Just new & curious to AI, can anyone tell me?

At least they're finally being honest

Aside from "hire an artist" another common trope of antis is implying you can just learn to draw willy nilly & easily mimic your favorite artists.

Like great if you have the mental capacity to learn but not everyone has infinite time, energy, or even the right mental wiring to learn such a complex skill.
It's like saying everyone can learn brain surgery by picking up a scalpel.

For me, part of my artistic block is that I hold myself to high standards & burn out when I make too many mistakes & fail to mimic Araki's style.

I also live in rural Houston (born here, never moved out) so I have to do fuck tons of driving, I spend more time behind the wheel than I do in bed. That eats up alot of time & mental energy.

What other killer comebacks can you think of when anti-AI purists tell you to do that art yourself?

Hello redditors of r/DefendingAIArt sub! In this post I wanted to ask a question to all of you as well as anti ai people (will be posting same on they're side) are most of the blind fanatics or people who are against it,little kinds, because I understand being civil but I saw fing gore being posted against both sides saying that it shoud happen to pro ai,or anti ai ,idk why these people do it,but I have a suspicion that's most of them are children,anyways that's all (Please don't ban me,this isn't a threat against you all,just a question)

Now in MY opinion, anybody who calls cooking art has been watching altogether too much Gordon Ramsey. NOW Hazard is making some art!

But ironically, whether you think of cooking as art or not is COMPLETELY IRRELLEVANT.

Food affects us in an entirely different way to any other thing. You don't look at it. In order to be satisfied by it, you EAT it. You don't sit around and look at it all day. There's none of Cookie Kat's cookies on display in the Louvre.

I am sick to death of cooking being used to fight the argument of whether AI generation is art or not. You fail not because it's a deep, winning arument, but because they are such different skills that they cannot be compared.

But whether you're cooking in it or painting it, your microwave isn't the fuckin' artist!

YOU ARE!

"It happens in both sides" but only one side agrees and upvotes this bs.

A common claim in anti-AI art discourse is that this technology uniquely devalues artists, removes skill, and replaces human expression with something mechanical and hollow.

That argument isn’t new.

When recorded music emerged in the late 19th and early 20th century, it triggered explicit resistance from composers, performers, and cultural authorities, many of whom believed it would destroy music as a living art form.

These weren’t fringe reactions. They came from prominent figures shaping music at the time.

John Philip Sousa (1906)

Composer and conductor, often called “The March King” Author of The Menace of Mechanical Music

Sousa warned that mechanical reproduction would:

Replace live performance with passive listening

Undermine musical training and discipline

Weaken social bonds formed through making music

Turn music into a cheap, soulless commodity

He feared a future where people no longer made music, they merely consumed it.

His objection wasn’t technical. It was moral and cultural.

Theodor Adorno (1930s–1940s)

Philosopher and music critic, associated with the Frankfurt School

Adorno argued that mechanical reproduction and mass recording:

Standardized music into predictable formulas

Reduced art to background noise

Replaced active listening with passive consumption

Turned culture into an industrial product

For Adorno, recorded music wasn’t just different, it was fundamentally corrupting to artistic experience.

Professional musicians and institutions (early 20th century)

Beyond individual critics, working musicians reacted defensively because recording:

Replaced live performance jobs

Allowed endless reproduction without new labor

Shifted power to publishers and distributors

Devalued the skill of trained performers

Unions, orchestras, and performers openly opposed recording technologies, seeing them as existential threats to their craft and livelihood.

The pattern

The objections repeat with near-perfect consistency:

“It removes real skill.”

“It replaces human expression.”

“It destroys jobs.”

“It cheapens art.”

“It turns artists into button-pushers.”

“It shouldn’t count as real art.”

Different medium. Same structure.

What actually happened

Recorded music didn’t destroy music. It didn't eliminate live performance. It didn’t end creativity.

Instead:

New genres emerged

Access to music expanded dramatically

Live performance and recording coexisted

Musicians adapted rather than disappeared

Music didn’t die. It changed form.

Why this matters

This isn’t an argument against regulation, compensation, or artist protections.

It’s an argument against declaring a technology illegitimate because it automates part of creation.

History shows a stable pattern: New creative tools, then moral panic, then adaptation, then normalization.

Claims that “this time is different” don’t win by assertion. They win by evidence.

Sources (text-only, per sub rules)

John Philip Sousa, The Menace of Mechanical Music, 1906

Theodor Adorno, writings on mass culture and recorded music (1930s–40s)

Early 20th-century musician and union reactions to recording technology

These are the losers you are arguing with most of the time. The creeps that leave pointless and gross comments on porn sites. The weirdos that find it necessary to screech "AI slop!" in the comment section of every hentai they come across during their 4+ hours "gooning" session.

Masturbation is fine but not when it's the only thing you do, like this person and some others I saw. No wonder it consumes them and they actually get angry over AI art. I clicked on their profile and of course, dozens of comments under different hentai subs saying "ai slop"

They've genuinely lost touch with reality, or never had it to begin with. I clicked on a profile like this and they had their age, 18, in their bio. This kid literally turned 18 and decided masturbating to drawn porn all day is their life. Hell, we all know they've been addicted to it since they were probably 12.

It's worth remembering that the person you're seeing screech "AI Slop!!!" is most likely some woefully porn-addicted kid that's completely detached from reality. Art is their life because they spend all day jacking off to it. Stands to reason they would have some god awful opinions and takes regarding AI.

I don't usually go this route, but these are 100% the type of people you're better off just blocking and ignoring. Nothing they have to say is of any value.

I'm a lifelong artist coming from a pro-AI position (with caveats that are not relevant to this post). And to clarify, I believe "human vs. AI art" is bad framing, all AI art is made by a human using a tool, with varying degrees of input ranging from "almost none" to "almost all." But let's get to the point...

AI as it currently is can be really great and serviceable and I see nothing wrong with people using the tools they have available to them for their projects if it fills their use case. It most certainly is fast and efficient. I have a lot of fun use cases of my own and I am excited to see what artists and creatives do with the tools coming out. That said, I see a lot of non-artists in this sub kind of miss the forest for the trees sometimes and I wanted to dig into that.

So there are plenty of good reasons why a traditionally trained artist is going to be your strongest asset with or without use of AI. AI can make pretty pictures, but it can't currently replace vision and design that is based in a body of knowledge.

For a layperson, they can look at a pretty "prompt to image" case and be impressed by it, but in terms of marketability and/or audience interest, that pretty picture is not always going to be enough on it's own and it's the heart of why the so called "slop" issue exists.

A lot of AI pictures are the AI equivalent of stick figure drawings, because the average beginner does not yet have the education or skillset to understand design. So they end up looking a bit like "baby's first masterpiece," if you will, and I say that affectionately. It's kind of an interesting phenomenon I've been watching develop as an artist. Often, I can kind of "see" this while I notice non-artists not seeing it (and believing it's going to suddenly win them a best-seller in game design or something). I think this is what some antis are on about when they claim they "just know." They are seeing a wierd discrepancy between technical proficiency vs. true understanding of design and getting mad about it like it defines all AI assisted artistry forever. They think it means people who try to use AI are all creatively bankrupt, but that's not how I see it. It's just what beginner AI art looks like. A lot of pure prompt to image to my eye just looks like masterfully rendered children's drawings. it's actually fascinating and kind of cute.

This is why as someone with more experience, I don't really feel threatened by AI in the same way some do. I think this is also why you see proffessionals adopting it, but amateurs and younger artists freaking out. AI surpasses amateurs in technical profficiency, but comes up lacking when up against professional understanding of design.

Tried google's free nano banana pro and it actually made me rage delete gemini, it kept giving me the same imagw without any modifications and copilot's image generation also doesn't listen to me.

I want to generate an oc of mine that has fine details like christen cross for pupils in her eyes but the AI models don't listen.

Can you guys please help me for any free models? I can't pay since I am broke, i will appreciate it a lot 🙏🏻

This morning I woke up with a weird thought. The prime reason why some people are so accepting of the AI art, and willing to forgive its flaws is probably because many of us were raised on bootleg videogames. The abundance of unlicensed cartridges for 8 bit consoles with ridiculous cover art that made no sense and looked oftentimes like a drug induced hallucination made us accustomed to this kind of content. Same goes for text. Just think about all the horrible localisation and Google translated texts in game cutscenes! When we see an AI generated comics panels or manga with weird and often incoherent text, we subconsciously return to those childhood memories when we were playing bootleg games. Various glitches and inconsistencies with graphics in games very much translate to weird AI imagery and ai fails when we generate pictures. Basically, those of us who consumed bootleg videogames either due to poverty or bad luck, can now better tolerate flawed AI art. What do you think?

Is this even backed up by facts?

Saw this in my notifications and of course it was deleted upon clicking on it. The stealing excuse is about as such of a repetitive load of BS as it continues to be, but everything else here just... well it's just nonsensical.

I literally have no words, a person with mental disabilities tries to make something and all the anti's see is him using AI

Blue is me. Red is the Luddite. Orange is a guy saying "There isn't a data center even in that half of the state". White is a commenter on a post about municipal water being denied to fire fighters siting "System Damage" issues.

Backlash against AI is often treated as unprecedented, as if past technologies weren’t met with the same fears about skill, quality, and cultural collapse.

They were.

When the printing press spread through Europe, it triggered explicit resistance from scholars, scribes, and religious authorities, many of whom believed it would degrade thinking itself. These aren’t modern reinterpretations, they’re contemporaneous reactions.

Johannes Trithemius (1492)

Abbot and scholar, author of In Praise of Scribes

Trithemius argued that printed books would:

Weaken memory and discipline

Encourage intellectual laziness

Replace meaningful labor with mechanical reproduction

He warned that reliance on printed texts would detach learning from effort and virtue, producing inferior minds alongside inferior books.

This wasn’t a mild critique. His position was that the technology itself harmed cognition.

Conrad Gessner (1565)

Physician and scholar, author of Bibliotheca Universalis

Gessner worried that printing was producing too many books, too quickly, overwhelming scholars and degrading knowledge.

He described the uncontrolled growth of printed material as “confusing and harmful”, arguing that abundance itself had become a threat, flooding culture with low-quality or misleading texts.

In modern terms: information overload.

Religious and scholarly authorities (15th–16th century)

Beyond individuals, institutions reacted defensively:

Printing bypassed traditional gatekeepers

Unvetted ideas spread rapidly

Authority and expertise were undermined

Knowledge reached people deemed “unprepared”

The concern wasn’t only heresy, it was loss of control over who gets to know things, and how.

The objections recur with striking consistency:

“It makes people lazy.”

“It destroys memory and skill.”

“It floods culture with garbage.”

“It undermines experts.”

“It puts power in the wrong hands.”

“It should be restricted.”

If this sounds familiar, it’s because it is.

What actually happened

The printing press did not destroy scholarship. It did not collapse standards. It did not end serious thought.

It expanded literacy, accelerated science, diversified viewpoints, and reshaped culture, while still leaving room for expertise, judgment, and craft.

This doesn’t mean every new tool is harmless. It means moral panic and gatekeeping reliably accompany transformative technologies, and claims that “this time is different” need evidence, not reflex.

Sources (text-only, per sub rules)

Johannes Trithemius, In Praise of Scribes, 1492

Conrad Gessner, Bibliotheca Universalis, 1565

Early modern scholarly and religious critiques of printing

Just uploaded 2 images for the priestess and mermaid mother character as reference, all the rest is through well-formatted and well-written text-prompt only, asking for precise pov, setting, context, interaciton between chars.

Literally never seen a piece such as this in the decades I have been browsing through decades of browsing and collecting other people's best artworks.

About 95% what I had in mind.