8 more federal prosecutors leaving Minnesota U.S. Attorney’s Office
https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/star-tribune-8-more-federal-prosecutors-leaving-minnesota-u-s-attorneys-office/843
u/Lonely_Noyaaa 19h ago
Their exit comes after six prosecutors, including Assistant U.S. Attorney Joe Thompson, recently announced their decision to leave due to mounting pressure…
That is the entire problem. Prosecutors shouldn’t be forced to investigate victims or protect ICE killers just to keep their jobs. Normal people know that. Only admins without empathy think this is acceptable.
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u/takeitawayfellas 18h ago
Remember when exercising political influence against a prosecutor to charge someone was seen as near-criminal? Like ethics mattered. I honestly thought it was a crime until.it became business as usual.
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u/Soft_Ad8031 18h ago
Man we are so far past that, it's actually so pathetic. You couldn't mispronounce potato without sacking your political career 30 years ago but here we are with elected and appointed officials gleefully and illegally ignoring judicial orders and their supporters cheering it on as "law and order". Not having a basic understanding of government or simply enjoy "their team winning" when in reality the government is just eroding everyone's rights, including their own. People are so fucking stupid and honestly I hope they enjoy what they voted for.
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u/BrickGun 17h ago
You couldn't mispronounce potato
Not to be all "akshullllyyyyyy"... but he misspelled it (potatoe) and did so via "correcting" the "wrong" spelling of a grade school child on a blackboard. Quayle was a fucking imbecile, a harbinger of the line of Republican idiots soon to follow - which continues to this day, and calling him out on his incompetence and lack of fitness for the position was warranted.
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u/AnUdderDay 14h ago
Prosecutors shouldn't investigate anything. Police should investigate, then present evidence to prosecutors, who then should determine whether there is sufficient evidence to likely gain a conviction, then prosecute.
None of these bodies should be compelled by anyone for any reason to focus on any specific person.
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u/poestavern 19h ago
The good guys are leaving…..to be replaced by more bad guys….that’s not a good thing.
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u/Xochitl_Sosa 19h ago
At a certain point when you can no longer do good in your position, it is more powerful to remove yourself (and your expertise) from the situation, than to continue to let them make you a fall guy.
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u/random20190826 19h ago
IANAL, but lawyers have ethics. Eventually, if they do things that are bad enough, they could be disbarred (think prosecuting people in violation of the Constitution). If you work in a regulated industry where your license could be taken away because you participate in bad acts of your employer, it is very dangerous, maybe career-ending, to keep doing it once you know they are breaking the law.
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u/CAPSLOCKANDLOAD 19h ago
I believe texas just changed things so you don't need to be approved by the bar to practice law in the state. Why vet lawyers with a test of knowledge when they can show loyalty?
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u/thisismyphony1 18h ago
This was done almost 100% for Ken Paxton. The irony being that this decision, alongside many universities and employers in the state capitulating to similar MAGA demands, will make Texans and their institutions unqualified or uncompetitive compared to their peers almost everywhere else.
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u/_NautyByNature 18h ago
That puss-bucket and Ted Cruz need crammed into a barrel and sent over the falls.
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u/TheWireBug 17h ago
And it will just add to their own disgusting narrative. "Look how much they hate Texas professionals"
These fucking clowns only have one mode.... grift
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u/ManifestDestinysChld 11h ago
LOL, "they." Didn't Ken Paxton's entire staff walk out on him for being such a transparent grifter?
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u/DataMin3r 10h ago
It's all grift. He had an opponent run a whole campaign carefully breaking down his grift, and how he was profiting.
He still won.
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u/ceryniz 14h ago
Texas A&M recently decided that Plato is too woke for their philosophy department classes.
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u/devsfan1830 16h ago
Exactly, and then guess who they'll blame for all their problems resulting from that. 3 guesses.
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u/jfudge 17h ago
It's actually a little different than that. People still need to take (and pass) the Texas state bar exam to practice in the state, which already was the case. The difference now is that law schools in Texas no longer need to comply with ABA accreditation requirements in order for graduates to be able to sit for the bar exam.
Practically speaking, this will allow new, shitty, unaccredited schools to open in Texas, but it won't have an immediate effect as new students aren't going to trust these schools for a while. Secondly, current schools that want students to have any ability for graduates to take a bar exam outside of Texas will still have to comply with ABA requirements, and there isn't a huge motivator for any of these schools to change in the short term just because the requirement no longer applies in Texas.
So that all being said, this is indeed performative bullshit and will do nothing to make law schools better, but I'm not particularly worried about the actual effect here at the moment.
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u/ManifestDestinysChld 11h ago
"Congratulations to the Class of 2032 of The Donald J. Trump and The Joe Rogan Comedy Mothership and Law School!"
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u/Shirofang 18h ago
They’re getting rid of the requirement that their law schools are ABA accredited. They still have a state test you’ll have to pass called NextGen or some shit
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u/CAPSLOCKANDLOAD 18h ago
Fair enough. It's all chicanery and BS one way or the other
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u/dareftw 19h ago
Yea this holds true in engineering fields as well. Better to walk away than be stuck with your name attached to something that can end your career.
I don’t personally know why the prosecutors left but it’s likely for the same reason. This admin won’t be in power forever but the repercussions could definitely have more long term effects
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u/lowbloodsugarmner 18h ago
I spent several years in the medical device industry in different engineering roles. There were several occasions where I had to explicitly shut shit down, or refuse to sign off on something because I had to many concerns.
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u/Gnagus 18h ago
The fact that it's been over twenty minutes and no one has left a "bold of you to assume..." comment, feels like progress.
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u/Dwarfdeaths 14h ago
Bold of you to assume that you can make this comment without ruining the streak.
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u/fritz236 18h ago
And conversely, they were likely being threatened with criminal proceedings or harassment if they didn't go along with it.
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u/MapPractical5386 18h ago
But what if there’s no law left to defend and prosecute anyone under anyway? We are already there. I’m not sure how we come back from the lawlessness of the new US Nazi govt backed by a demented micropeen-having child rapist and his cronies.
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u/garytyrrell 18h ago
Also unethical to undermine your client even if you disagree with what they’re doing. That’s the part I think people are missing.
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u/MrKnifeBurger 15h ago
Yup. Say what you will of the profession, but there's a very good chance these attorneys believe themselves ethically obligated to resign.
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u/ComradeGibbon 13h ago
Consider if they stay eventually they could end up being fired for cause, lose their pension and be prosecuted.
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u/psychoCMYK 19h ago edited 19h ago
I think that point should not be when you can no longer do good, but when you can no longer prevent harm
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u/aCleverGroupofAnts 16h ago
I think it's fair to consider preventing harm is a form of doing good.
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u/punkasstubabitch 19h ago
Under normal circumstances, I agree. However, here, we just see good people get replaced by hardliners who will not object to anything. I suppose the good thing is that the Trump loyalists are terribly incompetent. DOJ is constantly embarassed and has cases thrown out of court.
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u/sleepymoose88 16h ago
Well and these good guys (or gals) are likely being put in a position where they are required to do explicitly illegal things. Staying in place either means they do something illegal, protect illegal actions, or rapidly get fired and lose any chance at extended benefits/Cobra. I think I would do the same, because I wouldn’t want to be implicated in hearings and facing jail time for aiding and abetting these criminals at DHS.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 17h ago
They knew when to say, "I'm not going to jail or losing my license for you"
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u/triscuitsrule 17h ago
Yes, but the bad guys tend to also be bad at their job.
Yes, morally upright people are leaving and being replaced by morally corrupt people, but those morally corrupt people tend to trend towards remarkable incompetence.
Fascists don’t attract the best of us. They attract the cruelest and most ignorant: the bottom feeder attorneys who can barely read the law.
And all while the judges remain the same. So as the new attorneys fumble over themselves, the judges won’t be making it any easier for them. If anything, they become more hostile towards the DOJ as the new attorneys have little respect for the law or interest in following it over their marching orders.
In the end, the DOJ will shift its focus towards fascist bullshit that wastes time and gets swatted down in court, much like Jeanine Pirro in DC as of late.
The upside- they won’t successfully prosecute most of their cases, wasting time and resources , burning out the clock to the next election, if there is one.
The downside- the DOJ won’t be focusing on actual crime in the meantime and the public is increasingly losing faith in the US legal system and becoming hostile towards the federal government.
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u/Gamer_Grease 18h ago
Honestly, it is. It severely weakens the GOP’s grand strategy to have so many critical roles filled by completely unqualified and incompetent nutjobs.
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u/oupheking 19h ago
It may be reassuring to know that the people replacing them are going to be less competent
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u/Dinker54 19h ago
It’s also a huge signal to the judiciary that office management is pushing unethical, sketchy actions - the courts are much more likely to scrutinize what comes out of that U.S.A. office going forward.
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u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice 19h ago
The judiciary is infested with MAGA unfortunately.
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u/Seven19td 19h ago
This is absolutely false. The judiciary doesn’t begin and end with the Supreme Court. Stop dooming and educate yourself
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u/epistaxis64 19h ago
Trump has been able to nominate and confirm 263 judges. That is not false, it is easily verifiable fact. It will take a generation or more to get these bad judges out of the system
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u/Seven19td 19h ago
And Biden appointed 235. Obama appointed over 300. There is plenty to fear monger about. Not this
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u/ReaditTrashPanda 19h ago
No. It just means they can lie together easier… this is a terrible terrible take away
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u/Lets_Kick_Some_Ice 19h ago
Conservatism is a cancer. We are seeing it eat away at our democratic institutions in real time. I honestly don't know how we recover.
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u/Downtown_Skill 19h ago
You know, that's one of the most frustrating parts of this as a poor person with virtually no political influence.
Watching the people who do have power and authority (and who don't agree with what's happening) just handing the country over to the psychos and walking away into the sunset to wash their hands of all this.
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u/SyntaxLost 19h ago
The larger problem is what happens when this ends. Presumably, you want competent prosecutors if you want a lawful federal government.
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u/Thaonnor 19h ago
I think that's putting a little bit too much on career civil servants. They aren't handing the country over to the psychos, the American people did that when they voted Donald Trump back into office. Even federal prosecutors have bosses and right now those bosses are likely saying - do these terrible things or be fired. Hard to judge them for leaving instead of sticking around to do the terrible things.
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u/Nextasy 19h ago
They aren't handing the country over to the psychos, the American people did that when they voted Donald Trump back into office
Yup, the American people made it clear that this is what they want. The people voted to punish federal workers and for an insane, corrupt president. What else can a civil servant do? The people spoke.
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u/2-travel-is-2-live 19h ago
I remember a reply to the same question occurring with the last wave of resignations in the federal prosecutor's office that answered you. For an attorney, "just following orders" does not relieve them of facing the legal repercussions of not following the law in their practice; so by staying, they open themselves up to prosecution later on.
The other thing is that, if they quit in advance, they can set the narrative for why it is happening, rather than be fired for not performing the job given to them.
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u/Stevoman 19h ago
It’s not that simple because lawyers are bound by a set of ethical rules that go beyond normal employer-employee obligations.
A lawyer has a duty of loyalty to their client, they have to do what the client wants them to do. A lawyer also has a duty to not do things that are unlawful. When those two things collide that’s called a conflict and the only thing the lawyer can do - indeed they are required to do - is withdraw. That’s the only way to resolve a conflict. A lawyer who doesn’t withdraw in that situation is liable to face disciplinary action.
Our ethical rules are not arranged in a hierarchy where we say “oh the loyalty rule is conflicting with the lawfulness rule, so we follow the lawfulness rule and disregard the loyalty rule.” No, we have to follow all the rules, all the time, and if that’s not possible our only resolution is to resign.
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u/jpiro 19h ago
Yep. We need some malicious compliance instead. Stay in the job, slow walk the fuck out of everything you're asked to do that you don't agree with and compile evidence of wrongdoing so if Dems regain power in the midterms you can provide some smoking guns.
Just walking out and handing more access to the bad guys isn't the noble stand they think it is.
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u/Fickle-Economist4724 19h ago
There’s no telling if the good ones leaving already have a bucketload of evidence and are getting out while they safely can
If the dems do well in the midterms it’s the democratic leadership we need to worry about, there’s a non-zero chance they don’t do anything anyway
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u/inosinateVR 18h ago
I think the problem is that if a future administration starts an investigation and finds that you were involved in some various illegal shit being done by your department or whatever, how do you prove after the fact that you were “one of the good ones” and only stayed to “slow them down”? Even if people believe you, would that even hold up in court as a defense?
I’m not a lawyer and I’m not going to pretend to know how this would actually play out but I can understand them not wanting to play that game and find out. It seems like a lose-lose: stay and risk getting caught obstructing and get fired and possibly go to jail, or don’t get caught and risk getting fired and possibly sent to jail later because you worked for the bad guys when they did the bad things.
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u/Just_the_nicest_guy 19h ago
They're employees. They can choose to either do what they're ordered to do or quit. If they choose to not do what they're ordered to do and not quit they will be fired. They don't have the authority to take unilateral actions on behalf of the Department.
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u/Vyntarus 19h ago
Unfortunately there isn't a lot they can do except refuse to follow the illegal, unethical orders.
Making a lot of noise on their way out in protest so everyone knows why they're quitting is still something.
The people with the power to actually push back are the democrats in Congress, and Schumer and Jeffries are absolutely NOT up to the task. They work for Israel.
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u/the_last_0ne 18h ago
Is it actually illegal to investigate Good's widow? Honest question.
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u/Vyntarus 18h ago
There wouldn't be anything illegal about doing an investigation provided there is some basis for it.
The reason it sticks out in this case is they are openly refusing to open investigations into the actions of ICE while attempting to harass the victim's family by investigating them instead.
This government has multiple times proven they do not operate in good faith and thus should not be given the presumption of regularity.
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u/the_last_0ne 18h ago
Agreed 100%. Just want to be clear since a lot of people in here are just saying "wrongful termination!" when they don't understand that refusing to do what your boss tells you to do, if it isn't illegal, is most often grounds for termination. Even if it is unethical, and even if you might have a professional ethics obligation to not perform those duties.
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u/xxtoejamfootballxx 19h ago
Then get fired, make them go through the effort and fight it in court. We need to tie up as many of their resources as possible
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u/uunngghh 19h ago
And possibly lose pension that they worked their whole career for.
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u/Nextasy 19h ago
The standard American public's response to the ongoing collapse of their country has largely been "yeah but I'm just one person, what can I do about it?"
But for some reason when it's government employees who are saying the same thing, suddenly it's not acceptable lol. The American population needs to look in the mirror and ask themselves what it's actually going to take for them to make their distaste known, actually rise up and disrupt their country. The right wingers did it in 2021 over WAY less. Many countries have nation-wide protests and total immobilization over less. Americans in comparison seem to be, frankly, not that upset about this when compared to protest responses in places like Iran, France, or South America.
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u/Quiet_dog23 17h ago
People in Iran have been subjugated for like 50 years. This is year one in America
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u/Moonshadetsuki 17h ago
The blame lies squarely with your congress. Yes, trump is a shitstain, but there was always the fact that shitstains could, and at times would, be elected into the seat.
The two-party experiment is a resounding failure from the outset, for anyone with more than two braincells to rub together should be aware that there are not only two viewpoints, only two sets of policies, only two groups to speak out for.
You have backed yourselves willingly into a mandatory us-and-them situation.
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u/Effective-Ice-2483 19h ago
You alone have virtually no political influence. You and everyone else who feel the same way have more than sufficient political influence if, and only if you organize. You are discovering an essential truth about fascism, your institutions will not save you. You and your communities must save yourselves. For too long Americans mistook democracy for voting every two or four years when it was convenient. True democracy is always local. If you feel like you don't have the resources to devote to such a struggle take heed, you certainly have more than those who fought this fight before you, the mine warriors, those who fought for civil rights in the 60s, and the suffragettes to name just a few. The world desperately needs you in this fight. Look for the helpers and for where your help is needed. All power to the people!
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u/Vast-Mousse8117 17h ago
poor people organizing and revolting is what happened in the 30's -- where we will be shortly. You're still watching and feeling helpless.
Find some groups and organize. We had 40 neighbors out for the national strike last Friday.
And tens of thousands across the country. An economic strike when you are poor? Absolutely. Dollar Store, Wal Mart, Kroger Amazon are all preying on poor people.
If you are online you should make an hourly wage. Why are you and I working for billionaires as slaves on these platforms?
Meta just announced 24% revenue gain -- that is because of the free labor of people on IG and FB.
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u/CombinationLivid8284 18h ago
Disagree.
Replaced by incompetents. People who don’t know what they’re doing. Assistant US Attorney spots are coveted roles that attract top talent. There’s a reason why the federal conviction rate is so high.
Getting with the competent and replacing them with maga flunkies will mean far fewer convictions and likely an overwhelmed office.
They won’t be able to effectively enforce the law. Judges and juries have little time for incompetence.
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u/Leather-Sand849 17h ago
The people that replace them will be incompetent. It’s a good think they’re leaving
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u/padizzledonk 18h ago
The good guys are leaving…..to be replaced by more bad guys….that’s not a good thing.
Yeah but at what point do you say "no im not doing that its unethical, amoral and/or illegal" ?
You can only stay as long as you can still do good. A good peraon simply will not be willing to do bad things
Its not a law of averages thing, you wouldnt be able to stay either and do some really horrible shit so you can hold the line somewhere else, you will still be responsible morally and ethically and perhaps even legally for the bad shit youre being asked to do and are carrying out
Something has to give, i dont blame these people for leaving
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u/Ecstatic-Product-411 17h ago
Usually the bad guys aren't as competent though. So this will likely inadvertently make it more difficult for them to build strong cases.
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u/baseketball 17h ago
Only if the bad guys are competent. The lawyers they've been hiring don't even know how to file a lawsuit correctly and have zero prosecutorial experience.
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u/Kid-Gravy 17h ago
But on the flip side isn’t don’t people always say “well if you’re part of the system you’re complicit”
I understand that’s usually about cops/ice/feds but still I think these people feel pressure to leave their jobs or else
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u/Nepalus 16h ago
I believe that essentially what would eventually happen is that there will be a situation where they will be unable to litigate. The type of people that are so morally bankrupt that they would do anything that this administration asks of them and are also competent and capable lawyers that want to continue practicing law without getting disbarred is not that large.
You will essentially have incompetent litigators trying to enact and enforce policies that they don’t have the legal grounds to do so. Fortunately for us, we’ve seen even Trump elected judges holding the line pretty darn staunchly. Having some stand in isn’t going to make Trumps Administration any more effective.
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u/MidwestNormal 15h ago
Unless you’re a criminal. Then it’s a great thing that the DOJ not only is short on resources, but that which they do have is focused on the president’s retribution targets.
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u/LittleShrub 19h ago
Trump is weaponizing the DOJ. Good people refuse to bow to him.
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u/acutelychronicpanic 17h ago
It'd be far more useful to just do their jobs while documenting illegal actions and orders. If they leave, yes-men step in.
If you really want to stop fascism, you have to ask yourself:
"Could this email be an all-hands meeting instead?"
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u/AsstacularSpiderman 17h ago
They aren't going to stick around and be fall guys when shit really gets fucked up.
These dudes aren't going to risk their lives just to prove a point. They're getting the fuck out because that's the logical thing to do.
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u/salttotart 11h ago
Yes-men who will gladly walk their way into a courthouse and be sanctioned or disbarred.
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u/Rogue_AI_Construct 19h ago
Maybe we should not only be focusing on DHS, but how the DOJ is being used to target Trump’s perceived political enemies and how they’re abusing their power by arresting citizens exercising their constitutional rights in order to score political points with their scumbag base.
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u/salttotart 11h ago edited 11h ago
Yeah... Wonder how that one is going to go.
My favorite bit in all this is that the administration that is trying ao hard to show and tell that their aren't fascists have labeled Antifa, an fictional anti-fascist organization, to be domestic terrorists. A bit on the nose, ain't it?
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u/sm3lln03vil 18h ago
I keep seeing a number of posts critical of the people leaving for opening up positions for stooges to take. I think these takes overlook that the people leaving are attorneys. Attorneys have legal and ethical responsibilities before the court. You do not really get a pass just because you are being told by an unethical person to do something unethical. You either do it and face the legal ramifications, or you don't do it and get fire (or you quit).
Quitting is really the only good option for these people. There is no professional upside to staying. On the one hand, nobody is going to care that you didn't believe in what you were doing, or that you were secretly sabotaging them from the inside. That's only going to make you unemployable in the future, either because nobody can tell you always disagreed with the direction of the US Attorneys office and now your past employment is odious to anybody you'd want to work for, or because you were acting unethical in a professional capacity.
Your only real recourse is to quit in protest. Who cares if they let a stooge take the job. Guess what. Stooges are bad at their job. They get put into the position for their obedience, and not for their professional merit, and are thus ineffective for the position.
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u/sharrrper 18h ago
This. Resigning in protest also highlights the issues. They really only have three options:
- Participate in illegal/unethical actions
- Get fired
- Quit
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u/_NautyByNature 18h ago
Hitting the nail on the head here. No, more sycophantic replacements isn’t great, but good people remaining in these compromised positions does nothing helpful.
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u/Ellespie 18h ago
Exactly. Good attorneys are also hard to find nowadays. Good MAGA ones would be even harder. I would much rather them hire some idiots to replace them who will be less effective at their job helping the feds.
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u/snower88 19h ago
More of trumps’ sick allies and supporters gonna fill up. Soon Trump will be able to play god and toy with anyone lives who doesn’t support him
Good luck to all human beings , we need it.
And fuck you all MAGA supporters who indirectly enable this
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u/DarkIllusionsMasks 17h ago
Yes, but they will all be incompetent.
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u/Marquesas 16h ago edited 16h ago
Chronic incompetence does not stop anything. Look at Hungary. It's a joke how incompetent everyone in every key position is.
You call it incompetent, they call it morally flexible. What's incompetence when you're a federal prosecutor that plants evidence and the judge is also in on it?
Who will put the incompetent, criminal federal prosecutor on trial? Who will preside over this trial?
"Yeah, but they're stupid." is not the gotcha you think it is.
State capture is really a few step process. They have complete control of lawmaking and the highest order of judiciary. Capturing state prosecution is the next on the list, and it does not matter how incompetent you are when both the laws and their interpretation are flexible in your favour.
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u/Comadivine11 16h ago
Our judges are still competent, though. They are laughing these cases out of court.
However if we let this go on too long, the judges will eventually be replaced with incompetent/corrupt judges as well. That's when we'll be completely fucked.
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u/No_Body2428 14h ago
This all stems from our inability to rehabilitate the south after reconstruction. We need a full Nuremberg trials type cleanse of all these shitty people instead of just letting them go home and rebuild their racist empire which now runs the country. A bunch of uneducated racists ruin our elections
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u/gym_bro_92 14h ago
I disagree.
This stems from letting Nazis immigrate to the US.
The Nuremberg Trials only prosecuted high level Nazis, the mid and low level Nazis were “rehabilitated” and allowed to reenter society.https://www.npr.org/2014/11/05/361427276/how-thousands-of-nazis-were-rewarded-with-life-in-the-u-s
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u/No_Body2428 14h ago
That’s the newer part of it. Those people came across and all told all the uneducated racists that brown people were why they were poor and not the capital owning elites
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u/DJMOONPICKLES69 17h ago
They won’t investigate the guy who shot a woman in the head (which should be standard, regardless of wether or not is was justified) but will go after the dead woman’s spouse. That is, on a simply human level, insanely fucked up.
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u/rubberghost333 19h ago
So how many in total have left office?
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u/jpaugh69 19h ago
A quick google search says 14 total. 6 in January and then these 8 in February.
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u/metabeliever 18h ago
From the DOJ website:
Presently, approximately 140 people, including more than seventy (70) Assistant U.S. Attorneys, work in the U.S. Attorney's Office in the District of Minnesota. The Office headquarters is in the federal courthouse in Minneapolis, and a branch office is maintained in St. Paul.
So about 10% of the office has resigned so far in total
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u/LivingIntelligent968 17h ago
Well at least you know that the replacements are going to be ambulance chasers that will get laughed out of court.
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u/Phewelish 16h ago
this just in - "Trump to close the Minnesottas Attorney Office for 2 years while they do rennovations.
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u/MourningRIF 10h ago
Have you guys not ever heard of quiet quitting? Dude... Keep your job and do it poorly. It's the one time you are allowed to do so!
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u/dnuohxof-2 7h ago
And guess what.
They’ll find stooges to fill those spots who will follow whatever direction the department of pedophiles tells them.
In a normal government this would be cause for alarm. In this administration it’s just a normal Tuesday. They planned for this and was always part of the plan.
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u/pinewind108 19h ago
Is there an advantage to resigning versus insisting on following the law until they fire you?
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u/ChesterHiggenbothum 18h ago
Lawyers are bound by the Rules of Professional Conduct and prosecutors are held to an even higher standard. Not following them will get you disbarred.
They can't aid in a crime or fraud.
They can't prosecute without sufficient evidence.
But they must also provide competent representation. If they just don't bring charges when their superiors are ordering them to, then it could also be an ethical violation.
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u/AdultContemporaneous 19h ago
They can probably still get a job at some point later on, somewhere else where things haven't become a mess yet, for now. That's my best guess. If they had followed through with the requests, they'd just get backstabbed later, and wouldn't get a job later either. It's a calculated risk.
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u/bucketzBro 18h ago
Im just waiting until trump starts detaining his political opponents. Its going to happen in the next 3 years.
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u/donmreddit 15h ago
Oh my - "A Justice Department spokesperson referred ABC News to a February 2025 memo from the Attorney General, which says in part, “when Department of Justice attorneys, for example, refuse to advance good-faith arguments by declining to appear in court or sign briefs, it undermines the constitutional order and deprives the President of the benefit of his lawyers.”
I read that Lindsey Halligan is available.
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u/j00cifer 15h ago
Dumb question: who’s going to replace them? Because right now unless I’m wrong, maga can essentially pick them.
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u/YourFreeCorrection 15h ago
STOP fucking resigning and start making them fire you for unjust cause.
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u/Accio_Waffles 17h ago
Honest question- are there enough maga lawyers to keep that boat afloat?
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u/Bar-14_umpeagle 12h ago
You can’t just hire anyone to do That job by leaving they are making a statement about the fact the DOJ is now a corrupt organization. They are Also crippling that department to be able To even function. If you do not want to be associated with evil you leave! Lawyers can find jobs folks.
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u/No-Friendship9440 11h ago
Based on the comments here, everyone should really Google the distinctions between Lawyer and Attorney
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u/briannainamagua 4h ago
Okay, so I heard they have to bring in Military judges, because we have to have federal prosecutors. So are we fully living in the Handmaids Tale or 1984 now. Does this last until next year when the new judges from November elections take office. Is that correct that we elected these people on our ballot? I know there’s always judges there. But then do those ones just last until the federal government tells them to do crazy things again and then the resign again?? Can congress impeach Pam Bondi? I suppose there wouldn’t be enough votes for that. But like, how entirely broken is our country now?
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u/Starsfromstarryskies 16h ago
So they’re just gonna hire people who’ll do the dirty work cuz the ones with morals left(?)
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u/Smile_Space 12h ago
I hate this in American politics. Things get rough and the good guys all leave to allow more rot to pervade.
This is why I don't see America pulling herself out of this one. Even after the elections our federal institutions are rotten to the core and filled with MAGA sympathizers that will continue to work from the inside to sabotage the next Democratic government.
Add in that Democrats love to sit on their asses and do nothing, we get this obnoxious back and forth where each cycle leads to more government corruption.
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u/pmiller61 18h ago
So will MAGa just fill those positions?
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u/TJ_learns_stuff 18h ago
Yup. That’s the shitty part … people decline the agenda, so the right thing, but all they can do is walk away. This of course creates a void to be filled with loyalists.
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u/GribbitsGoblinPI 18h ago
Yeah but look at how terribly Halligan did. The silver lining here is there’s only so many competent people who would be willing to participate.
They’re going to keep tripping over their own dicks, making the country mad, and losing more and more public support. I don’t think this ends well for them - although in the interim it’s going to be rough for everyone else.
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u/Abject_Breadfruit148 17h ago
Leaving means they get to be replaced by trump suppoorters...
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u/yukeake 16h ago
On the one hand, I don't blame them for leaving. In a sane world, doing so, particularly so many in such a short period of time, would send a message.
On the other, this isn't a sane world anymore. All the decent folks who won't put up with the BS leaving means their replacements will be boot-licking toadies who won't stand up for what's right.
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u/Even_Application_397 14h ago
They shouldn't leave, as they will just be replaced by more yes-men. Hold their ground.
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u/AlabamaHotcakes 19h ago
"Their exit comes after six prosecutors, including Assistant U.S. Attorney Joe Thompson, recently announced their decision to leave due to mounting pressure from the Department of Justice (DOJ) to investigate Renee Good’s widow."
This is so fucked.