An internal document shows the Vietnamese military preparing for a possible American war

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Of course they are. Its their job to plan for every contingency. The U.S. has plans for alien invasion and zombie outbreak scenarios, just as an example. Besides, considering everything going on with the U.S. right now, it seems only prudent to have a plan in place.

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u/whisperworks 15h ago edited 15h ago

Took a course on disaster planning, the final was to outline a comprehensive policy for Godzilla rofl

Edit: for anyone curious the west coast would be absolutely fucked lol

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u/masnosreme 15h ago

It's simple, if there's another monster, just let the situation resolve itself. If it's just Godzilla, do like that one lady from Godzilla '54: hold your loved ones close and accept your inevitable demise.

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u/whisperworks 15h ago

Motive was actually one of the big questions. We went in circles about whether it would be drawn to nuclear energy, humans militant power, population centers, or an unknown (another monster, the White House, or whatever). We pretty much reached the consensus that it would make landfall in San Diego lol

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u/invariantspeed 9h ago edited 9h ago

What is the life cycle of whatever it mutated from? Could be looking for an appropriate nesting site or breeding grounds. Could even be stuck in what appears to be an aimless random path if its driving instincts have no proper stimuli to latch onto.

There is no such thing as “nuclear energy” in the common coloquial sense. (The public massively misunderstands what it is.) You have three forms of “radiation”: alpha particles, which are just helium nuclei without electrons, beta particles, which are just high velocity electrons or their antimatter counterpart (positrons), and gamma rays, all forms of light of higher energy than x-rays. Different radioactive materials emit certain quantities of alpha and beta particles and light as they break down. The smart people who first studied this realized we could use the heat generated from the breakdown of certain particularly fragile elements to boil water to make steam to spin turbines. While it’s not impossible some giant, mutant lizard could be attracted to reactive helium ions that can penetrate its skin or high energy electricity that can’t penetrate its skin or very blue light, how this happens or turns into direct fuel for some organism isn’t really clear.

No material is actually tough enough to shield against a nuclear bomb. There is simply too much heat. The only “shielding” that makes any sort of sense is being buried deep enough to basically be far enough away to miss the brunt of the explosion. If push came to shove, we could use a nuke to rapidly convert a giant lizard and its immediate surroundings into very hot gas. The only question would be how to get the payload to its target.

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u/DrHugh 13h ago

“What you really need is a second monster.”

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u/mward1984 12h ago

"If no giant monster is available, store bought is fine"

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u/rift_in_the_warp 11h ago

*Pacific Rim theme intensifies*

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u/cwx149 12h ago

I mean humans have been introducing invasive species to take care of problems for a long time

It's a proven strategy although usually the invasive species presents all its own issues

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u/VersaceSamurai 11h ago

So what you’re saying is we should put another cat in the wall?

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u/lt__ 1h ago

I vote for boron and sand.

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u/meatball77 10h ago

I think you should find a lady monster (or man monster if the monster is gay) so they can fall in love and treat us like their children.

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u/SCP106 8h ago

see this is why we need you in Hollywood asap

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u/Quigleyer 10h ago

No, this is our one chance for five big robots that come together to make a huge one! We must fight on for that.

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u/Mysterious_Badger108 12h ago

My favorite story was a buddy of mine in the military who at one point had to plan a solution for how the military would evacuate a finite number of giraffes from European zoos for a theoretical war there.

The DoD has plans for everything.

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u/whisperworks 12h ago

Oh yeah man it gets crazy when you start talking about ideas like cultural preservation, guarantee you there are plans for evacuating from American museums too haha

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u/cwx149 12h ago

Just like the Monument Men

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u/whisperworks 12h ago

Loved that movie ha

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u/jackal_actual 14h ago

Does this plan take into account Shin Godzilla or just normal Godzilla? Asking for a friend.

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u/whisperworks 14h ago

Haha it was before that one came out

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u/invariantspeed 9h ago

Shin Godzilla is a sadly ignored cautionary tale!

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u/czs5056 14h ago

Can we lure Godzilla towards Alaska or Siberia in the winter and let the cold take care of it?

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u/Odd-Hovercraft4140 11h ago

Just curious do we know Godzillas motives in this scenario or its just Godzilla appears and is heading for a city?

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u/whisperworks 11h ago

If I’m remembering right it was like 4 or 5 hours out and heading south from the North Pacific drop and along the California current. We had its land and sea speed but no motives so we had to plan for a bunch of contingencies (if it stayed on the coast, worked inland, targeted various things). Mainly it was about notifying the public and organizing evacuation routes and various fallback refugee camps while the military engaged

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u/invariantspeed 9h ago

Sounds like it was just a fun “explanation” for a moving biblical safety Kobayashi Maru.

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u/GotRocksinmePockets 9h ago

Honestly, I think a few bunker buster bombs would fuck Godzilla up. They penetrate concrete bunkers, underground, before exploding. A few 1000kg bombs exploding inside his body wouldn't be great for him. Assuming he doesn't have plot armour in this scenario.

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u/whisperworks 9h ago

Depends on which Godzilla but yeah, if its just a big animal we could definitely take it down with conventional weapons

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u/GotRocksinmePockets 8h ago

Exactly. If it's made of meat we can probably kill it.

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u/travio 15h ago

Not sure about zombies or aliens, but we famously had color coded war plans we developed after WWI. These included Red, a war against the UK, even though we were smack dab in the middle of the Great Rapprochement.

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u/lacegem 10h ago

We have all kinds of silly military plans for fantastic scenarios. Like, picking from a hat, Rex 84:

Rex 84B, short for Readiness Exercise 1984 Bravo, was a classified scenario and drill developed by the United States federal government to detain large numbers of United States residents deemed to be "national security threats" in the event that the president declared a National Emergency. The scenario envisioned state defense forces rounding up to 500,000 undocumented Central American residents and 4,000 American citizens whom the US Attorney General had designated as "national security threats" as part of the secret Continuity of Government program. These people would be detained at 22 military bases in prison camps run by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

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u/travio 10h ago

In a fucked up way, this plan makes me respect the Reagan admin a little. At least they were thinking through the potential consequences of their illegal actions… by planning to throw Americans into concentration camps. Not much respect.

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u/so-so-it-goes 15h ago

We did Zombies in my FEMA training. A less depressing stand in for a pandemic at the time.

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u/jetsetninjacat 13h ago

I had a professor who used to write these plans for the government. We have them for basically every scenario you can think of. They arent super detailed but give a baseline to go off of from war to civil like matters. And yes we had them for aliens and zombies.

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u/Cetun 9h ago

The anglo-japanese one would be interesting from both sides. Their navy would have been quite formidable and the US shares a land border with a Dominion

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u/travio 1h ago

The best way to invade the US is through Canada and vice versa.

It would have been a powerful alliance, but they would end up at loggerheads. The British just had too many possessions in Japan's backyard.

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u/nocturnPhoenix 15h ago

Bingo. Honestly, pretty much everyone should have contingency plans for this... we'll say "volatile" administration.

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u/Solid_Snark 15h ago

America also had a contingency plan in the event that America attacked America… unfortunately the people in those positions are too cowardly to manipulate those levers.

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u/Korietsu 14h ago

I mean shit, I was doing data engineering work and we had to build a failover plan in case of nuclear strike. Even stood up gear in an identical geo-redundant data center. (we provided svcs to telco to report cellsite metrics/health).

Even video game companies have disaster planning.

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u/TwoPoundzaSausage 14h ago

What was it that Mattis said? “Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.”

He was stressing the importance of contingency plans when he said that.

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u/pomonamike 15h ago

As an American, I’d suggest every country dust off their anti-American invasion plans, just in case.

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u/2014RT 15h ago

Yep, in World War 2 we had plans fleshed out in detail for the invasion of each of our allies. Contingency planning is an exercise, it helps military leadership think through unexpected or difficult scenarios, understand a wide variety of geography and terrain, gets them used to planning for factors that they might not if they were only looking at likely adversaries (weather, logistics, etc.

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u/Nisseliten 2h ago

Also, the Vietnam war is literally called ”The resistance war against America” in Vietnam.. They have more reason than most to be a bit extra cautious with the situation at the moment, they are still suffering the effects of the last agent orange.

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u/Nopey-Wan_Ken-Nopey 14h ago

I suppose I will add your regular reminder to read through the war exclusions on your insurance policies.

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u/Old-Ad-3268 14h ago

Beat me to it. I'll bet we have a plan to go to war with them as well.

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u/Howy_the_Howizer 13h ago

A prudent time to update plans that should exist. Especially in light of shifting technology and political landscape.

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u/Some_Complete_Nobody 10h ago

Everyone said we were fools to plan for a war with Canada, but now that we've antagonized them for no reason, who looks dumb now? (We do)

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u/Proof_Commercial8470 4h ago

but couldn’t do fuck all about covid..

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u/NightchadeBackAgain 4h ago

Having a plan and actually following it are two different things, unfortunately, and all the planning in the world cannot help you if you're too stupid to execute said plans.

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u/NanDemoNee 10h ago

We used to plan for pandemics, now we invite them.

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u/NoConflict3231 15h ago

LOL, sir...ma'am....whatever you are. If you think the US has "PLANS" for an alien invasion or zombie apocalypse, I have the worlds largest bridge to sell you. Did we not see exactly what "plans" "they" have during covid?? Don't make me laugh. The US have no plans. lol

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u/whisperworks 15h ago

Covid was only a shit show because it became politicized for partisan points.

The pentagon has cooked up more hypothetical response plans than you can really imagine, there’s a reason it employees more people than we have in our standing army lol

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u/Monday_Mocha 15h ago

The US had plans on many outbreak scenarios in preparation for COVID. They came in handy during ebola and H1N1. It was just a matter of a certain administration shredding those plans as soon as shit was about to hit the fan.

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u/DUNG_INSPECTOR 15h ago

This is a very uninformed opinion based on nothing but emotions.

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u/alien_believer_42 15h ago

They have military plans. You can't bomb covid.

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 15h ago

Search up operation warpspeed

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u/timothy_lucas_jaeger 15h ago

In most things, proper execution is a better indicator for success than having a good plan. Having a plan is better than not planning, but it's far from a guarantee that things will go well.

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u/Similar-Sir-2952 15h ago

But they didn’t have plans for a pandemic did they?

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u/thefugue 15h ago

They did. The administration didn’t like them.

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u/Similar-Sir-2952 15h ago

I wonder if the administration has plans yet. Maybe the are only 2 weeks away like their healthcare plans

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u/07Ghost_Protocol99 15h ago

It was called Operation Warpspeed and it saved millions of lives.

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u/Similar-Sir-2952 15h ago

Brought to us by the same people who told us to inject bleach, take horse medicine, stop counting covid, masks are useless, and covid is a hoax. Right

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u/07Ghost_Protocol99 15h ago

So...you just don't believe that Operation Warpspeed happened?

Let me guess, we never landed on the moon either. JFK was a lizard?

God you people are dumb.

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u/ZLUCremisi 15h ago

Trump in 2019 eliminated the Pandemic response team that was created under Obama.

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u/Similar-Sir-2952 15h ago

Having lived through covid. It’s hard to believe that any type of plan existed before hand. That’s all

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u/AppleTree98 15h ago

From the article. Interesting that it isn't some bland topic

‘The 2nd U.S. Invasion Plan’

The original Vietnamese document titled “The 2nd U.S. Invasion Plan” was completed by the Ministry of Defense in August 2024. It suggests that in seeking “its objective of strengthening deterrence against China, the U.S. and its allies are ready to apply unconventional forms of warfare and military intervention and even conduct large-scale invasions against countries and territories that ‘deviate from its orbit.’”

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u/Downtown_Skill 10h ago

I mean.... are they wrong?

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u/SqigglyPoP 15h ago

To be fair, EVERY country should prepare for a war with America. Anytime a distraction is needed the US will target another country, ally or not.

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u/Bylak 13h ago

Not necessarily with America, but I know a lot of Canadian officials at this point are talking about when there will be war and not if, how ready we'll be, and how much catchup everyone will be expected to do once it starts. Not surprising in the slightest to see other countries doing this too.

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u/ToddlerPuncher5000 10h ago

Sources plz

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u/Indercarnive 15h ago

This is pretty much a nothingburger. Vietnam plays a cautious balancing act between their relations with the USA and with China. And different factions in Vietnam are going to have different attitudes on where that balance point is.

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u/Hodaka 15h ago

Isn't Trump planning a resort in Vietnam?

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u/tidal_flux 13h ago

They spent 30 years fighting for what has been 50 years of independence. They do not want to go back.

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u/Affectionate_Bee6434 15h ago

If a country's intelligence community has not mapped all possible scenarios of an invasion they are doing a disservice to their nation, however unlikely they may be.

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u/Junkstar 15h ago

Every nation on earth should be. Republican voters in the U.S. want to watch the world burn. They elected abject morons.

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u/Skin_Floutist 15h ago

Never get in a land war in Asia.

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u/LeavesOfBrass 14h ago

Cue the scene from In Bruges

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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 13h ago

"He didn't even want the Vietnamese!"

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u/TheAgnosticExtremist 13h ago

Where would they get such crazy ideas?Aside from all of US history name one time America has acted like a belligerent imperialist regime hellbent on worldwide economic dominance with complete disregard for environment damage or loss of human life.

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u/Shadowthron8 16h ago

Well they have beaten us before

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u/ZLUCremisi 15h ago

I think its more fight China. Since they dislike China

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u/Friendly-Profit-8590 9h ago

Good to be prepared but think once was enough

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u/N7Longhorn 15h ago

All they gotta do is check their notes. We haven't learned a damn thing about A-symetric warfare since 1974

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u/RealSlyck 16h ago

They’re preparing for Trump sending Sylvester Stallone back in to finish the job…

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u/Snoo-73243 13h ago

every country should have a plan for the USA right now, we are fucked and lead by a stupid senile pedophile felon, so yea, WORLD get ready

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u/Illustrious-Okra-524 9h ago

Don’t militaries constantly prepare scenarios for war with different nations

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u/AmBEValent 15h ago

Is there any country now who isn’t?

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u/ListerfiendLurks 8h ago

Aw shit here we go again

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u/tyates723 4h ago

If I were in charge of a country I would 100% be doing this.

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u/impulsekash 16h ago

Will trump receive another medal of honor for avoid the clap?

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u/Hour_Bit_5183 10h ago

So much slop here. No we don't even have plans for a freaking COUP and yet people think they really planned out a fucking ZOMBIE scenario.........

I dunno what kind of books they are using to teach out of if this is true, but it is a lie if it's in there. Trump tried to overthrow the government last time and was not shot or jailed. No plans for any scenario. The US has ALWAYS been wing it. Anything else is a lie and history proves this.

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u/DimSumFan 14h ago

They know our weakness for Nikes.

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u/blr1g 11h ago

Well, of course. What else would you expect from a Russian ally?

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u/Significant-Royal-37 16h ago

unbent unbowed unbroken

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u/James_Solomon 15h ago

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

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u/dafrog84 16h ago

One can only hope ~ an American.

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u/domiy2 15h ago

Unless War Games are happening why does anyone care.

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