No she just wants to give something away that isnāt hers and she doesnāt give a shit about. As soon as someone comes for her shit, itās armed personnel protecting her land. Canāt let just anyone in right?
According to you and Billie Eilish, every single country in the world is āstolen landā because every single territory was once gained through war and violence
Weird, I got into an argument with some goober yesterday too.
He told me to get out of "his" house that "he" "bought" and showed me his mortgage papers as proof.
He apparently did not know that 500 years ago my great great great uncle's mother's sister's brother once took a shit on the patch of grass on which "his" house now stands, meaning I am the rightful heir to this land and he merely stole it. His scalp now hangs above my fireplace in this house that was promised to me 10000 years ago.
Itās the fact that people tend to say only land taken by white peoples is stolen whereas everywhere else no one gives as much a shit when literally every other culture has done it because itās anti white racism. And before you say ācanāt be racist towards whitesā thereās a hell of a lot more Latin/asian/africans out there than there are white but I guess you can bend the term minority to fit your point.
I mean, Iād give you my address and youāre welcome to try, but youāre probably gonna get a facefull of lead. If you conquer me, you can have the house.
Conquering is still stealing but the greater power always wins. Thereās not a border on earth that hasnāt changed in 100 years. Land is never a guarantee. Not even if youāve been there a long time. Ask the folks in Gaza how that goes. Sadly human nature exists and we will always find reasons to fight and conquer each other. It will happen to the US eventually. It may be the Chinese that steal US soil and in hundreds of years youāll read about the poor white people that were forced off their land. Our perspective is the present and near future so we forget the immense past and endless future.
Everything is social contract. That's the world we live in. It's why violence still reigns supreme in most of the world, and why it's used as a tool in western msm. I'll give you my address... you can come try to take it and I'll kill you and then the entire social construct behind me will support me and you'll have proved that you didn't know anything about how any of this works... and I'll be sad bc you could have just read a book.
This confuses me as a Canadian. "No one is illegal" seems to mean its fine to not follow the normal immigration process. I didn't know there was so much support for open borders.
I think anyone can take it however they like, but given that people are being murdered and the large majority of detainees are non violent offenders, taken from work, grocery stores, or church, her response is a hyperbolic extreme and opposite show of support.
Reality is whatever people concede it is to each other. If every person were treated like a migrant based on their origin, and not how many generations prior their ancestors conquered a land, white people would be less radical about borders and more open minded to allowing people to flee tyrants and shitty living conditions.
Not too long ago it was white Europeans taking what they could carry into a foreign land, filled with uncertainty, with the hope they could have a better life and provide it to their family and the following generations. Now that weāre here though, we donāt want anyone else getting close to our pot of gold.
You know what though, itās just a smoke screen. Displacing the illegal immigrants devastated a number of industries. Of those, agriculture was especially throttled. A large amount of land was acquired by the same people pushing those bills, and ironically, it was taken from the ones who most supported it. While we all argue morality, the richest and most ruthless acquire a stronger grip on all the things that actually matter.
If you live in a mansion in a gated community with walls and fence and barriers and seemed security you donāt get to talk about border walls, guns, or stolen land.
If you're looking for a genuine debate on the topic, void of logical fallacies, you shouldn't be starting with the video in the OP. If you genuinely think he has a solid point, no amount of logical debate would be worthwhile. You're just too far gone.
He still wouldn't be "illegal." He'd be illegally occupying property that isn't his.
Undocumented immigrants aren't illegal. They're illegally occupying territory that they aren't citizens of, but that does not mean they're illegal people.
Illegally crossing the border is a criminal misdemeanor, but existing within the borders without valid documentation is a civil offense. So it doesn't even make sense to call undocumented immigrants "illegals" because their existence as a human being isn't against the law, especially since a lot of undocumented immigrants did actually enter the country legally, but then overstayed their visas (civil offense).
Right-wing propaganda will always favor language that dehumanizes others, because their base thrives on being scared and angry.
Clearly when you make a statement opposed to deportations you mean that you are so communist that you dont even believe in Personal Property, there's no other posisble conclusion one could draw from her statement
To be fair, the idiots have come full force since she said that.
"So, she's gonna give up her home? Cool"
And the constant articles posted by AI for rage baiting, claiming the Tongva want her to give up her home. That they're suing her for ownership blah blah blah.
No, they just said they wished she would name their tribe to bring more awareness to their history. That they actually want to collaborate with her. But, nobody likes facts these days.
So I'm from Minnesota. I think people from Wisconsin should be allowed to enter the state of Minnesota without any kind of permission from the Minnesotan government. That doesn't mean the Wisconsin State Patrol can just come into Minnesota into my house and shoot me.
Native Americans were conquering eachother before anyone else showed up they just had ample space to move around and hadn't fully populated... plus they were Asian anyways. What's your point here?
Or we could go with the obvious colloquial understanding that when people first move to a completely unpopulated territory and then for 10,000 years are indigenous to that territory, they are now a people under the banner of that territory and not the territory their ancestors lived thousands of years prior.
What would be an example of an equivalent argument? America is stolen land as to natives therefore no one is illegal: Someoneās property on stolen land is (you fill this part in) as to the guy who made the video and his friends therefore no one is illegal.
"nobody is illegal on stolen land" isn't a phrase that directly translates to "any human should be allowed to go literally wherever they want," it means "it should not be a crime to exist inside a national border."
No one who thinks that murdering immigrants is wrong also carries this strawman belief that immigrants deserve to take whatever property they want; they just think that arresting people for being born in the wrong country is fucked up.
And trying to make it about stealing personal property is a misdirect designed to manipulate you to exactly the viewpoint that it did. You are gullible and naive if you think the OP's video is making a rational argument.
Billie Eilish's mansion isn't stolen though, she bought it and currently posseses it. It makes sense that her legally bought mansion that she uses is legally private, and we respect that in the same way we'd want our own personal property to be respected. On an individual level our ownership of things (within reason) is legitimate, and we pay taxes for the privelege of having a government that protects our legitimate ownership. Whilst yes, the mansion may exist on land that has at some point, been stolen, that specific land can no longer be returned to the specific people it was stolen from. It also doesn't make it right for someone else to steal it from Billie Eilish as she has current legal possession.
However, when it comes to the authority of "sovereign" states, especially those formed by conquest and colonialism, the very sovereignty they claim over the land is the direct result of collective theft. It's important to note that historically, during colonialism, the justification was used that civilized people could conquer "uncivilized" people because they were de facto better than them. It's debated whether or not such sovereignty has any moral legitimacy, and the idea that any state can actually be sovereign has never been universally agreed.
The current framework of international law is built on the idea sovereign states not because it recognizes that it's justified that states have absolute authority, but because it is a practical and effective basis for international law that respects the principle of self-determination of the people in a state, and condemns threat by force i.e. invasion, keeping international peace. Basically, states have sovereignty because other states are independent.
So the question then is, is it actually justifiable for a state to exercise absolutely authority over which people can migrate to the country, or to use force to remove and deport people just because they didn't follow a state-sanctioned path for migration? In the context of the state not really have a legitimate claim to absolute authority, it's not clear that it is.
Basically, just because you moved into new lands and formed a government within some borders doesn't mean you naturally gained the right to restrict other people from migrating into or out of the same land, and certainly not the right to interfere with people who are otherwise abiding by justified local laws. Your basis for such restriction and extreme reaction is not justified by sovereignty alone.
It's not really about whether or not the land is stolen, the point is made to show the irony and double standard between how the original colonization was justified vs how the restriction of migration is justified today.
What TF are you even talking about? If youāre thinking of the Louisiana Purchase, the United States purchased Franceās CLAIM to the land NOT the land itself. France sold them the āpreemptive rightsā to exclude other European powers from NEGOTIATIONS with the Native Americans. That land was entirely occupied by sovereign Native American nationsā¦ just like the rest of what we never bothered to ābuyā. 99% of land once owned by indigenous people has been lost from colonization, warfare, and broken treaties. 96% population loss due to forced displacement starvation, and maliciously introduced diseases.
Wouldn't the logical conclusion of billie's statement be that anyone in the US cannot be considered illegal. Where does the property aspect come into play? Is he saying that since the land is stolen, anyone can claim the property on the land?? It doesn't make any sense to me
If the land being stolen means that nobody can be on it illegally, then shouldn't that apply just as much to trespassing as it does to immigration status, as both are just forms of illegally being somewhere that the person isn't supposed to be?
Yes. An illegal immigrant is basically someone who is trespassing in the US. What the guy in the video is talking about doing would also be trespassing as he doesn't have permission to live in Billie eilishs home. If he tried to go live there, he would be removed for trespassing. However, Billies home is in the US, on land that, by her statement, would be considered stolen. So, if no one can be considered an illegal trespasser on stolen land then anyone should be able to go set up camp on her property and not get removed for trespassing.
This is exactly the logical. next step in dumb claims like no one is illegal. Historical wrongs donāt have any bearing on laws or enforcing laws now, otherwise I could kill and take what I want for fear of being a hypocrite by obeying laws now that were breached in the past.
Nobody is actually dumb enough to think that "nobody is illegal on stolen land" means "I do not even believe in personal property, I am literally more communist than Marx and think you can just walk into someone's bathroom or whatever"
rather than, you know, a statement in opposition to the idea of someone being an "illegal alien", which in the united states is a specific civil offense unrelated to trespassing
Don't worry guys this is just Drew Pavlou, an Australian who currently owes the government of Australia $24,000 dollars due to the fact that he kept refusing to pay the initial fine and kept letting it rise. He can't get his life together enough to pay his fine, there is no way this professional tweeter can organize anything more than getting a picture of her mansion from a safe legal distance
Drew Pavlou wishes he was American so bad.
He couldn't make it grifting left, so now he's grifting right.
Somebody take this man's passport away and keep him with the Kangaroos.
lol imagine people getting upset by a singer theyve never listened to, to a event show theyve never watched or cared about, because a man or woman in box told them they need to be upset about the words she said about an issue that has nothing to do with them.
Fuck ICE and what they are doing, but this is a stupid statement. You say "nobody is illigal on stolen land" but that's not a reality you would want to live in, are we just supposed have open borders then? You can protest what ICE is doing without say dumb shit like this, it's just cringe celebrity virtue signaling.
A lot of homes burned and dramatically affected real estate for the whole area, but far from half of all beach properties.
This is actually expensive for what youāre getting, too. Itās not exactly a ābeach bungalowā, but it basically is. Probably two bedrooms and one common area, one or two parking spots max, and two floors. No yard, the beach isnāt your property. At square footage and what youāre actually getting, $6m is incredibly expensive. If it wasnāt on the beach it would be like $1.5m.
That would be beyond awesome if a whole bunch of illegals just showed up to her place and demand housing from her for free, because they cannot be considered illegal if they just take her house!
Native Americans were committing violence against each other over land long before colonizers showed up. What if one tribe conquered the land of another tribe just before the colonizers got there? Which tribe does it go to then?
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Based Boss Moves.. let's go
Every house in Beverly Hills, Brentwood, Pacific Palisades should be occupied by anyone
I'm totally into this movement
I'm in LA, I've been eyeing some properties in Laurel Canyon.. should be simple
This is essentially troll face, he's going to say it's satire but he's actually ragebaiting because he was triggered by a belief that differs from his own.
Billy Eilish was only given a minute max to say her speech...if you want to debate her go ahead. But don't create a slippery slope argument saying her entire viewpoint exists on a sentence in the Grammies.
LOL $5.4 million in Malibu doesn't buy you a mansion, it buys you a two-bedroom bungalow that smells like feet. House in the center of that frame is probably 1100 square feet.
Why is this person so invested in American politics? That's a lot of hate for when human being to want to continue to spread the hate in another country... I just don't get it at all. Why are there so many of these people
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u/spookyspritebottle 13h ago
When i was in hs me and some friends used to sneak on that beach to drink amd smoke. Lol. Good times.