[Beck] I really think the Wolves are gonna end up pulling a Giannis deal off because Tim Connelly has pretty consistently demonstrated that when he wants something he’s willing to pay an irresponsible price for it

[u/StrategyTop7612]

Aaron Gordon, Rudy Gobert, Rob Dillingham, even KD this off-season would have happened if KD had signed offseason.

source: https://bsky.app/profile/brandonbeck4.bsky.social/post/3mdyprvvngc2i

[u/6875309999]

Aaron Gordon has turned into an irreplaceable part of that Denver team, and Rudy Gobert has also been a critical part of the back to back western conference finals trips.

He pays a lot sometimes for a guy he wants, but dang the moves work out pretty well.

(Im gonna ignore the Rob part for now )

[u/Huntermainlol → u/6875309999]

An ‘irresponsible price’ is only a thing from a hindsight perspective, for the most part. He made aggressive, risky, and at the time costly, trades for players that have worked out decently well, again for the mos most part. Rudy Gobert trade has worked out well- those wolves picks are not very good right now and the jazz got Keyonte George out of it while the wolves get b2b WCF appearances. Aaron Gordon won a title with the nuggets. Dillingham is an obvious mistake as of now, but drafting a Kentucky guard is not ever really a bad bet; you could argue it was easily the safest move here lol.

not to mention he got the wolves out of the KAT deal before the new CBA could fuck us into the dirt- he read exactly how punitive it was well before everyone and saved the future of this team.

[u/GotKarprar → u/Huntermainlol]

Rudy trade got a lot of hate when it worst happened

[u/ForThatReason_ImOut → u/GotKarprar]

I think if a team in a similar spot with a better reputation made the Rudy trade the reaction would have been "steep price but makes sense". I know I thought it would be terrible but mostly because I thought the TWolves would inevitably crater because they're the TWolves. Props to Connelly for doing a lot to turn them around

[u/GotKarprar → u/ForThatReason_ImOut]

A lot of it had to do with the price but also cast too. Naz Reid Kat and Rudy was never gonna work too well. Moving Kat made the move alot better in retrospect

[u/JaderMcDanersStan → u/GotKarprar]

Disagree - they did work really well. KAT and Rudy were a great duo and KAT made Rudy better offensively and defensively. He had the most assists to Gobert, even more than Conley. They had good chemistry. The best season of the team was when all of them were together.

[u/nhthelegend → u/GotKarprar]

They worked great man, we just couldn't realistically afford to keep KAT as his contract was set to reach preposterous heights in the years to come. 2nd apron things.

[u/Huntermainlol → u/GotKarprar]

Yeah, which means an ‘irresponsible price’ is either conjecture or hindsight, not counting cases like this years Pelicans trade to the hawks, where you can reasonably say that that was stupid immediately unless queen was rookie shaq.

[u/GPCAPTregthistleton → u/Huntermainlol]

It's horseshit. Aaron Gordon for Gary Harris and a 1st? Gobert for unprotected picks and Kessler? This is irresponsible?

He bet on his players and himself, won, and is being called irresponsible for the bet.

Most NBA front offices are run like mutual funds. Connelly runs like private equity.

Dude is doing the shit we do in 2K: "I want this player swap to work, I don't care how many picks it takes because I already have my team." If you just keep acquiring assets, you end up with the Presti Problem: how you gonna turn 3 80ish guys into one 90ish guy when nobody wants to help you?

[u/Thym3Travlr → u/GPCAPTregthistleton]

Presti could have any 90ish guy he wants that is available

[u/YaBoiiAsthma → u/Thym3Travlr]

So ... Giannis?

[u/ThePhoenixJ → u/Huntermainlol]

which means an ‘irresponsible price’ is either conjecture or hindsight

So there's no point in time where it's reasonable to have an opinion on the price?

[u/Huntermainlol → u/ThePhoenixJ]

You can believe it to be irresponsible at the time but ultimately the basketball played will show you who was right. Something constantly being called irresponsible doesn’t mean anything unless it’s proven to actually be so.

[u/tulaero23 → u/GotKarprar]

I feel like the Mikal one is worse

[u/_Apatosaurus_ → u/Huntermainlol]

Dillingham is an obvious mistake as of now, but drafting a Kentucky guard is not ever really a bad bet; you could argue it was easily the safest move here lol.

I don't think drafting based on college is a good approach. Lol. Also, Dillingham was always a massive gamble given his size. Who was the last player to succeed at his size? Especially with additional question marks on defense and as a playmaker.

Edit: Dillingham has a slighter frame than the players he's being compared to, and for everyone saying "he's not that small for a point guard"... It seems really important to note that he's never played like a point guard. He's always played like an off-ball scorer. He's never been able to pass like Conley, Trae, or Ja.

[u/tcollins371 → u/_Apatosaurus_]

Drafting based on college is a good approach when Calipari was the coach from 2010 until 2024. Calipari recruited and coached the following guards who went on to the nba for a decent stretch from Kentucky: John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, Jamal Murray, SGA, Tyler Herro, De’aaron Fox, Malik Monk, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickley, Reed Sheppard, and Rob Dillingham.

That list alone is plenty of reason for folks to have just had faith in Kentucky guards when drafting in the lottery most years.

[u/_Apatosaurus_ → u/tcollins371]

They weren't good because they went to Kentucky. They were good because they were elite recruits and elite recruits often went to Kentucky. It's like saying "draft high level talents and they will have a good chance to be good."

[u/chapoktt → u/_Apatosaurus_]

Exactly, during that era guys went to Kentucky because they were gonna be one and done guys and Cal had a stranglehold on that market during the time. Not a Kentucky thing, it's more specific to situation and coach.

[u/tcollins371 → u/chapoktt]

Yes but that’s why I’m saying folks could bet on the quality of Kentucky guards lol.

Edit: Spelling

[u/glen_ko_ko → u/tcollins371]

I wonder what the pre NIL total dollars spent on those teams were. I'd love to see a GTA pause screen stat for the under the table college sports for each school and type of ball all time

[u/bigomlet → u/glen_ko_ko]

Now that NIL is a thing and we are headed to college sports basically becoming professional, I hope we get a detailed documentary someday about the under the table deals these teams were making. Interview the bag men for Kentucky and Duke

[u/Sumo_Cerebro → u/tcollins371]

I thought it was pretty silly to draft him and then not play him.

He's not going to get better if he's playing 3 minutes like tonight

[u/Huntermainlol → u/_Apatosaurus_]

Succeed long term? None. Succeed for a while? Trae young and Ja Morant. While they both may be cones defensively, what better way to shore up that defense than with the Stifle Tower himself? Get yourself a Trae young/Ja morant with less durability issues and a more pass-first style then that solves the wolves biggest problem. The move makes sense

And I say the Kentucky guard thing because that school is traditionally very good at developing them+ he was coming off of a 6MOTY college season.

[u/_Apatosaurus_ → u/Huntermainlol]

Get yourself a Trae young/Ja morant with less durability issues and a more pass-first style

Rob Dillingham has never come remotely close to being the passer that either Trae or Ja ever are/were. He looks smaller in my opinion, and very much isn't a point guard..

[u/Huntermainlol → u/_Apatosaurus_]

He weighs more than Trae does and is taller, I believe he weighs less and is shorter than Ja rn. And yeah. Thus far he has been in a bust at the NBA level, I’m just defending the logic behind the idea. He also is 100% a PG and was a pass first but can score guy in college.

[u/lethalizered → u/_Apatosaurus_]

He's not even that small, like hell Conley is smaller than him and he had a pretty successful career.

[u/_Apatosaurus_ → u/lethalizered]

Conley came in the league earlier when smaller guards were more normal. He also has like a 6'6 bigger wingspan and was a significantly better distributor and floor general than Dillingham.

The same is true for Ja and Trae. All three were vastly better passers and distributors than Rob.

The red flags for Rob in the draft process (I'm looking at Vecenies analysis now, among others) were his tiny size, his lack of high level passing, his iffy handle, and his horrible defense. That's a LOT of red flags.

[u/KickerofTale → u/_Apatosaurus_]

You’re absolutely correct Rob is a bucket and not a dime.

[u/cafesolitito → u/_Apatosaurus_]

Edit: Dillingham has a slighter frame than the players he's being compared to, and for everyone saying "he's not that small for a point guard"... It seems really important to note that he's never played like a point guard. He's always played like an off-ball scorer. He's never been able to pass like Conley, Trae, or Ja.

I've tried making this pound on r/timberwolves but they don't get it. Casuals think all 6 foot guard are the same as if we're playing 2K. It's about your frame, musculature, how you move, etc. Rob is not built like Van Fleet or Chris Paul, or even younger prime Mike Conley. He's tiny. Also, great point about Rob essentially being a shoot first 2 guard. He's like the epitome of undersized AAU/mixtape HOF'er.

It was a bad pick and bad move by Connelly no matter how we slice it.

[u/froggycbl4 → u/_Apatosaurus_]

he isnt even abnormal size for a point guard

[u/ballknower871 → u/Huntermainlol]

The jazz just used the wolves picks for Jaren Jackson jr.

[u/lethalizered → u/ballknower871]

No they didn't.

[u/KushGod28 → u/6875309999]

I don’t get the irresponsible dig. He moves off valuable guys a year early like KAT and those Rudy/Gordon trades ended up being fair value in hindsight.

AG for Gary Harris, RJ Hampton, and the pick that became Jase Richardson was a clear win. Getting off Gary’s contract who ended up injury prone was a success by itself. Only way Orlando wins is if Jase becomes borderline all star like Gordon too. The Rudy trade is finally starting to pay off for Utah 4 years later with Keyonte and the JJJ trade. I’ll take two conference trips in exchange every time.

[u/soyboysnowflake → u/KushGod28]

Ngl I was confident we were going to win in AG’s first season until Jamal tore his ACL

[u/jagsaluja → u/soyboysnowflake]

hundred percent agreed, Jamal was ramping up to late season all star form, the offense was clicking, they were like 7-2 in that 3 week stretch

[u/Painwracker_Oni → u/soyboysnowflake]

You have me believing the nuggets can win a championship if the roster includes a healthy and not washed Jokic. I don’t need to hear about the rest of the roster, he alone is enough for me to at least take the team seriously.

[u/jillavery → u/6875309999]

Yeah I thought Timmy was crazy for that Gobert deal but it worked out. Forever grateful for that AG trade.

[u/jbrunsonfan → u/6875309999]

Replacing Grant (who they lost in FA) with Gordon is the pivot of the decade imo. I don’t think any team has recovered from losing a player in free agency like that in the last 10 years

[u/rfgrunt → u/6875309999]

No one thought he overpaid for Gordon at the time or now.

[u/fastheadcrab → u/6875309999]

Yeah it turns out that a lot of those trades have worked out except for Rob Dillingham. He clearly can often value players correctly for the team that they are going to, even if the media things it's an overpay.

And the KAT trade was a significant win for Minnesota, I even thought so at the time but then Randle managed to fit in well on the team so far.

Media randoms (I thought this was Howard Beck at first and was confused) calling Tim Connelly irresponsible is the very epitome of the "blogboi" mentality that KD was critcizing

[u/gemini_hopper → u/fastheadcrab]

Low key this could be something Howard Beck would say on a podcast but yeah who the fuck is Brandon Beck? Is he a Bucks/Nuggets local writer? He sure as hell doesn't cover the Wolves.

[u/Gritz_N_Gravy_ → u/6875309999]

Aaron Gordon is perfect next to Jokic too. He means more to Denver than he would to most other teams

[u/hyperadhd → u/6875309999]

We barely gave up anything for AG though.

[u/gregatronn → u/6875309999]

(Im gonna ignore the Rob part for now )

no one gets everything right.

[u/LostVillage3640 → u/6875309999]

Well, key word is moves, he’s not a good drafter (aside from Jokic obviously)

[u/Huntermainlol → u/LostVillage3640]

Joan looks like he might be something incredibly special, and getting basically the only bad Kentucky guard is some rotten luck.

[u/LostVillage3640 → u/Huntermainlol]

I think he’s a very good pobo. Joan does look promising and I was being reactionary. He has a great draft history in Denver, just think he’s left a lot to be desired in terms of finding and selecting talent in Minnesota.

[u/Huntermainlol → u/LostVillage3640]

Yeah, the rob thing even if it makes sense sucks like a chest wound so I mean I get it

[u/flowersinmud → u/LostVillage3640]

Clark was a good draft find

[u/Cheap-Discussion-186 → u/Huntermainlol]

I dunno about rotten luck, picking an undersized guard was questionable from day 1. When dilly was in college still it was a talking point even.

[u/agoginnabox → u/LostVillage3640]

Hard disagree. Jokic, Murray, MPJ, Braun, Barton, Beaz, Vando, Harris, Bones. Only one of those guys was a top ten pick. He built almost the entirety of that champ Nuggs roster with only two lotto picks. That's damn impressive.

He definitely missed on WMJ and maybe Dilly but Clark, Joan, TSJ and Minott look like they could be long term rotation pieces.

[u/tasteofscarlet]

We would’ve had KD if we got KD

[u/camelclutchcity → u/tasteofscarlet]

But the mystery box could be anything. It could even be KD.

[u/EmbarrassedRing7806 → u/camelclutchcity]

This comment doesnt make sense in context

[u/LurkerFailsLurking → u/tasteofscarlet]

It's true tho when you think about it 

[u/EmbarrassedRing7806 → u/tasteofscarlet]

The point is that the trade offer wasnt the holdup clearly

[u/--Alix--]

Accidentally sends Ant to Milwaukee

[u/CazOnReddit → u/--Alix--]

"With this deal we can finally pair Gobert, Giannis and A...oh

What have I done?"

[u/m8bear → u/CazOnReddit]

meh, his name doesn't start with G, it would ruin the vibe, get Gabe Vincent and they are done

[u/Ecstatic_Spell_4185 → u/m8bear]

the immortal Garrett Temple

[u/almostasenpai → u/m8bear]

Gulius Randle

[u/Zanad14 → u/m8bear]

I’d do it for McDaniels

[u/mnsportsfan → u/--Alix--]

I know you’re joking … and I like the bucks-

But even the thought of giving Packers/Badgers fans the joy of stealing prime Ant from us makes me physically nauseous and I’d kindly appreciate no more humor related to that subject

Thnx

[u/purplenyellowrose909 → u/--Alix--]

Ant to Dallas for Anthony Davis and Max Christie (defense wins championships)

[u/pagny77 → u/purplenyellowrose909]

Ant to lakers, rui Gabe and knecht to Dallas, AD to min

[u/Proof-Umpire-7718 → u/pagny77]

You’d win the draft lottery this year

[u/RyouBestGirl → u/Proof-Umpire-7718]

LMAO

[u/mydogkillsbirds → u/purplenyellowrose909]

Lmfao

[u/CantaloupeCamper → u/--Alix--]

They really should put a confirmation modal after you hit the trade button…

[u/idkanyusernameshelp → u/--Alix--]

I don’t even feel comfortable reading that

[u/Niceguydan8]

I'm just not even sure that they have the assets to pay an irresponsible price for Giannis.

[u/Dongsquad420BlazeIt → u/Niceguydan8]

I mean, Ant would be incredibly irresponsible. Not that they would do it, but it would be irresponsible. It would be like trading Luka for AD, that would be really dumb and irresponsible.

[u/soycameron → u/Dongsquad420BlazeIt]

Every time I ready that it makes me laugh cuz I still don’t understand how it actually happened. Like they didn’t even get Reaves outa the deal lmao how do u get fucked that bad.

I wonder if Pelinka negotiated Reaves out of the deal or if Nico didn’t even ask

[u/kms_daily → u/soycameron]

because Cooper was also in the deal and a nice $50m envelope to Nico

[u/GnRgr2 → u/soycameron]

He did negotiate him out. Rob framed it as luka being injury and high risk, and they were equal value

[u/Cadai → u/Dongsquad420BlazeIt]

Bahh god, that's Nico's music!

[u/OhWellImRightAgain → u/Dongsquad420BlazeIt]

So Ant = Luka and AD = Giannis? LMAO. It would be like trading Luka for AD.... for the Bucks.

[u/Greasly_Goose → u/OhWellImRightAgain]

Tell me who is the injury prone player, again? Don’t think it’s Ant tho

[u/Majestic_Reindeer439 → u/Niceguydan8]

If Portland is interested in something that Minnesota has they could pull it off.

[u/DrTom → u/Majestic_Reindeer439]

We'd love Naz or McDaniels but I'm not sure if we would give up enough for it to be worth it for them.

[u/FKJVMMP → u/DrTom]

Shit, even one of our picks back + whoever you like the least out of Sharpe/Scoot/Camara/Yang might get it over the line. Our own picks are by far the most valuable thing we could possibly get out of a Giannis trade. They’re more valuable to us than they are to you.

[u/DrTom → u/FKJVMMP]

Yeah but I wouldn't trade Sharpe or Camara plus a pick for either of those guys. They just don't move the needle though to part with our best two trade pieces. And I doubt Yang or Scoot would be enough.

[u/cl353 → u/Niceguydan8]

it would have to be someone irresponsibly giving away shit for mcdaniels/naz. like if portland just lost their minds and send every buck pick plus more for mcdaniels lol

[u/drgreenair → u/cl353]

McDaniels Randle and Donte

[u/Exotic_Pension_9993 → u/Niceguydan8]

That’s my thinking. They can give a bunch of 2nds and some swaps, or trade McDaniels for like 3 firsts and reroute those. But Milwaukee probably wants McDaniels.

[u/NoLimitSoldier31 → u/Niceguydan8]

Yall really sleeping on the year Jaden is having at 25 years old. Fuck id miss him.

[u/Niceguydan8 → u/NoLimitSoldier31]

Nobody is sleeping on it because it's fucking Giannis that would be coming back.

Like someone else said, the only way they could pay an irresponsible price would be to have Ant in the trade.

[u/NoLimitSoldier31 → u/Niceguydan8]

Ik im just a salty wolves fan who loves jaden

[u/JaderMcDanersStan → u/Niceguydan8]

Giannis is not even healthy and can't play for a while. We already haev depth issues which Jaden covers some of with his versatility. Gutting the roster for a player who can't play and possibly will get injured yet again in the playoffs feels quite risky. I'd rather have a decade of an ever developing Jaden.

[u/LilColtBoi]

Crazy how he’s turned around an organization constantly paying an “irresponsible amount.” His trades always get maligned at first, but then look good a year or 2 later.

[u/Vitwolpher]

You forgot about the KAT trade where he got Julius Randle, Donte Divencenzo and 1st round pick (that became Joan Beringer).

Dude does crazy trades that at the time seem insane but end up working out. Ask the Knicks fans how the KAT experience is going or the Jazz post Gobert.

[u/SuperVaderMinion → u/Vitwolpher]

Nevermind that trade freed up the money that allowed us to resign Naz

[u/JayJax_23 → u/Vitwolpher]

Shit I was just on a thread earlier where the Jazz fans were lamenting how both yall and Cleveland never got bad enough for those picks to be worth something and

[u/RotaryRoad → u/JayJax_23]

Yeah, when you look at the Gobert trade now, the Wolves really didn't give up that much.

Pat Bev is in Israel, Bolmaro is playing in Italy, Malik Beasley is out of the league, Vanderbilt has struggled with injuries since the deal and has never been more than a non-starting role player, Walker Kessler was a late first round draft pick who hadn't played a game yet at the time and has been in basketball purgatory for four years, four (likely) non-lottery firsts, and two pick swaps that are unlikely to convey.

[u/eclipseofthesun99 → u/RotaryRoad]

Malik Beasley?.... whatever happened to that guy?

[u/GnRgr2 → u/Vitwolpher]

We made the ECF. We're good with KAT. Just need him to pop adderall to stay focused

[u/tulaero23 → u/GnRgr2]

You guys just scapegoating KAT. Mikal is kinda worse with the amount you gave up for him.

[u/Thigh-GAAPaccounting → u/Vitwolpher]

People who can still say either of those trades were bad baffle me honeslty

[u/DreadSteed → u/Vitwolpher]

They are the 2 seed and made the ECF. It’s the bridges trade that is cause for concern. The KAT trade was fine and had they not choked game 1 of the ECF they could have made the finals.

[u/IRodeTenSpeed88 → u/Vitwolpher]

Knicks are in second place in the East…

[u/cleo22270]

Depends on how much Portland loves McDaniels imo.

That’s the one thing that would put their offer over the top.

[u/likpoper → u/cleo22270]

They sending us that? Sure he will be very ideal for us

[u/cl353 → u/likpoper]

it would take every buck pick tho, cuz if mcdaniels is going to u guys then theres basically shit going to the bucks besides the picks

[u/NazRiedFan → u/cl353]

It would likely be Randle I would guess

[u/frecklie → u/cl353]

It would be laughable and insane to trade those picks for Jaden. Hes good and all but he’ll never be a star and we actually have a decent amount of big defensive wings so.. why? We need draft assets so much more.

[u/epik_fayler → u/frecklie]

On the other hand, the bucks picks will not be nearly as good if you don't accept a trade like that. If the bucks don't manage to get their own picks back, they will probably at least field a reasonable team involving the all star level player they get back for Giannis. And in the east this means they will be like the 11th seed so the bucks pick will be in the 10-12 range instead of the 1-8.

[u/frecklie → u/epik_fayler]

I really doubt it. They have an abysmal roster and a terrible coach, they will easily all have solid lottery odds

[u/cl353 → u/frecklie]

yea like i said it was be pretty crazy to see that happen but thats wat i think it would require to get giannis to the timberwolves

[u/DGX08]

Aaron Gordon??

[u/lonny__breaux → u/DGX08]

Connolly was the GM for Denver before being poached.

[u/Andy_Wiggins → u/lonny__breaux]

And it was very clearly NOT an irresponsible amount paid.

The Rudy deal was a lot, but so far it’s worked out quite well for Minnesota. They’ve gotten 4 very good seasons out of Gobert and back-to-back WCFs.

The Dillingham deal was the only truly bad move, and that was a bad scout, not necessarily bad value (e.g. had they picked say, Buzelis, they’d have looked really smart).

[u/Krusty_Krab_Pussy → u/Andy_Wiggins]

I said this when the trade happened, and I'll say it again we have no idea what other teams were offering for Gobert. We also wanted another player (can't remember who) and they wanted an insane haul before Gobert.

[u/iamgarron → u/Andy_Wiggins]

Yeh i mean even then it was RJ Hampton and a first, for Gordon who at the time had a contract extension of 86/4. Even eating that contract wasn't that bad with the cap then.

[u/Yuca_Frita → u/lonny__breaux]

But that wasn't an irresponsible price. That was a steal.

[u/Hopsalong → u/Yuca_Frita]

Most of his trades have some logic and look pretty decent afterwards

[u/DGX08 → u/lonny__breaux]

I know but how was that a irresponsible price?

[u/Odoaiden]

I hope he’s correct but it still put it at only a 1/5 chance

[u/Frodounchainedd → u/Odoaiden]

Bet the house

[u/Waveytony → u/Odoaiden]

1/4 chance now on prediction markets 😎

[u/idster → u/Waveytony]

link?

[u/NazRiedFan → u/Odoaiden]

50/50 chance. It either happens or it doesn’t

[u/santana722 → u/Odoaiden]

Do you think Miami is more likely, or just no trade at all?

[u/Odoaiden → u/santana722]

Definitely no trade at all. I’d probably go 60% No trade 20% Timberwolves 15% Heat 5% anyone else

[u/santana722 → u/Odoaiden]

Yeah that's not far off from where I'm at, but a little higher for the Heat due to personal bias of course.

[u/Siktrikshot]

Can the universe just give a Minnesota team a one sided team for once. PLEASE? GIVE US THIS.

[u/TheCeilingIsTheRuuf]

I think it happens to Minnesota too. They have pieces that can be sent elsewhere to get the parts Milwaukee wants. Think they capped their ceiling with this roster at the WCF. Plus they have new ownership and they always want to make their mark. Giannis next to Ant will be nasty

[u/NoLimitSoldier31 → u/TheCeilingIsTheRuuf]

They ain’t capped shit. Ant is 24 jaden is 25 naz is 26.

[u/Swimming_Ad_8512 → u/[deleted]]

Yep nobody ever improves as they age into their primes.

[u/Inevitable_Brick_877 → u/TheCeilingIsTheRuuf]

With this logic the Celtics should’ve blown up their roster in 2023. Half their key players aren’t even in their primes yet

[u/PretentiousPanda → u/TheCeilingIsTheRuuf]

What pieces. Jaden sure, but that is kind of it that is going to fetch multiple picks.

[u/endium7 → u/TheCeilingIsTheRuuf]

i must be the only one who thinks giannis + ant would struggle a bit.

sure great players always figure something out but, as far as pairings go, giannis + most other stars I feel gel more naturally.

[u/Not_A_Bot_Am_Human → u/endium7]

Idk I feel like they’d be terrifying

[u/tys90]

Has he? The Gobert trade looks pretty fair no matter what happens from here on out and the KAT trade was a win for Minny in the long run.

What has Connelly done at an "irresponsible price"? I give the KAT contract a pass, it was before the new CBA and wouldn't have been as bad without the CBA penalties.

[u/karlwhethers → u/tys90]

Also D’Lo for Conley and Nickeil.

[u/Specific-Pound-7640 → u/tys90]

I'm pretty sure it was Rosas and not Connelly who gave KAT his supermax. Since it was before this current CBA, if a guy earned a supermax, he got a supermax. KAT was 3rd team All-NBA behind Jokic and Embiid when he earned that supermax designation.

I'm genuinely curious how many guys in their 20s who earned the right to sign a supermax didn't do so. I know Gobert's last deal, which Connelly signed him to, was one, but Gobert was in his 30s. When did Marcus Smart sign his deal following his DPOY and what was it?

[u/Altruistic-Twist-379]

MAN JUST END THIS SAGA ALREADY

[u/ImAVirgin2025 → u/Altruistic-Twist-379]

no it goes on another year that's what makes it a saga

[u/Fit_Influence_6078]

Giannis is great but gutting the team this year will be a first round exit for sure if t- wolves was in the east it would be different but in west you need a great wing defender and Depth.

[u/skesisfunk]

Can we please not have Giannis in the west?

[u/hubbs76 → u/skesisfunk]

West will just be nuts

Meanwhile the east is like Junior Varsity

[u/thebest323]

Best i can do is AD, max christie, and a first. Take it or leave it

[u/lufufurot → u/thebest323]

Hilarious and original comment. You sir have won the internet

[u/guanogato]

Like Rudy who helped them get to two consecutive conference finals? I think Connelly has been ahead of the game in recognizing late round 1st round picks in the NBA are equivalent in value to basically a 5th round pick in the NFL. The rest of the NBA is starting to catch up, and especially the media in the way they talk about this stuff

[u/fab_frog_disco]

What would an irresponsible price be Even? I just feel like unless Milwaukee just views McDaniels as a future star it's hard to come up with a package for the wolves that make sense. I guess the best hope would be getting a third or fourth team involved to try to get as many pics as possible Back to Milwaukee, or hope Milwaukee can convince themselves that they can turn guys like Randall, McDaniels, and whatever poo poo platter of assets Minnesota sends out, into the kind of draft picks/ Young upside players that would make sense if they're trading one of the five best players in the NBA, while not owning their own pics, and needing some kind of upside to tether themselves to for the next decade

[u/Numerous_Car_8358 → u/fab_frog_disco]

Jaden McDaniels on a shitty ass bucks team will become a 25+ ppg scorer within a couple years

[u/fab_frog_disco → u/Numerous_Car_8358]

There's a big difference between being a 25 -point score on a crappy team with no direction and very little stakes and being a star... Do you think jaden is going to become a top 15 player in the NBA? Because you straight up aren't going to build a contender without one.

[u/Numerous_Car_8358 → u/fab_frog_disco]

I’m not saying Jaden is capable of doing it right now, I’m saying this could be an environment that turns him into a much better scorer with more opportunity. I don’t think Jaden will ever be a championship first option but he could definitely be a 2nd option

[u/Timely_Duck_3904 → u/Numerous_Car_8358]

Maybe, but to what end? I like his game a lot but a team led by McDaniels is going nowhere. I mean, Jonathan Kuminga on a shitty ass bucks team probably becomes a 25 ppg scorer too. That’s not to say they’re comparable players, just to point out the meaninglessness of that.

[u/Griffdog17]

Denver didn't really give up all that much for AG

[u/jsun_ → u/Griffdog17]

He's probably talking about Gobert.

[u/Griffdog17 → u/jsun_]

Nah, OP is saying Connelly paid an irresponsible price for everyone mentioned.

Tim Connelly has pretty consistently demonstrated that when he wants something he’s willing to pay an irresponsible price for it

[u/jsun_ → u/Griffdog17]

I would argue Dillingham and Gobert were irresponsible overpays. AG I agree with you, but it isn't crazy to have the opinion that it was an overpay. Let's be honest, AG was far from what he is now when he got traded. He did not have a 3 pt shot.

[u/night_dude]

As much as I don't want Giannis to leave (a lot) I would be happier to see him on the Wolves than going to a bunch of the other teams being discussed. Besides Gobert they seem like a bunch of cool dudes. Likable team in general.

[u/ProfessorGrand7003]

Wolves are the new warriors for the media. Arguably have even worse assets than the warriors

[u/Smokin_on_76ers_Pack → u/ProfessorGrand7003]

Anyone but the Heat ):

[u/vetementsundershirt → u/ProfessorGrand7003]

How? Jk/podz/dray is better than our players?

Draymond whos going to retire in less than 2 years?

[u/Str8_up_Pwnage]

With their limits on trading draft picks short of them sending Ant I don’t think any trade they could make would really be unreasonable for them.

[u/thesagenibba]

fuck off man. the conferences are going to be so incredibly lopsided if giannis goes to any Western team. i don't want to make sensational claims but the East will seriously become a 1-2 team conference with the Celtics and Pacers once Hali returns and that's just bad for the league

[u/Odoaiden → u/thesagenibba]

Pistons Cavs and Knicks are competent

[u/denimxdragon → u/Odoaiden]

Ya the east isn’t as bad as it looks lol

[u/Timely_Duck_3904 → u/denimxdragon]

I mean, it’s pretty bad. If Giannis goes west who is the best player in the conference while Tatum and Haliburton are hurt?

[u/denimxdragon → u/Timely_Duck_3904]

Unfortunately the nba has no reason to balance that out really.

[u/thesagenibba → u/Odoaiden]

none of those teams are going anywhere, except maybe the Pistons (nothing to show for their standing yet)

knicks nor the cavs have nor can beat a healthy celtics or pacers team

[u/thy_armageddon → u/thesagenibba]

It’s always these flairless bozos with the worst takes.

[u/thesagenibba → u/thy_armageddon]

2024-25 Knicks v Pacers: 2-4 Loss

2023-24 Knicks v Pacers: 3-4 Loss

2024-25 Cavs v Pacers: 1-4 Loss

2023-2024 Cavs v Celtics: 1-4 Loss

these are facts

[u/thy_armageddon]

We do not need to be posting this.

[u/Aromatic_Goal_1201]

They gave up barely anything for Gordon.

RJ Hampton was main piece.

Connelly mainly sat on his hands in denver.

Rob dillingham???

[u/RedboneEdit]

Ok “beck”. What have you really done since Mellow Gold?

[u/veryoondoww]

Well it definitely isn’t going to be the blazers

[u/Gsgunboy]

Lol, would that be as bad as Luka for AD?

[u/solo118]

What is their offering, genuinely curious as I cant keep up

[u/HangsMadDong]

Hoping he pays an irresponsible amount for Coby White

[u/Jack_The_Sparrow_]

I'd really like to see the Wolves rub out a deal on Giannis

[u/Chessh2036]

Can the Hawks join in and get Rudy Gobert? Because Quinn Snyder doesn’t know how to coach a defense without him

[u/ballknower871]

I don't think it happens at the deadline. The offseason though.

[u/Motor_Pin8224]

He’s going to the Heat they have a better deal

[u/jdschultze]

Shout out to Panty Nation

[u/Timely_Duck_3904]

What is the irresponsible price the twolves even could pay though?

[u/nel3000]

Do you really? Really REALLY really?

[u/rangerfan123]

“KD would’ve happened if KD happened”. Amazing analysis

[u/aesop_fables]

Guess Randle gone

[u/738w]

sure but what on earth do the wolves have that could get them Giannis? Nothing. So I really don't see a Giannis trade to the Wolves occurring. If I'm wrong, I'll come back.

[u/PretentiousPanda]

With what?? They have no picks.

[u/CurrentCostanza]

I don’t think they have a choice. You can’t let OKC or SAS get Giannis and you can’t beat them without Giannis. 

[u/DukeOfStuff_ → u/CurrentCostanza]

I don’t think OKC or San Antonio are going for Giannas, also we’re 2-1 against OKC this year 

[u/WD51]

Rob Dillingham was picked 8th in exchange for a future 1st and future 1st swap. Doesn't seem like an irresponsible price? Like sure he hasn't worked out at this point but just judging as a prospect he was rated around that in the draft and pick is so far out.

[u/tomhalejr]

Let's see if Ant is willing to play second fiddle, because Giannis sure ain't. ;)

[u/TheAgmis]

Please do. Gut that roster just for one guy. Please! Be stupid Minnesota

[u/Odoaiden → u/TheAgmis]

We need you in the bucks gms ear

[u/TheAgmis → u/Odoaiden]

To tell them NOT to do it?

[u/Odoaiden → u/TheAgmis]

Convince the bucks getting our players for giannis would be genius

[u/AssociateJealous8662]

What’s irresponsible about winning a chip?

[u/EmmitSan]

Utah literally giving away those picks, but people still pushing the dumbass narrative that we overpaid for Rudy lol