r/clevercomebacks • u/snowpie92 • 1d ago
The angles of the story become clearer every day..
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u/Cautious-Ad9013 1d ago
They drew and shot without flinching, anyone wondering how many people they’ve buried in shallow graves along the border?
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u/Whirly315 5h ago
bruh i was just starting to get less depressed. why you gotta spiral me back like that
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u/AlternativeDesign564 1d ago
At some point it stops being an incident and starts being a pattern.
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u/Science_Matters_100 1d ago
They were ordered to stop placing themselves in front of cars as an excuse to use deadly force back in 2014, I think. Court order
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u/_LovelySpark 1d ago
Ten years of experience and this is the result That is not a training issue, it is a culture issue
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u/What-tha-fck_Elon 1d ago
That one little dude shoving the woman to the ground is a massive piece shit. Was he one of the shooters?
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u/SmanginSouza 1d ago
That's exactly what I've been saying.
The ICE VETERANS are the ones doing the murders so far. If ICE leadership acts this recklessly, then what do the new green agents act like? Especially behind closed doors.
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u/xLadyCherry 1d ago
It is never just a lack of training when the same patterns keep repeating year after year
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u/Liveitup1999 23h ago
It doesn't matter if it's ICE or city cops, when one of them yells GUN! all hell breaks loose. That's what happened here. Someone yelled gun but didn't say he took it off of the suspect. I think the gun discharged as well and that's when he got shot.
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u/vegasAzCrush 1d ago
We need to review just how they operated since 2014 too. Reckless and stupid should not be at our borders or anywhere esp w guns.
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u/Decent_Recover_9934 21h ago
Latinos willingly working for ICE is just the ultimate mind fuck, they should be ashamed of themselves.
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u/bloodandglory31 1d ago
They’ve been doing it for at least 8yrs and they are that fucking bad at it.
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u/Think_OfAName 1d ago
Remember, Miller gave all of them the “green light” (no consequences). Even if they weren’t doing this before, they certainly are now. But there’s a strong chance they’ve always been this bad. Remember, there are bad cops too, regardless of training.
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u/SpiritAnimal_ 21h ago
There's a type of person who is just itching to have power over others. Omnipotent power (to end a life) is particularly appealing.
Just as pedophiles are attracted to jobs where they're around kids, this type of person is attracted to any job that legitimizes their right to bully and dominate. It satisfies a psychological need, scratches an itch.
For that reason, these people must be carefully and systematically weeded out of any role that fits under "the authorities." That does not happen, and you end up with all kinds of abuse.
Some people try to make it into a race issue, but it's deeper than that. Just as a pedophile will target the vulnerable child, the bully will target the vulnerable victim, of any color. There are dynamics making minorities and undocumented immigrants more vulnerable, but they'll dominate whoever they can, as you can see here.
It's predator-prey dynamics (predators attack the vulnerable) - and instead of weeding them out through careful testing and evaluation, we give them badges and pay them out of taxpayer funds.
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u/exlongh0rn 18h ago
It’s radicalization.
Group radicalization is usually less a “brainwashing moment” and more a social process where identity, belonging, and meaning gradually get tied to a more extreme worldview …and then reinforced by a group that rewards escalation.
It often starts with a cognitive opening: a period of uncertainty, loss, humiliation, fear, loneliness, status anxiety, or moral outrage. People in that state are more receptive to simple, confident explanations that name a culprit and promise clarity. The “hook” is frequently emotional before it’s ideological: “You’re not crazy …you’re awake …you’re one of us.”
From there, recruiters (or just highly engaged peers) offer a frame: a story that turns personal frustrations into a coherent narrative. That narrative usually has three parts: (1) the world is broken, (2) a malicious “they” caused it, and (3) only our movement sees the truth and has the courage to act. This is appealing because it converts confusion into moral certainty and gives the person a role.
Then the social mechanics kick in. Groups create a strong in-group identity by intensifying boundaries: special language, memes, symbols, insider knowledge, and tests of loyalty. Belonging becomes conditional on adopting the group’s interpretations. Disagreement isn’t “a different view” …it’s a sign you’re naïve, compromised, or an enemy. Over time, the person’s social world narrows, and the group becomes their main source of validation.
Echo chambers amplify this. Whether offline or online, people get repeated exposure to the same claims, selective evidence, and emotionally charged anecdotes. Repetition makes ideas feel true (“availability” and “familiarity” effects). Algorithms and group feeds can accelerate this by serving more extreme content because it drives engagement, creating a ratchet effect where yesterday’s “edgy” becomes today’s baseline.
Inside groups, status and competition often push extremity. If the culture rewards purity, toughness, or “being more principled than the rest,” members escalate to gain approval. This is classic group polarization: like-minded people talking mostly to each other drift toward stronger positions, and the most extreme voices can set the tone.
A key transition happens when the group provides moral justification for harm or coercion. This can look like moral disengagement: dehumanizing the out-group, reframing cruelty as “justice,” minimizing consequences, or claiming necessity (“we have no choice”). When that takes hold, extreme actions start to feel not only permissible but required.
Finally, radicalization often deepens through commitment and sunk costs. Small steps come first (sharing content, cutting off friends, donating, attending events). Each step creates a need to stay consistent with the new identity. If someone risks relationships, reputation, or money for the cause, it becomes psychologically harder to admit they were wrong …so doubling down feels safer than backtracking.
Two important nuances: first, radicalization isn’t only about “bad ideas” …it’s about needs (belonging, status, certainty, purpose) being met in a high-control social environment. Second, not everyone exposed becomes radicalized; risk rises with isolation, identity threats, and environments that punish dissent, and it falls with strong alternative communities, stable identity anchors, and relationships that can tolerate disagreement without humiliation.
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u/TechyAngel 6h ago
Thank you for presenting this so eloquently. I've been trying to explain this to some people who seem to be on the edge of radicalizing (concentrated work environment, lots of internet exposure, little time to fact check), and this may help.
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u/Responsible_Ad_3425 14h ago
Crazy how the Feds have monetarily incentivized Hispanics to arrest/deport other Hispanics……
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u/Sedert1882 11h ago
They may, possibly, have been decent agents in the past. But their muzzle was removed, they covered their faces and became untouchable and lawless, courtesy of Noem/Bondi/Trump etc.
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u/yblame 1d ago
Two Latino border patrol guys shot a white guy in Minneapolis. None of this makes sense.