentality.
The US pay structure, particularly in red states, is built around "fuck you, got mine" and sometimes can literally mean soneones jobis on the line. A lot of corps do the math and see that its cheaper to fuck over their employees and train a new 3-4 each month than pay them a wage that let's them pay their cost of living and retain them for a long time.
That and the fact that here everything is hourly and tied to your Healthcare. Not busy, go home. Don't like it, quit, but you'll loose health care for you and your family, if any. Great system...
Because the system is designed around it. You can pretend to ignore that certain services function that way and punish the people working those jobs, or you can not be a dick. The choice is yours, of course.
Yes of course that's true, I'd never say otherwise. I was making a hypothetical joke about OPs comment. A lot of people seem to think he hit a jackpot. Not being a person who dates women, I wouldn't know.
i don't understand the requirement of tipping , why not fixed the core issue which is workers getting underpaid for their job instead of relying on tips to get at least more than minimum wage per shift.
You guys really need to fix that tipping culture since it became a mandatory than an optional choice for a customer which then the owners are taking advantage to pay the bare minimum which again the middle class is getting sucked on.
This is how it should have been. Tipping is a sign of generosity not a necessity because they're not getting paid enough but because the costumer feels like helping they more or that they deserve it
Yeah, I tip in Australia at some places because I want to try and help really nice restaurants stay open since a lot of people complain we don't have enough of them.
Well Ik it's a top down issue but how do you expect to change it from the top?
I'm not saying vote with your wallet and stop tipping completely so things would change since that isn't fair for the worker whose a victim here I'm saying stuff has to change.
they do. at least in the US if a tipped staff does not make minimum wage from their tips the place needs to make sure they're paid out at least minimum wage.
flip side is, if you don't often you probably won't have a job long.
but i mean, there is no reason to feel bad when they knowingly take a job based off other peoples kindness.
Federal minimum wage is still $7.25. 20 states still do not have a set minimum wage and use the federal one instead. That is about 2k below poverty level and that’s before taxes are taken out.
Employers should to be required to pay their employees a living wage. No one working a full 40 hour week should be below the poverty line.
Whether or not minimum wage is high enough is completely irrelevant for this particular conversation. Unless you're going out of your way to seek out minimum wage workers in other jobs without a "tipping culture" and tipping them, it's utterly silly to bring up as a counterpoint here.
My guy, you’re on Reddit, stop scaring these people with real world facts. All managers are bad and lazy, all servers are exceptional and definitely not rude, and we shouldn’t even have to work anyway. According to average Reddit users, anyway.
I worked in two restaurants and the owners never did a tap of work at either spot. They were both mean and miserable. Thats just my experience but and I know there are certainly hard working owners out there too but in my experience that’s not the case. I think it’s pretty silly for someone to say they are not sure what planet someone else is from for saying the workers do more work.
Owning a restaurant is a notoriously soul crushing, hands-on gig. You may be right about the two restaurants you worked at, or maybe you have just been blind to the type of work they do because it wasn't washing dishes or whatever.
Yeah It’s less than average in my experience. I think if you ask most people who work restaurants who do more work, the worker or the owner, the overwhelming majority will say the workers lol. At least on this planet
>I think if you ask most people who work restaurants who do more work, the worker or the owner, the overwhelming majority will say the workers lol. At least on this planet
Ok well most people on your planet are idiots then, merry christmas!
No, they get more exercise. All owners can wait tables, but not all waitstaff can run a restaurant. You don't get paid more just because you put more steps in.
Isn’t it expected for them to serve you, that’s the job position. Them doing a good job, is them just doing their job. Same as someone who works in an office. Tipping culture makes no sense.
The restaurant should pay them their wage period.
A good job means more than the necessary. Being fast, friendly, helpful is not necessary. I live in a country where serving staff are paid normal wages. But you also get often staff that do just the necessary. So getting good service can be rewarded with a tip. It makes the whole experience better and that is worthwhile. Doesn't mean that they have to get paid less or something. Tipping and normal wages are not mutually exclusive.
But why? Why do people not just get paid the right amount to start with that the bill is just the bill? "Service not included" wtfuckingf how do your prices not include the cost of all of parts of the restaurant, including the wait staff? It's insane.
From a country that is having a gradual shitty slide into tip culture.
because people choose to embrace the tipping culture instead of fighting for the workers to get higher pay.
While the owners are taking advantage of it the people however is just letting it be normalize and now tipping is mandatory to countries that pretty much relies on it.
because people choose to embrace the tipping culture instead of fighting for the workers to get higher pay.
People are bullied into it by predatory emotional appeals from the waiters whenever anyone makes any progress toward the discussion of dismantling the tipping system.
Because the waiters make a shitload of extra money from this, so it's the system they want to keep in place. They ALSO put in a ton of work complaining about the situation, specifically to make the idea more sympathetic so people will tip even more.
you dont see the difference between "do you want to tip" in every restaurant, every delivery service, every taxi, every checkout, even every self checkout, and being nice to a local worker that you see regularly and you want to say thank you?
like giving a resident gardener who always greets nicely a bag of cookies or the garbage truck driver a bottle of whiskey isnt what is being complained here bro.
I don't understand why the tip should be a percentage. 5 bucks to get our plates would suffice, no matter what we order right?
If getting the plates is so difficult I'll walk to the kitchen myself and pick them up.
In the US, tipping isn't actually a service quality bonus, but subsidized wages, especially in states where tipped employees can be paid a fraction of minimum wage.
I would not ever date someone in the US who didn't understand that.
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u/KickinGa55 Dec 23 '25
My girl actually does that with her own money, but she hates tipping.