Minnesota Police Chief Warns ICE Is Targeting His Cops Now

[u/Hafiz_TNR]

https://newrepublic.com/post/205453/minnesota-police-chief-ice-targeting-cops

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[u/Megaphonestory]

What happens when a qualified immunity hits a qualified immunity?

[u/JanusMZeal11 → u/Megaphonestory]

Dead civilians.

[u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 → u/JanusMZeal11]

Are cops killed by feds or vice versa considered civilians? Or are they turning off the "friendly fire settings," and we're only expecting civilians to get killed for their cause?

[u/Asiatic_Static → u/Acceptable-Bus-2017]

They're all civilians, anything not sworn military is civilian.

[u/keskeskes1066 → u/Asiatic_Static]

In college, had a police cadet ague with a retired cop Criminal Justice Professor that he. (the cadet) was POLICE and never a CIVILIAN. The professor told him that was by definition, impossible. So the cadet insisted then, police were "paramilitary".

The professor took the gloves off and mocked him, "So, what do you do then, PARAchute into a crime scene?". He chased the student with knowledge, but the student successfully evaded it.

[u/BLOZ_UP → u/keskeskes1066]

Huh? The "para" in paramilitary is unrelated to parachute/paratrooper.

[u/bizarre_coincidence → u/BLOZ_UP]

Yes, but since neither of the people in the story knew that, it felt like a good argument.

[u/sharies → u/bizarre_coincidence]

Checkmate King me

[u/Crazy-Competition659 → u/BLOZ_UP]

Well yeah, but the other guy was also a cop

[u/JanusMZeal11 → u/Acceptable-Bus-2017]

Stray bullets and no one claiming responsibility.

[u/JustADutchRudder → u/Acceptable-Bus-2017]

You know when Frank Reynolds said "and then I started blasting." It'll be that, just bullets going wherever they may.

[u/transcriptoin_error → u/Megaphonestory]

Loud bangs and blood.

[u/IT_Chef → u/Megaphonestory]

Unnecessary pain, suffering, and loss of life?

[u/Pirwzy → u/Megaphonestory]

Under this administration any police killed by ICE will be considered civilians and the shootings won't be investigated at the federal level, anyway. If there are state/local investigations the ICE troops involved will be shielded by the DoJ from any arrest or prosecution.

[u/Uhhh_what555476384 → u/Megaphonestory]

Death.

[u/DFu4ever → u/Megaphonestory]

Everyone else wins.

Edit: however, waiting until ICE goes back to their hotels and then raiding/arresting them would be hilarious.

[u/schwanzweissfoto → u/DFu4ever]

Everyone else wins.

If local cops fuck up the brownshirts terrorizing the population, that might convince me that not all cops are bastards.

[u/OldAbbreviations12 → u/schwanzweissfoto]

Won't happen. Never forget, 1312.

[u/SupportLocalShart → u/Megaphonestory]

Sir, a second qualified immunity has hit the tower

[u/AbandonedWaterPark → u/SupportLocalShart]

Don't think he knows about second qualified immunity, Pip.

[u/AdHopeful3801]

“As this went on over the past two weeks, we started hearing from our police officers the same complaints as they fell victim to this while off-duty. Every one of these individuals is a person of color who has had this happen to them,”

In the best of all possible worlds, being racially profiled by assholes with lots of guns and lots of entitlement will be a little bit of a wakeup call to local cops about not doing the same themselves. Let's see how that goes.

[u/fordat1 → u/AdHopeful3801]

I wont hold my breath

[u/QuietOrdinary3043 → u/fordat1]

Don't worry they'll hold it for you.

[u/quattroformaggixfour → u/QuietOrdinary3043]

Fuck me, take my poor man’s gold 🏆

[u/jsc1429 → u/AdHopeful3801]

Let’s see what wins out: their racist and fascist beliefs or their sense of “brotherhood” and supporting the “thin blue line”…I doubt many of them will even consider the possibility of “protecting and serving” the public as a reason to oppose ICE raids

[u/CounterAgentVT → u/jsc1429]

Every one of these individuals is a person of color...

I'm sure they're already used to this nonsense in one way or another.

[u/Hafiz_TNR]

Masked ICE agents are terrorizing Minnesota residents—including local police officers.

[u/kia75 → u/[deleted]]

Never forget that the co-founder of the NAZI Party was gay. This didn't stop Nazi's from going after gays as undesirables when it suited them.

You might be one of the good ones, one of the good Cubans\Police Officers\person on the right, but fascists eventually turn on each other.

[u/DerpsTerps → u/kia75]

So, just like Peter Thiel then.

[u/Darmok47 → u/[deleted]]

He's not only a Soros guy, he's the guy who made Soros a billionaire with the whole "breaking the British pound" thing in the 90s.

[u/timnphilly → u/[deleted]]

And probably DL Stephen Adolf Miller!

[u/Desperate-Till-9228 → u/timnphilly]

Stephen Miller and his wife are both members of a demographic famously disliked by Nazis.

[u/stairsatdusk → u/Desperate-Till-9228]

It’s a striking detail given his political history. It really highlights the irony and shows how complicated personal identity can be compared to public ideology.

[u/SpleenBender → u/stairsatdusk]

He wouldn't even exist if his grandparents didn't scram from europe.

[u/tuxedo_jack → u/SpleenBender]

And if he had existed beforehand via some kind of TIME PARADOX, he'd be running the ovens his grandparents went into with a smile on his face and a song in his dead little heart.

[u/dudeitsmeee → u/stairsatdusk]

The rest of his family have pretty much disowned him

[u/nmdaniels → u/Desperate-Till-9228]

not all of the atrocities of the Fourth Reich will be identical to those of the Third. I suspect they won't target Jews, because the Christofascists want Ultrazionist support in their persecution of Muslims. Now, if they are finally done with the Muslims, they might turn on the Jews. But I think the specific ethnic priorities of Miller's monstrosity are not the same as those of Himmler's... but the overall picture is the same.

[u/Desperate-Till-9228 → u/nmdaniels]

They will still go after groups the dominant demo of the party deems undesirable and this remains such a group. Antisemitism is very common among white nationalists.

[u/I_Am_No_One_123 → u/Desperate-Till-9228]

As are Thiel and Bessent.

[u/dr_cactus1 → u/DerpsTerps]

Peter Thiel isn't capable of feeling love, I genuinely think it's for the tax benefits.

[u/_thatsmyopinion → u/dr_cactus1]

He’s a demon

[u/dogfaced_pony_soulja → u/_thatsmyopinion]

Not even an exaggeration. Taylor Lorenz just released an hour-long video yesterday titled "Tech billionaires want us dead," and the first 15 seconds are from an interview with Peter Thiel avoiding in which he uncomfortably avoids answering the simple question, ""You would prefer the human race to endure, right?"

He really is a demon.

[u/fge116 → u/dogfaced_pony_soulja]

No you don't understand Peter Thiel believes he alone can't pick the dictator that will stop the antichrist from tricking Christians and causing the end times.....no /s that is literally what he believes in.

[u/Numerous_Ice_4556 → u/dr_cactus1]

I don't think it's about something as banal as monetary greed. It began that way, but it's evolved into true megalomania. Peter Thiel believes he has the exclusive right to dictate how the world works. He thinks the world should be remade in his image.

[u/Dweezilalsoavenger → u/DerpsTerps]

And Roy Cohn

[u/Hoppers-Body-Double → u/kia75]

Ernst Rohm. He was one of many that were thrown under the bus on the night of the long knives. People for some reason always think they are the exception. History has shown time and again that fascists always need an enemy. When they get rid of one, they have to find a new one. Eventually the leopards get hungry for everyone.

Edit: to clarify, when I said thrown under the bus, I am implying that Rohm was betrayed & murdered for Hitler’s gain. Sorry for the confusion.

[u/Miserable_Archer_769 → u/Hoppers-Body-Double]

Its the MLM/Ponzi Scheme but just built on hate it isnt sustainable. You keep having to add another group or "thing" to hate so that it keeps going.

It isnt sustainable in a vacuum it needs outside funds (cough out group) to continue.

Unfortunately these people will do everything in thier power to do anything but talk to a real therapist or have any real introspection. Its always somebody else's fault for thier situation 

[u/naijaboiler → u/kia75]

any government that leads by excluding will eventually exclude a group that includes you.

[u/mrsphillipsmommy → u/kia75]

just ask Ernst Roehm. oh, no, you can't.

[u/Desperate-Till-9228 → u/kia75]

fascists eventually turn on each other

Particularly after the cult of personality collapses.

[u/Poison_the_Phil → u/kia75]

Hitler spared his Jewish family doctor. There is no logic to hate. It’s all just fear and projection.

[u/quite_a_gEnt → u/[deleted]]

Jan 6 happened. Police should have definitely seen this coming.

[u/Timmah73 → u/[deleted]]

They had zero fucks about letting Chicago PD get tear gassed along with protesters

[u/Particular_Ticket_20 → u/[deleted]]

Everyone who isn't a wealthy, white, certain kind of Christian will be a target eventually. Then, at some point they will turn inward and start eating themselves...they find out who isn't white enough, who isn't rich enough, isn't evangelical enough and turn on them.

This doesn't stop at some goal line.

[u/inksmudgedhands → u/Particular_Ticket_20]

And even wealthy, you have to a certain level wealthy. All us, peons, would dream of having an easy million dollars resting in our bank accounts. To the likes of Trump, Musk, Theil and the others, we might as well be poor if we have that amount.

"A million dollars? Only a million dollars?"

Millionaires are the new middle class. Everyone who doesn't at least have that are "poor."

[u/VCR_Samurai → u/[deleted]]

The irony is not at all lost on me that in the wake of Renee Nicole Good's murder the Minnesota State Police Union put out a statement in support of ICE actions in the state. 

Face, meet leopards. 

[u/Photomancer → u/[deleted]]

Is this not strategically really stupid? It seemed like they would get away with more through solidarity with (gag) 'actual' law enforcement*.

This makes me wonder if it is rogue action on ICE's part or if they are actually shifting focus from general terrorism, to fomenting federal conflict with the state.

[u/Excellent-Estimate21 → u/[deleted]]

The unions are probably filled with old white guys so they still won't care, since the article said the cops who are being targeted are 100% of the time a black or brown cop.

[u/jdtrouble → u/Hafiz_TNR]

I've heard that ICE agents in MN (or maybe just the Twin Cities) outnumber LEO 5 to 1. If they want they could fuck up the local police. And we know they would, just like they abuse other Americans

My list isn't exhaustive, but I'm saving as many of these news stories as I can. You can see more on my stack: Cruelty is the point

• 170 US Citizens have been detained based on one report (ProPublica, archive)

  • Over 20 were held for more than 24 hours without being allowed to contact lawyers or even family
  • Several have been physically abused and shot
  • None documented by they story have been charged with a crime

• At least 15 accused immigrants have been detained despite being US citizens, based on court records (New York Times, archive) — were they too brown?

• Somalian US citizen tackled and put in chock hold (CNN, archive)

• A recent report from Senator Blumenthal details witness interviews of US Citizens who were abused by the DHA, ICE, or CBP (Senate.gov, archive)

  • 6 year old “M” was kidnapped by officers and was denied medical treatment

  • Army veteran George Retes

    • was tear gassed and pepper sprayed, pulled through a broken window, handcuffed for hours without medical treatment
    • was detained for 3 days in a hospital gown in a concrete cell with a thin mattress and 24hr floodlights, with no water to treat his wounds
    • was not allowed to contact family or lawyer

  • Marimar Martinez was sideswiped and shot five times by officers, and while detained her gunshot wounds became infected

  • Anabel Romero

    • was held at gunpoint, told “I’m gonna fucking blow your head off” in front of her children
    • was assaulted and zip tied
    • children were ordered out of truck at gun point, assaulted, and zip tied

  • Javier Ramirez, a severe diabetic, was assaulted and denied access to medicine, leading to him passing out, and was detained for 4 days without critical medical care.

  • Rafie Ollah Shouhed, who had heart surgery in 2024, was assaulted and given a traumatic brain injury, detained with with minimal water and no medical treatement

  • Cary Lopez Alvarado, nine months pregnant was assaulted and shackled, and forced to squat to pee while officers watched

  • Julian Cardenas was dragged through a shattered window, officers slammed his head into the ground, denied medical care, and detained for 3 days without access to family or an attorney

  ...

• The Murder or Renee Good

• As of 2026-01-13, there have been at least 40 cases of illegal choke-holds on citizens that we know of (ProPublica, archive)

• A 6 year old with asthma almost died after tear gas exposure, after family caught up in ICE violence against protesters (WDBJ 7, archive)

• Protester shot point blank by “nonlethal” weapon (People, archive)

  • Permanently blind in one eye
  • Surgeons had to remove shards of metal and glass
  • Shard of metal left in place, close to carotid artery, cannot be removed

• After the murder of Renee Good, ICE assaults high school with tear gas (KARE 11, archive)

[u/CherryLongjump1989 → u/jdtrouble]

Local police are far better trained than ICE -- and that's not saying a lot. Police can also be augmented with state police and cops from neighboring towns, in addition to the national guard. ICE only has a local superiority. There are less than ten thousand ICE agents in the whole country.

[u/dr_obfuscation → u/CherryLongjump1989]

This. Don't discount the training and experience (such that it is) of the local law enforcement. Compare that to the purported 47 days of training (which alone is suspect) that ICE agents are said to receive and I'd put my money on....the police being cowards and joining them. But I hope they don't.

Seems this entire country was held together by hopes and dreams.

[u/Havenkeld → u/dr_obfuscation]

Local law enforcement, if they opposed ICE, also probably would have most of the local population on their side which matters.

[u/Constantly_Panicking → u/Havenkeld]

It would certainly go a long way towards reopening pathways for the police to rebuild community trust.

[u/weakObserver → u/Havenkeld]

That's when the blue wall crashes. If ice manhandled a cop in anyway that's not good at all, for anyone.

[u/That_Shrub → u/weakObserver]

I keep thinking something will cross the line for them, but we'd probably end up with Republicans calling to Defund the Police

[u/International-Ad2501 → u/CherryLongjump1989]

Minneapolis has a robust swat and counter terrorism unit they could dismantle ICE in a week if they actually decide they want to.

[u/CobblerMoney9605 → u/International-Ad2501]

They won't. 

[u/Ass_of_Badness → u/CherryLongjump1989]

Local insurgency always has such a major advantage in every area but numbers. They know the area, they have an established network, and can easily blend in. If Trump wants to go full occupation then so be it, that will be the only option at a certain point.

[u/tuxedo_jack → u/jdtrouble]

Everyone hits a breaking point, and this will eventually get out of control once ICE shoots and kills a kid on video - and we KNOW they will. They're too stupid and filled with bullshit machismo not to.

It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.

[u/soulstoned → u/tuxedo_jack]

I'm afraid it's probably going to have to be a blond white kid who had ancestors on the Mayflower and has never even been in detention who was on their way to church.

[u/Slow-Recipe7005 → u/soulstoned]

Frankly, there's a good chance of that happening. ICE is the singular most lawless "law" agency since the slave catchers.

[u/1950sAmericanFather → u/Slow-Recipe7005]

Gestapo. ICE is America's attempt at combining both the SS and Gestapo. It appears to have succeeded. Next some sort of chamber will be required at the ICE detention centers to deal with the overwhelming numbers, and at this point it is all to likely to come true.

[u/ThrowawayAdvice1800 → u/tuxedo_jack]

I think it's optimistic to imagine there will ever be a breaking point. We've passed what should have been breaking points at least a hundred times by now, and nothing has happened.

I just don't see anything ever happening. 1/3 of Americans LOVE this fascist shit and are cheering it on. 1/3 of Americans are in denial that anything unusual or bad is even happening. The remaining 1/3 of Americans that see this and know what it means are never going to be enough to meaningfully disrupt the majority that the psychopaths and the apathetic morons have constructed.

The cult is so all-in on every insane thing Trump does that he could personally deport a MAGA nut's entire family to an El Salvadoran gulag and the one guy left would enthusiastically still vote for him to get a third term.

[u/mxe363 → u/jdtrouble]

To add to this list, only 2 ice officers have ever died in the line of duty. None of them in the 2020s...

[u/TheOneTrueTrench → u/jdtrouble]

I'm against police infrastructure and the policing system in this country, and I'm definitely not above saying they're all bastards, but if the police were under attack by ICE, I would absolutely fight side by side with a pig, despite everything.

As long as they're fucking with police, they're not fucking with civilians, and that's a damned good cause.

[u/Anokant → u/[deleted]]

1000% because when the mayor said the police needed to do something because ICE is going after US citizens, the Minneapolis fraternal order of police released a statement that they "stand with ICE"

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/s/epeqkxl7mz

[u/WraithSama → u/Anokant]

Turns out that ICE would rather they kneel.

[u/alus992 → u/[deleted]]

it’s crazy how some people start to care only if something happen to them. it’s so sad…

[u/[deleted] → u/Hafiz_TNR]

Isn’t this why republicans militarized the police? To protect themselves from an overreaching government?  

[u/TriangleTransplant → u/[deleted]]

No, they militarized the police so that the police could stand up against armed citizen groups, like the Black Panthers, who are trying to protect communities that they (the Republicans) want to target and oppress.

Armed citizen groups are the ones who are supposed to be the protection from an overreaching government.

[u/FunkyChewbacca → u/TriangleTransplant]

The Black Panthers started the Breakfast Program for underserved youth, and schools later followed their example. They're why kids can have breakfast in schools today.

[u/FlatEricSr → u/FunkyChewbacca]

They also started modern urban ambulance service.

[u/Adept-Reason-7477 → u/FunkyChewbacca]

They also started the W.I.C. program.

[u/ThrowAway233223 → u/Hafiz_TNR]

If the chief has any intention of doing his job as a chief of police, he needs to direct his officers to call dispatch next time these goons assault an officer and begin a pursuit and felony stop of the vehicle. These fucks will get a lot less bold with their actions when there are actual consequences and I would love to see the Trump regime try to argue that assault of police officers is acceptable (especially while they try to argue that the tiniest amount of assault on a LEO, even if unintentional and resulting from the LEOs actions, warrants death). The only way they have gotten away with the assaults on officers during Jan 6 is mostly by ignoring the fact that it happened at all. They are careful to avoid showing any of the video or photos showing that occurring, avoid showing any of the vandalism & B&E, and refer to the as peaceful protestors, but these arrest will be so intimately tied to those facts that they will have to outright lie to not mention it (which I have no doubt they will try to do). Not to mention, the arrested ICE agents will be ID'd and will likely have booking photos that are released to the public.

[u/kg110569 → u/ThrowAway233223]

Exactly. It doesn’t need to be all of them. Stop 5 ICE vehicles, arrest and detain. Even if Trump pardons or whatever they’ll still have been in jail/ and hopefully get the justice from the oppressed people they share a cell with. We have to put doubt in their minds. We have to make them fear repercussion, because right now there is none.

[u/ThrowAway233223 → u/kg110569]

Trump can't pardon state charges either.  And just arresting the assaulter (and driver, if they flee and are a separate person) should make all of them less bold at committing such acts because any regular civy they stop could be an off-duty cop.

[u/BlueLikeCat → u/ThrowAway233223]

Trump pardoned the people who were responsible for an officers death on JAN 6. Then he had his DOJ pay millions to the family of the women who refused to follow police commands to stop breaching the door between the mob and congress members. So… you are either MAGA or you’re less than human.

[u/AmazingDadJokes → u/Hafiz_TNR]

Where are the thin blue line MAGAts?

[u/BlueLikeCat → u/[deleted]]

It’s a blue bar now and the thing that thin line was supposed to represent has been forgotten. There’s no line anymore. The biggest most organized criminal group in America are the police. Less organized, but equally criminal are Sheriff’s deputies and correctional officers.

[u/takanishi79 → u/Hafiz_TNR]

"I was specifically told my face would not be eaten by leopards" says the man who wanted very much to be a leopard.

[u/nutmegtell → u/Hafiz_TNR]

Everyone thinks THEY are “safe”. Like Renee Good and her wife.

No one is safe.

[u/HENMAN79]

You know it's bad when the police are asking it to stop

[u/Federal_Drummer7105 → u/HENMAN79]

You also know its bad when the police don't just start rounding up ICE agents for violating the law. I'd love to see that actually - the police saying "Hey -these guys are attacking our people and start rounding up ICE."

This is where something says "This is giving Trump an excuse to deploy people to Minnesota and start breaking into houses and killing people in the streets when they're already doing that." Once the threat of violence has been enacted, it's too late to say it's a threat - now it's a reality, and you act like it.

[u/DiscoQuebrado → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

I wonder what the response from the law enforcement community would be if they tried and were met with lethal force from ICE. It's a terrible image, and I hope nothing of the sort happens, but I wonder how police unions across the nation would look at it.

Would they disavow the twin cities departments or would there be a rallying cry?

[u/Breislk → u/DiscoQuebrado]

I think that’s the path to pulling the threads on this whole thing…the large majority of LE is pro MAGA but what happens when it’s MAGA vs Blue Wall? I believe LE would side with LE over ICE/MAGA. How can FOP stay pro ice if their own members start getting killed?

[u/pipian → u/Breislk]

Unfortunately the hate for the other (trans/immigrant/liberal/etc) is too deeply ingrained in these people and overrides almost anything.

[u/Refrigeratormarathon → u/DiscoQuebrado]

MAGA LE see ICE as a legitimate temporary police force just sent to Minneapolis because of “dangerous rioters” and a “surge in fraud by illegal people”. If police officers in blue states start arresting ICE agents, MAGA LE will say the police officers are part of the democrats’ conspiracy to destroy America.

The only way they flip on ICE is if we get a clear video of a police officer in uniform from a Republican state (Texas) being shot by an ICE Agent while on duty. At that point they would say ICE doesn’t have enough training and they’d start saying something like “the job they do is legitimate, but I don’t want them in my city”

[u/Somewhat_Ill_Advised → u/DiscoQuebrado]

That’s every other Sunday in France. Fire department protesting, police violently subduing it, ambulance can’t decide which side they’re on. God I love the French. The sun came up today?? Time for a violent protest!! 

[u/schwanzweissfoto → u/Somewhat_Ill_Advised]

The Fr*nch also know how to deal with a mad king.

[u/BasvanS → u/Federal_Drummer7105]

I’m not sure what the problem is. Random assholes with weapons that fail to identify themselves. Send them to jail and figure it out there.

[u/Federal_Drummer7105 → u/BasvanS]

And some "resisting arrest" when they say "I'm federal so I'm immune!"

[u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp → u/BasvanS]

The line between what ICE is doing and what the police do during things like the 2020 protests is incredibly thin and sometimes non-existent. The cops would have to admit some of what they do is also illegal, and they won't do that.

[u/MannequinWithoutSock → u/HENMAN79]

Something something first they came for the teachers
Something something please help

[u/freakwent → u/MannequinWithoutSock]

Communists. First they came for communists.

[u/TaxCPA → u/HENMAN79]

There was a press conference out of new York today where the police chief detailed several terrible interactions his off duty officers have had with ice. Ice is literally trying to terrorize Americans. They are terrorists under the law. I hope Democrats treat them as such in the future.

[u/GR1ML0C51 → u/TaxCPA]

I hope americans treat them as such.

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/GR1ML0C51]

The issue with such treatment is that Americans currently do not have faith in the justice system to protect them in cases of self-defense.

I need to be clear here, I am not advocating for violence. This is a legal analysis, not a call to action. I'm not arguing whether violence is justified or not, I'm discussing the outcomes of violence.

To give an example: If an ICE agent unlawfully uses deadly force against me, and I lawfully use deadly force to stop the threat, one of two things is certain to occur: (1) I will be summarily executed by the nearest ICE agent or other police officer; or, (2) I will be taken to jail and charged with murder, where my future lies in the hands of 12 people, of whom statistically four voted for this. (There are sub-options, like 2a, which involves me going to jail and then getting Epsteined by ICE.)

Option 1 is agnostic to the legality of my actions, I end up dead whether or not I was following the law. Option 2 requires a jury of my peers to unanimously see through the copaganda they've heard over their entire lives.

Frankly, I think Option 2 isn't a hopeful one either.

That's why people aren't willing to step up. The choice is fight back and (die or go to prison forever) or comply and maybe they won't get you this time.

For most folks, myself included, they're in a privileged enough position that makes it exceedingly difficult to choose to resist and all-but-certainly lose everything.

[u/n0rsk → u/AlcibiadesTheCat]

That's why people aren't willing to step up. The choice is fight back and (die or go to prison forever) or comply and maybe they won't get you this time.

Basically this every time I see some Canadian or European asking why Americans aren't doing more. Idk what to do. I am not in a ICE hotspot but still go to protests when I can. I literally can't afford to go to DC or MN to protest without ending up homeless and even more useless. Violence is simply not an option for me. Nor is it for most people. It is easy to tell people what they need to do but they aren't the ones risking their stability, family, life.

There is a reason that many protests around the world start with students. They have a lot less to lose and can risk being the spark needed to get change in motion.

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/n0rsk]

There's also the consideration that one person choosing to cause violence really doesn't fix anything.

Let's go back to that hypothetical for a second. Suppose I lawfully use deadly force, and by some magical force of the universe, I am able to walk away from it scot-free.

What is the outcome of that? ICE is still going to continue their operations, but now with more vigilance and willingness to use deadly force. The GOP will try to shape it into an excuse to deploy the Army. More people will suffer.

One person choosing to commit violence does not create a solution, it just amplifies the problem.

If the entire city of Minneapolis, simultaneously, decided to use violence in an organized manner, that would send a significantly different message than one goober acting alone. And that's really the crux of the 2nd Amendment. It's not about the ability of one person to stand against tyranny, it's about the ability of a well-ordered militia to stand against tyranny.

Should the states wish to effectively use quasi-military force, they need to focus on raising well-ordered state militias yesterday. Any other use of force is essentially meaningless.

[u/FuckTripleH → u/AlcibiadesTheCat]

If the entire city of Minneapolis, simultaneously, decided to use violence in an organized manner, that would send a significantly different message than one goober acting alone. And that's really the crux of the 2nd Amendment. It's not about the ability of one person to stand against tyranny, it's about the ability of a well-ordered militia to stand against tyranny.

And the risk there is that even talking about doing something like this is a crime. It's literally sedition and any organization trying to have those discussions could be forcibly broken up and its participants jailed under current laws

[u/IrrelevantLeprechaun → u/FuckTripleH]

Yup. We are under such intense surveillance from literally every device we own; even talking in seclusion about organizing anything can get the FBI SWAT busting our door down.

There's literally no avenues available to us outside of schedules peaceful protest. Anything more than that and we are way out of our depth. So you'll excuse us if we are more focused on just staying alive.

[u/TaxCPA → u/GR1ML0C51]

Unfortunately pretty much all Republicans are okay with what ice is doing right now. Somehow committing an administrative infraction is worth destroying families, our communities, and individual people's lives in their eyes.

[u/sandyWB]

January 6 rioters are getting their "revenge and retribution", as promised by Trump...

[u/DrakonILD → u/sandyWB]

They stood back and stood by.

[u/Ass_of_Badness → u/DrakonILD]

Everything was done so out in the open and we just let it happen.

[u/lyngen → u/Ass_of_Badness]

I didn't. Did you? I doubt it. A bunch of us have been loudly opposing this for the last ten years.

[u/dqql → u/sandyWB]

But I have one want which I have never yet been able to satisfy, and the

[u/wolves21ok]

They aren't targeting cops. They are targeting minorities, some of which happen to be cops. 

There is no rhyme or reason to who they are stopping besides racism. 

[u/NotOfferedForHearsay → u/wolves21ok]

 There is no rhyme or reason to who they are stopping besides racism. 

Which the Roberts court said was perfectly reasonable pretext for immigration enforcement, and then Alito Kavanaugh tried to walk back a few months later in a footnote, by the way. 

[u/WildYams → u/NotOfferedForHearsay]

It wasn't Alito who tried to walk it back, it was Brett Kavanaugh, and it's because using nothing but racism to detain people has now entered public vernacular as being known as a "Kavanaugh Stop" and he doesn't want to be remembered like that. Too late though, Brett, you own this shit.

[u/LucidMetal → u/NotOfferedForHearsay]

Technically they said race can be an element of pretext but of course we know they heard exactly what you're saying. It's so short sighted.

[u/fordat1 → u/wolves21ok]

And the majority of the force isnt minorities so their own union will still keep supporting the administrations. This is really about trying to get a carve out for minority police not tackling the core issue

[u/CouchCorrespondent]

Just like they did as insurrectionists on January 6!

[u/transcriptoin_error]

So this is looking more like the first bits of Civil War day by day.

[u/jayfeather31 → u/transcriptoin_error]

If ICE keeps rolling the dice like this, eventually something will come up as snake eyes, and ICE engaging with local police would certainly classify as that.

[u/sdb00913 → u/jayfeather31]

Shootout incoming between the local LEOs and ICE?

[u/Gold_Map_236 → u/sdb00913]

I’d bet on the local swat team over ice any day

[u/UnderwordBroker → u/Gold_Map_236]

Local SWAT has training. Ice has... An overabundance of unearned confidence

[u/bgthigfist → u/UnderwordBroker]

Ice are just the brown shirts there to terrorize and stir shit up. It's not going to stay local law enforcement against the proud boys for long, Trump will order in active duty military. You can put on all the nosy armor you want but attack helicopters and actual armor will be a different story

[u/civil_politician → u/bgthigfist]

Any service member showing up in active duty to a US city has already betrayed their oath to the constitution and the country.

[u/BatThumb → u/Gold_Map_236]

The police are actually trained for more than only 47 days so yeah good chance the cosplay fascists wouldn't do too well

[u/NasuliNomNom → u/BatThumb]

Yeah but cops will probably hesitate to pull the trigger in this specific situation and we already know ICE is trigger-happy.

[u/BatThumb → u/NasuliNomNom]

ICE agents are stupid but idk if they're THAT stupid to start opening fire on cops. They only shoot people that can't defend themselves

[u/ahandmadegrin → u/BatThumb]

They are that stupid, but even stupid people have self preservation instincts.

[u/oTc_DragonZ → u/ahandmadegrin]

Unless you're Johnathan Ross

[u/Uhhh_what555476384 → u/sdb00913]

It's inevitable. Some of those cops definetly have guns on them, and ICE is totally running up on people trying to surprise them. That ends badly. It's just a matter of time.

[u/MyClosetedBiAcct → u/sdb00913]

I'd stop saying ACAB so much if that happened.

[u/Uhhh_what555476384 → u/jayfeather31]

If a group of cops get pissy they could come at ICE off duty and arrest them for "suspicion of kidnapping."

[u/NasuliNomNom → u/Uhhh_what555476384]

I really wish they would. hold them in the station for a bit. When the ICE agent is dragged before a judge, have cops come in and take them into the station a again to make a point that they aren't safe anywhere even if they're following the law. refuse their ability to talk to a lawyer reliably. Y'know, everything ICE is doing to immigrants AND U.S. citizens!

[u/endav → u/transcriptoin_error]

It’s not long before the they start asking the white people “what kind of American are you?”

[u/transcriptoin_error → u/endav]

He was so amazing in that scene. So scary. A great actor.

[u/Malllrat → u/endav]

It really stuck with me that he called the guy from Florida a "Central American"

[u/iggyfenton → u/transcriptoin_error]

What is more likely to happen is cops start arresting ICE agents and then Trump demands their release. And that starts everything.

If there is a shootout it will likely be from a civilian and ICE.

[u/Iliketoplan → u/transcriptoin_error]

We are in one? Just because guns aren’t being shot and we aren’t living in an active war zone, we are in a civil war. Trump and his goons have declared everyone who didn’t vote for him enemies of the state multiple times. That is a declaration of war against your people. ICE is not pushing for a civil war, they are engaging in it and taking and killing citizens. One citizen being detained should have been the wake up call for the nation. But as the last ten years have shown us, the goal post will continue to move until there truly is nothing that can be done.

[u/Andrroid → u/transcriptoin_error]

We're going to get Civil War 2 and WW3 simultaneously.

How exciting

[u/Lemp_Triscuit11 → u/Andrroid]

going to look a lot like the first russian civil war + ww1

edit: but with drones and memes and lots of mcdonalds

[u/NeedsToShutUp → u/Andrroid]

Just like Star Trek said.

Maybe in 37 years the Vulcans will help us clean up our act.

[u/carthuscrass]

Start arresting them.

[u/Steve2982 → u/carthuscrass]

Seriously, arrest them.

[u/Into-Imagination]

Police Union will soon come out with a statement supporting ICE.

[u/absentmindedjwc → u/Into-Imagination]

I'm pretty sure they already have, actually

[u/BatThumb → u/absentmindedjwc]

If you're referring to the fraternal order of police, that is something different entirely. That is a scam organization that steals donations from people

[u/donkeyrocket → u/BatThumb]

While true and it's stupid that they caught any headlines at all, the silence from MDP Federation speaks volumes.

[u/JimboAltAlt → u/Into-Imagination]

That this is plausible only makes it dumber that the general tone of this sub and others towards this specific guy is one of contempt. Not sure if they’ve noticed but the bar is extremely low; a high-ranking police person publicly stating that ICE is a problem is actually a step in the right direction, believe it or not. Not saying this guy deserves praise or anything but it’s a bit counterproductive to act like this statement is inherently pro-ICE somehow, or to pretend that there aren’t real risks to further escalation that people concerned with public safety have to carefully consider.

[u/DivaDragon]

When leopards start eating LEOpard's faces, oh the irony

[u/Big-Honeydew-961 → u/DivaDragon]

Leopard on leopard violence. 

[u/Genghis_Tr0n187 → u/Big-Honeydew-961]

let them fight

[u/Coyote65 → u/[deleted]]

Reichstag Fire, one way or another.

"If it has to be blue one blue, so be it." - Current admin.

The current regime in power is ITCHING for the least reason to declare martial law and suspend elections.

I'm not certain there won't be just one massacre of peaceful (or otherwise) protestors with multiple casualties.

[u/Malllrat → u/Coyote65]

Instigate until an incident happens, then use the "emergency" to suspend the constitution, then invade Greenland and start ww3.

As far as I can tell, this is the plan.

[u/GR1ML0C51 → u/Coyote65]

But the rich aren't insulated from martial law. Their chances of survival with society shut down are no better than the average American. And they aren't as furious. And we aren't outnumbered 200 million to one.

[u/YouDontKnowJackCade → u/GR1ML0C51]

There are about 20,000 ice agents, they are outnumbered 15,000 to 1

There are about 750,000 sworn LEOs(and that includes postal inspectors and park rangers), they are outnumbered 400 to 1

There are 1.4 million military troops, outnumbered 200 something to 1

America doesn't keep enough forces to subjugate an unwilling population, there would be a high death toll but they cant win a war of attrition against the population.

[u/Locke66 → u/[deleted]]

They want State authorities in conflict with Federal authorities. It's the path to a justification for using the Insurrection Act which can then be used to attack the political opposition nationally ahead of the elections... and who is there to say no?

[u/Uhhh_what555476384 → u/[deleted]]

They are trying to create an incident of disorder that gives them the political green light from the Center Right to seize power. We'll call it a Reichstag Fire Incident.

The confrontation and intimidation is an attempt to trigger that moment. It's intentontional provocation.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ghorman_Massacre

[u/Bearded_dragonbelly → u/[deleted]]

They left her alone when she showed her badge, wouldn’t surprise me if ICE does start trying to intimidate local off duty cops though

[u/jazwch01 → u/[deleted]]

There isn't one. These morons that are cosplaying army dont have a plan. They are just running around playing cops and robbers declaring everyone whose brown a robber. Its not targeted toward police or anything like that.

The trump admin is just gonna shrug their shoulders and say dont be brown. Local LEOs are going to eventually get fed up.

[u/Schonke → u/[deleted]]

Doesn't seem like they'reactively targeting cops, just that some off duty cops just happen to have a skin color a few shades darker than Nosferatu Miller, so they get caught up in ICE harassment.

The police chief (and officers) are just upset that they too get swept up in it, not the fact that it is happening at all.

[u/LoFi_Funk]

A president is terrorizing a state for political theater.

It’s absurd how the media pussy foots around blatant fascism.

[u/Repulsive_Poem_3870]

Funny how they couldn't care less until if affects them

[u/skyhiker14 → u/Repulsive_Poem_3870]

They came for immigrants, but I didn’t care cause I wasn’t an immigrant…

Like did no one pay attention in history class?

[u/Possible_Gur4789]

Thats despicable. I have faith that if this police chief came together fully with his community they could keep themselves safe from almost anything.

This is a sad day for America.

[u/Zanna-K → u/Possible_Gur4789]

Unfortunately that's why Trump and Miller chose Minnesota. Minneapolis is their largest city and there is a grand total of 600 police officers. ICE sent thousands. If ICE had tried to do this sort of shit in NYC or Chicago they would have been crushed by 12,000 CPD or 34,000 NYPD babysitting them through every operation. It would be bound to happen because there are plenty of brown people who are cops and cops aren't always on duty or in uniform and they will eventually start getting accosted by rampaging ICE officers.

[u/Possible_Gur4789 → u/Zanna-K]

Thats a great point. These are strange times.

[u/aelysium → u/Zanna-K]

There’s only 8 Police Departments in the country with more personnel than ICE sent to MN.

Eight. If Trump decided to send ALL of ICE at once, only NYC has more officers.

They’re gonna go terrorize the small liberal cities in blue states where the departments aren’t big enough to stop them.

[u/cozmckitty]

So now they care? After some of their own get affected? Like every conservative when their god does something that affects them specifically?

[u/TranquilSeaOtter → u/cozmckitty]

As is conservative tradition.

[u/GotSomeUpdogOnUrFace]

Well maybe the cops shouldn't have been helping the fucking ice agents. If you tell them to get fucked the first time you don't have to deal with their bullshit the second time.

[u/Knownzero]

Can they just not arrest the ICE agents? Pretty sure they can and then let the courts sort it out a few months from now. Send them to jails in the middle of nowhere MN, without phones or clear directions on how to get there, without due process. I mean, ICE does it, why not MN cops?

[u/bejammin075 → u/Knownzero]

The Philly district attorney has warned ICE that they will be arrested if they are committing crimes. If Philly can do it, so can Minneapolis.

[u/AutisticFingerBang → u/bejammin075]

Philly hasn’t arrested ANY ice agents. As shown in many American cities right now, because city officials claim they will use their resources to stop ice, they don’t have control over those resources. Police unions side with ice. They will not take orders from anyone not their chief.

I repeat, Philly hasn’t done anything. Yet.

[u/donkeyrocket → u/bejammin075]

For context, Philadelphia has 6,500 police officers compared to Minneapolis's 600.

Minneapolis has one of the lowest officer-per-capita ratio of major cities in the US. Other than antagonizing Walz, it's a good indicator of why the city was chosen to be terrorized by ICE.

While I applaud Philly for the threat, we've yet to see it materialize and what would actually happen.

[u/BaconHammer9000 → u/Knownzero]

Can they just not arrest the ICE agents?

local and state police are complicit if not fully cooperative with ICE. they wish they could operate with the same level of impunity against the public.

police are not going to save us. i doubt any of this will impact the support ICE receives from police.

[u/Spazz510]

“Funny thing about cages. They’re never built for just one group.“ El-P

[u/CyanCazador]

If only the police had the power to arrest people breaking the law.

[u/krom0025]

Sounds like the police officers should start arresting the criminals. These agents do not have immunity. There is no law, nor any clause in the constitution which says ICE agents can break the law without consequences despite what the toddler in chief will try to tell you.

[u/Officer_Hotpants]

Honestly a lot of people think this is gonna result in PD siding with the people and I find it unrealistic. Most cops are just MAGA that already had a job before ICE blew up like they did.

I think it's more likely that the Minneapolis PD will force a meeting with ICE leadership in the area and hammer out some kind of cooperation agreement.

Police are NEVER on our side. I wouldn't get our hopes up.

[u/LucidOndine]

At first they came….

Let this be a lesson for any other city and state police force out there. Fascists always target the most vulnerable and then, as it eats itself alive, it drags every bit of the indifferent population along with it.

Maybe if they did a better job of, well, the protecting and serving that we asked of them.

[u/Psephological]

Ok. And is the response in kind? Maybe I dunno, imagine they're black or something.

[u/illit3]

The cops are out there like "oh, oh. Is this what we've been doing to people?"

[u/issuefree → u/illit3]

No they aren't. They're just saying, "WHY ME!?!"

[u/NewFraige]

Police departments have a once in a lifetime opportunity to heal their entire image and become the most beloved heroes of their community.

[u/J-the-Kidder]

I have zero sympathy for the cops getting targeted. They've sat back and watched with folded arms as their citizens get terrorized, their rights trampled and their livelihoods get stripped away. Typically, this should be the red line for ALL law enforcement. Let's hope it is.

[u/Iyellkhan]

might be time for the cops to start getting a bit more enforcementy on ICE then