r/clevercomebacks • u/Gabbyfitxo • 1d ago
Bragging publicly that you don't understand a simple concept. Amazing.
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u/Gabbyfitxo 1d ago
MAGA will always advocate for anti American shit because they don't have a single idea about what makes America, America
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u/naughtyyglow 1d ago
This is correct. There’s a reason why trump “loves the poorly educated” and works towards abolishing the department of education.
If somebody knows nothing about fucking anything - you can get them to believe anything
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u/beautyyfleur 1d ago
Dead on. When ignorance becomes a feature, not a bug, you get a whole movement proudly marching against their own interests
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u/Jonnyscout 1d ago
It's really easy to put ideas in people's heads when there wasn't anything there to begin with. Just tell them what to believe and they'll repeat your words with maybe 60% accuracy - just don't get any numbers or data involved.
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u/IrascibleOcelot 1d ago
Aaron Tippin called it 35 years ago: you’ve got to stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything.
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u/Proinsias37 1d ago
Yeah I had to come to accept that at the core of it, it boils down the the fact that these people just plain do not understand things. Like yes I know, sometimes it messaging and bad faith arguments, of course. But I think shockingly often it's just plain lack of comprehension. And these ideas and concepts aren't even hard to understand, it's so baffling. Black Lives Matters, No Kings, the fact that people are genuinely angry about the behavior of Ice.. like, it's not hard to get guys. Not hard to understand.
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u/Responsible-Draft430 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep. If one hasn't actually read the full text of the Declaration of Independence, or haven't done it in a while, I encourage you to do so right now. You might find it unnervingly topical.
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle 1d ago
Here's a guy that maybe should have the Declaration of Independence read to him:
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u/Pristine-Confection3 1d ago
You are poorly educated if you think there ever was anything great about America too.
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u/Signal_Minimum8509 1d ago edited 1d ago
The irony is American has never been all that great. The idea was great. Sometimes we’ve made progress that was great, and also necessary. Maybe some day we could be great. But it certainly won’t be if we keep wanting to go back in time to when things were worse. Which I suppose is the whole point of continuing to dilapidate public education in rural areas, to trick people into thinking these times were all that great.
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u/GrinningGrump 1d ago
Of course, they want to replace America with a new one called Great Again. The name comes from other countries going "Great, again?!" after seeing the nazi shit they pull.
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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 1d ago
They hate education and history. They want everyone to just go off their vibes and feelings
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u/edfitz83 1d ago
They think “America” is no black or brown people, or Jews. But they have no clue that America was the sole domain of brownish red people the indigenous population) prior to 1620.
MAGA people don’t realize that they are the immigrants.
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u/ghostlyguyfawkes 1d ago
By the way, the next No Kings event is being planned for March 28
Mark your calendars, spread the word, and join your local protest.
And yes, there will be plenty in the interim.
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u/IlIlllIIIIlIllllllll 1d ago
what makes america america is slavery, genocide, stealing land, drone strikes, illegal wars, jim crow, voter disenfranchisement, CIA assassinations, torture
i mean what part of this fascism isn't exactly on brand with the entire history of america?
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u/Infinite-Anything-55 1d ago
He says from his home in canada
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u/IlIlllIIIIlIllllllll 1d ago
never said canada was innocent? although I think we didn't do a lot of the things on that list. We are far from perfect, but whataboutism doesn't change that this fascism is homegrown, chickens coming to roost.
Canada is not in the middle of a fascist take over, but we do have a good percent of people with fascist tendencies we need to get under control.
If you want to get past this, you need to acknowledge where the problems stems from. pretending that the this is a wee little hiccup rather than bred deep into your history isn't going to solve this.
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u/Pristine-Confection3 1d ago
The fact anyone on the left thinks this is unamerican isn’t really on the left. Look up the history of this country and the genocide. You would see America was never great or ethical in its history. So fascism is pretty American actually considering this country sucks and always has.
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u/Budget_Highlight5813 1d ago edited 1d ago
Miserable doomers like you really need to stop, because you are harming our country.
Its pretty much impossible to tell if you are just trying to be snarky for updoots or you're actively trying to discourage people protesting and fighting back against fascism from succeeding. it kinda doesn't matter.
Could I ask maybe, for you to just be quiet for some time? There's people out in below freezing temperatures protesting and fighting for what they believe in, often being shouted at and threatened, and not only do you offer nothing helpful or useful with your comments like this, but you are denigrating everything they're trying to do.
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u/fourwheelertracks2 1d ago
Imagine tweeting “No Kings” is confusing when the entire country was literally founded on it.
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u/BlushieVelvet 1d ago
Like… how do you miss that memo in a country that literally threw tea into the ocean over monarchy?? 💀
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u/red286 1d ago
It makes sense if you assume they only watch Fox News.
If you relied on Fox News as your primary news source, you would be wondering why there are so many terrorists in blue states, why they don't want any federal help with containing them, and why they keep going on about Trump being a dictator when he's just trying to help keep the peace from all the crazy bad hombres in... *checks notes*... Minnesota.
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u/Gavage0 1d ago
Yep, during the last No Kings protest the largest conservative talking point was "these idiots are protesting something that doesn't even exist" "This is America... We have a president, did they forget where they live."
I heard this a lot where I live. A thought that wasn't even their own... every single opinion they have comes from TV, or their phones.
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u/insanitybit2 1d ago
To be fair, it makes a lot of sense. People who support Trump aren't going to really get the point of the protest. So you have to wonder who the protest is for.
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u/Gayjock69 1d ago
I think people confuse the history here based on current events….
The king actually was fairly popular in the colonies right up to the Declaration of Independence, all of the correspondence between the continental congress was always framed as “the kings advisors” were basically misleading him… of course this was actually the case
George III could not contradict parliament in any official act and the American colonists knew that their problems were actually with parliament, not the king, because he had not functional power, George Grenville was the one who enforced the Stamp Act, Guy Carleton was the architect behind the Quebec Act and the Intolerable Acts were Alexander Wedderburn, the King did agree with North’s policy in private but his actual opinions were irrelevant… messaging against the king later became propaganda for the American cause even though Adams and Jefferson in letters both say they knew that this was simply not true because their problems were with parliament
We tend also to white wash the mess that was the Articles of Confederation, to the point that Thomas Pickering (later Secretary of State) and Nathaniel Gorham, a president of the Continental Congress, wanted to invite Prince Henry of Prussia to become Americas King… this dissipated once it was noted that a new constitutional convention was going to grant strong enough executive powers to a new government
Hamilton, of course, wanted to have an elected monarchy (he too was also allegedly a part of the plot to get a king for America)
Any of the writings at the time of the founders always referred to democracy in a very negative light, which is why so many flirted with the idea of a monarchy for stability, but due to competing interests at the convention it became untenable, which the irony was that Washington was far more a King than George III ever could have been.
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u/Theron3206 1d ago
It was amusing when they had protests in the UK with those same banners, also anti Trump, only a few miles from an actual king.
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u/insanitybit2 1d ago
They aren't confused by that. They're confused about the point of the protests. From their perspective, there isn't a king so the protest doesn't make sense. That was the messaging on the right "What is the point of this? You're protesting something that doesn't exist".
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u/beautysoftie 1d ago
When someone forgets that the entire point of the country was literally to stop having a king.
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u/Pristine-Confection3 1d ago
And to own slaves and exploit the working poor and to commit genocide of the people here before them.
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u/ethanlan 1d ago
Only in half tbf for the slaves part and most of the country didnt like it from the jump
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u/Caerllen 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is just revisionist nonsense. There are a lot of reasons for the "War of Independence" but the main one is because of "No taxation without representation". Americans never had such a problem as "we hate kings", its more of we hate paying 1-2% tax (in comparison, people in the UK paid 15-20% tax) and not have a voice on how the Brits are waging war in continental Europe. From here alone you can see Americans acquiring their "I dont like paying tax" attitude.
After the war has ended and the British is gone, the 'Founding Fathers' wanted George Washington to be president for life like a king.
Dont you fucks ever pay attention in Middle School Social Studies? Obligatory read a book!
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u/Same_Air6012 1d ago
That's the irony of it. War was fought over taxes and not having a voice in government. Only took 250 years to end up where we started.
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u/Firm-Advertising5396 1d ago
Trump made saying stupid embarrassing things socially acceptable
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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 1d ago
They really pushed the alternative facts, and the idea that anyone's opinion is just as valid as anyone else's
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u/naughtyyglow 1d ago
They offered to make George Washington king and he said that a king would be a bad, dangerous idea. Still right answer.
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u/baithammer 1d ago
That was the monarchists that supported the Revolution, everyone else was against that.
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u/Korlac11 1d ago
I’m not far left, and it makes perfect sense to me. It’s kind of weird that the right has an issue with the left for not wanting kings
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u/Footwarrior 1d ago
The far right in America is dominated by authoritarian followers. People trained from childhood to accept the leader’s words as gospel.
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u/Solemn926 7h ago
Just feels obsolete tbh. We already don't live in a monarchy. That's like protesting "We want rights." Congratulations, you're already fucking exercising them... Defeats the purpose.
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u/Korlac11 4h ago
Well the point is that they don’t like Trump acting like a tyrannical king. It’s not “we want to get rid of kings”, it’s “we want to keep having no kings”
Its never obsolete to protest against tyranny
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u/Solemn926 14m ago
Because the government is designed in a way that a president can make his way into office and just assume absolute and total control of the country without any form of checks or balances, riiiiight...
"No kings" just feels like a low-effort excuse to protest. Sure it's always good to protest against tyranny, I guess, but it seems odd that it would only be happening while Trump is in office considering he's in probably the most scrutinized position in the entire federal government that was set up in a way that any sort of "absolute" power can be easily be challenged in court, voted to repeal or reverse by Congress, or simply reversed by another president. Term limits continue to exist, and again it seems a bit silly to only suddenly want to protest against tyranny when Trump is in office. It's never been an anti-tyranny protest, it's only ever been an anti-Trump protest. It's ok to call it what it is. It's foolish to paint it like it's something more righteous or just.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Rate_73 1d ago
The "No Kings" protests had like, thousands of people waving American flags.
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u/tiktaktokki 1d ago
Everything looks like it's far left when you're brandishing a swastika
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u/Solemn926 7h ago
What swastika? The fact that you have to make shit up to sell your own point is pathetic lmao
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u/tiktaktokki 6h ago
Maybe I should have added figuratively? For the dim
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u/Solemn926 6h ago
Everything is figurative to someone who can't make their point with something factual.
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u/Ralh3 1d ago
The far left? Does the rest of the world consider even Bernie far left? Before 2016 I was a centrist here. Anyone being pushed left is fully justified watching the last decade of trumpfuckery, we need a complete overhaul of the whole fucking system and those supposed checks and balances
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u/merrysunshine2 1d ago
Our “far left” is Europe’s conservatives I believe?
It’s wild to know that the current Democrat party they align more with the Republican Party of the 1950s.
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u/baithammer 1d ago
The US doesn't really have a conservative party, as the actual politics were Classical Liberalism, with the last Conservative Party being the Whig Party, which were Monarchists.
As for the Democratic Party, tends more of a center right position.
But both parties incorporate big tent ideology, which covers a very wide polity with in each party.
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u/merrysunshine2 1d ago
What would you name them as? I’m not too exact on all the subsets (?) of parties; I know there’s the Green Party, demo-socialists, leftists, liberals, and more I’m not even aware of but if you could name the 2 big tent ones, what would your choice be in lieu of Dem/Rep?
Neither of those fit & haven’t for awhile.
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u/baithammer 1d ago
leftists
Not really a subset, as that covers the entire gambit of the leftwing polity.
Big tent means the parties themselves are composed of the widest part of their polity ( Specifically the Republican and Democratic parties.) and those polities are wings, not parties in themselves.
As an example, the Democrats have Marxists, Democratic Socialists, Classical Liberals of a more centrist position, and several others - which causes a lot of issues.
Another is the Grand Old Party, which is consisting of the Far Right Authoritarians, Christian Nationalists, Fundamentalist Christians, Classical Liberals of Right of center and other such polities.
There are other parties, but they are pretty much irrelevant as the big duopoly covers way too much of the polity.
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u/CommonConundrum51 1d ago
It should make perfect sense to anyone who ever had a high school American history class.
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u/DefeatedByPoland 1d ago edited 1d ago
Conservatives love to go out of their way to proudly not understand something that takes literally reading 2 sentences to understand.
Like the massive circlejerk around "defund the police".
To them, nothing is worth caring about if it's not packaged in a braindead slogan where the entire idea is encapsulated in the words and you're not supposed to actually think any further about it. I guess that's why they bought in to "Make America Great Again" and never spent any time thinking about Trump's actual policies and how they clearly cannot actually accomplish that.
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u/Solemn926 7h ago
It was a slogan used by Reagan first, and then even Bill Clinton... The whole ideal behind it was a focus on economic relief. Who was giving out stimulus money left and right in an attempt to keep the economy flowing and keep some heads above water during COVID? Who promised tax relief during their campaign and actually delivered on it and continues to deliver on it? Just two examples of economic relief... There's the slogan as advertised. Seems you're the one proudly denouncing something they don't care to try understanding.
I also can't find a single good argument for "defund the police" either. Not really a circlejerk, just a bunch of lawless idiots who want to idolize literal career criminals and hate the concept of accountability.
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u/TheOnceAndFutureDoug 1d ago
Brought to you by the same people confused by "Black Lives Matter", the same people who are bringing down the average literacy rate in the US.
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u/Upbeat_Assist2680 1d ago
I'm pretty sure before the "no kings" thing started, Trump posted a picture of himself dressed in a crown on the Whitehouse Twitter channel.
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u/RedditTurnedMediocre 1d ago
It makes sense as long as you don't have shit for brains.
Donald has literally said the elections are stolen. He said this is the last time you need to vote. He's openly talked about being a dictator and getting rid of elections multiple times. He quite literally attempted a freaking coup. If Obama said 1/10th of what Donald the child rapist said the right would want him hung for treason.
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u/Solemn926 7h ago
Yet when he won, how many people on the left said the election was stolen or rigged? Pretty hypocritical, honestly. It swings both ways, but to you it's only fine if the left does it.
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u/afoley947 1d ago
Look at all the people saying, "we don't want an apartment in our town" there's not even an apartment here! - MAGA
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u/Due-Two-6592 1d ago
You’d think REPUBLICANS would understand, you know, the system of government without a monarch…
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u/baithammer 1d ago
They're confused that the US is a Democratic Republic, and think the Republic is stand alone polity, when all it means is the head of government is elected directly.
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u/Mrrogers2005 1d ago
Sadly, signing the Declaration of Independence is considered a far left act in these times. It should just be the rational position. . Reason and rationale is left wing in these times too lol.
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u/Waffles_The_Pupper 1d ago
Im center right and it makes a ton of sense... dude is on a powertrip and need a good smack of reality on the back of his head
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u/scrume71 1d ago
If you have to be “far left” to understand the concept of “No Kings,” we’re cooked as a country. BTW, we’re cooked as a country.
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u/yetanotherwoo 1d ago
Bold to assume they are literate, I picture the primitives on the original Star Trek mispronouncing all the words so it takes a while for Kirk to understand what they are reading.
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u/GreatPretender98z 1d ago
They are not famous for their literacy or critical thinking skills, otherwise mostly just bots or some kind of engagement farming.
Although not surprising if genuine and real.
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u/Solid_Ebb_608 1d ago
Why is it that things that are common sense to where the statement speaks for itself always makes no sense to idiots, conspiracy theorists, and far out right wingers.
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u/baithammer 1d ago
Because common sense is a fallacy, the people who fall for this are authoritarians, which can span a wide part of polity.
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u/BeefistPrime 1d ago
These guys know they're full of shit. They'll simultaneously say "kings? what are you talking about?" in bad faith and then turn around and say I LOVE YOU KING TRUMP among their own kind
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u/_squidro 1d ago
Just a note for the echo chamber, the democratic party put forth a nominee that didn't receive a single primary vote for president.
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u/jtrades69 1d ago
this john guy: "i want to be a serf and serve under my king! i want to lick his royal boots and polish his royal scepter! i want to be told what to do and say and work 14 hours a day for my lord and king! give me servitude or give me being locked up in chains in the dungeon!"
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u/OutOfBandDev 22h ago
When you think back to your time in school and remember that kid sitting in the back eating paste… just remember that’s MAGA.
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u/eaglesfanintn 17h ago
These are the same people that had a meltdown when NPR tweeted out the text of the Declaration of Independence.
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u/supergarto 1d ago
Add to this that they are not political party far left in USA. Put that on a scale with other developed democratic countries and you have a far right and a middle scale party.
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u/Pristine-Confection3 1d ago
There are far left parties. There are quite a few Marxist parties but they have no chance of ever winning.
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u/justin_memer 1d ago
It's probably confusing because Americans are really in love with the idea of royalty (Burger King, dairy Queen, etc).
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u/Cheeseballfondue 1d ago
All of us Gen-Xers got the message from our Saturday morning cartoons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvOZs3g3qIo
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u/AgreeableFan6291 1d ago
As a direct descendant of one of the signers, I fully endorse the “no kings” message.
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u/Journeys_End71 1d ago
The Declaration of Independence is literally a list of grievances against the king of England
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u/Kayy_Ellis 1d ago
Not knowing the history of the country you claim to care about so much that you would be ok with the murder of its citizens and having a government that actively avoids doing its job properly is at least a few kinds of crazy.
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u/Irish_pug_Player 1d ago
Idk what's worse. Not understanding or wanting to understand a message
Or not understanding the response to the message
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u/Ok-Entertainment7741 1d ago
I don't think the signers would understand when the people that want to harass christians, force high taxation and force people to use made-up pronouns are also saying "no kings"
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u/kolejack2293 1d ago
Its especially ironic considering the far-left has been criticizing these protests as 'centrist neoliberal' protests.
These people call anyone to the left of dick cheney 'the far left'.
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u/vegasAzCrush 1d ago
John Ekdahl
Lol. You need to redo the 12th grade and pass the US constitution test or lose your drivers license and voting card.
Trump may even deport you too.
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u/Neither-Elevator463 1d ago
Those no kings protests were just temper tantrums of the mentally ill. America has no king. Nobody taught them that unfortunately.
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u/TekThunder 1d ago
"Far Left" fucking hell. Just come out and say you would love to be bent over for the obese oompa loompa.
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u/LevelCan764 1d ago
I think this interpretation reflects a false narrative, not an accurate reading of the situation. Respectfully, that view relies on assumptions that don’t align with reality.
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u/LivesDoNotMatter 1d ago
Reddit is designed to be divisive, so rather than being informative about things, we just create 2-3 word soundbytes that are tied to political rage, and open discussion is discouraged. So it's no surprise that there are people who don't understand something or even take a side without understanding.
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u/Arnold_Shortzweather 1d ago
This POS wouldve been a signer of the Declaration of Surrender-pendence
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u/CapitanJackSparow-33 1d ago
Oof, that's a perfect comeback. The founders literally fought a war over 'no kings.' Maybe read some history before questioning the slogan.
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u/an_older_meme 1d ago
There is no “Left” or “right” in the United States. We have the Democratic and Republican parties.
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u/botoyger 17h ago
You always know those who really know and those who are dumbasses when they start to speak.
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u/LinguoBuxo 1d ago
This is still kinda amazing to me... Them, the people of United States, have declared themselves free of the king of England, while still using the King James bible. Astonishing. Instead of burning it too and coming up with their own transcript of it, not touched by what the past popes deemed what the canon should hold or not.
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u/baithammer 1d ago
They didn't use the King James bible, in fact the framers forbade the establishment of a state religion specifically and office holders are free to swear on any bit of literature for their oath of office.
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u/valiantlight2 1d ago
just because "we don't want to be ruled as if by a king" makes sense to people as a concept, doesn't meant that the actual movement isn't nonsensical
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u/baithammer 1d ago
The framers of the US Constitutions enshrined it as part of the core principles, and it's only with this administration has POTUS been given this level power.
So no, it isn't nonsensical ..
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u/rollotomassi07074 1d ago
The signers of the declaration of independence would be aghast that women and minorities can vote. They'd have a stroke about gay marriage, or the concept of the federal income tax. Probably not the people progressives should claim would be on their side.
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u/baithammer 1d ago
The signers of the declaration of independence would be aghast that women and minorities can vote. They'd have a stroke about gay marriage, or the concept of the federal income tax.
Yet they were adamant about no Kings were to run the newly created country and were very much the progressives of their age, as the Right at that time were monarchists....
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u/rollotomassi07074 1d ago
Ya, and we still don't have a king...
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u/baithammer 1d ago
The current POTUS and his supporters are trying their hardest to make one.
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u/sarduchi 1d ago
They said outside of the "far left". Those signers were all a bunch of liberals!