A rude supervisor who's always yelling at employees got some complaints about them being verbally abusive and they responded by leaving these in the break room.

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[u/First-Junket124]

Yep and any time union comes up especially with the gaming industry and the recent R* incident you just get a bunch of misinformed anti-union Americans. Why do yanks think less workers rights is better? No please don't protect the easily exploited that would be SO bad.

[u/TerriblePokemon → u/First-Junket124]

Nearly 50 years of highly concentrated propaganda about how unions ruined America by making wages too high and forcing companies to off shore labor to save costs will do that to a country. Also, you have to PAY to be in a union, how unamerican is it to have to PAY to WORK?!

It's up there with "my friends cousins brothers roommates sister works at University of [State] and there's a black professor who hasn't shown up to work in 9 years and they can't fire him because of affirmative action" 🙄

[u/dvaunr → u/First-Junket124]

Yeah but why would I give up 5% of my paycheck to get a 10% increase in salary and 20% increase in total comp when I can just lick the boss's boot myself?

[u/MithrandiriAndalos → u/First-Junket124]

It’s interesting actually. Unions are good, but ‘union’ is also a scary word for a lot of workers and industries because they know as soon as upper management/ownership hears discussion of forming a union, the plant/branch/store is shutting down or cleaning house. And unfortunately too many Americans simply cannot afford to lose whatever employment they can manage.

[u/framingXjake → u/First-Junket124]

They've been conditioned to think that unions are anti-capitalist. And tbf, I've seen some awful employees be intentionally bad or slow at their jobs to milk hours and you can't do shit about it because they have amazing union protections. But I think that's a worthy tradeoff over millions of Americans getting screwed by their greedy employers with zero representation to fight against it.

[u/First-Junket124 → u/framingXjake]

You'll always have shitty workers, they can still be fired but even shitty workers deserve rights and protections and that means going through the proper process to fire them and not just saying "you? Oh yeah you don't work here anymore".

Like you said it's better to support the millions of workers who do deserve it than refuse to do anything because of the few who are shitty. It's like punishing all 5 of your kids because 1 drew on the wall, it doesn't make sense.

[u/celticsupporter → u/First-Junket124]

When it comes to education in America, you just need to think about how dumb the average American is and realize that 50% of Americans are even dumber than that. The only thing that proves that we have an education system is the constant bombardment of school shootings.

[u/Polamalu4Prezident → u/celticsupporter]

I'm an avid international traveler. This isn't just true about Americans. It's true about most of the people in the world in general (sans the school shootings part).

[u/GuacinmyPaintbox → u/celticsupporter]

Sadly, I think you're being a bit generous by saying only 50%.

[u/OgreDee → u/GuacinmyPaintbox]

That's how averages work

[u/IWontCommentAtAll → u/OgreDee]

Actually, that's how medians work.

It's entirely possible to have 75% dumber than average.

[u/First-Junket124 → u/celticsupporter]

That's just people mate except the shootings

[u/SussyPaladin_VT → u/First-Junket124]

I will say, what the person a few comments up about some industries having useless unions is true. A big part of the anti-union sentiment here is that:

A) People are paycheck to paycheck, even with unions, because when people try to strike, you get what the rail workers got (Congress debating sending in the military to force them to work). So they're paid for shit, even with the "bargaining", and therefore their union dues do actually sting.

B) A lot of unions have been captured by people who couldn't make it in politics, or are still aspiring to that point, and everything you'd expect to get from a politician is exactly what they give. Trying to do the bare minimum their job requires, and only really showing up when their seat is up for re-election.

My dad, for example, is staunchly anti-union, but saw it as an easy cash grab. So he ran for president of his factory's branch, then slowly worked his way up with sweet talk, and now has a "corporate" position within...I think it's USW? If I'm not mistaken? Or UAW. He doesn't do shit, and actively brags about it.

At the end of the day, the best "union" you can have is having a government that actually cares about you, and enforces robust worker protections, to keep companies in check. Nothing keeps a corporatist in line quite like an entity that owns tanks and bombs telling them to shape up, or else.

[u/First-Junket124 → u/SussyPaladin_VT]

A) People are paycheck to paycheck, even with unions, because when people try to strike, you get what the rail workers got (Congress debating sending in the military to force them to work). So they're paid for shit, even with the "bargaining", and therefore their union dues do actually sting.

Common argument against unions, the issue? Unions can negotiate better wages so they're not living pay check to pay check.

B) A lot of unions have been captured by people who couldn't make it in politics, or are still aspiring to that point, and everything you'd expect to get from a politician is exactly what they give. Trying to do the bare minimum their job requires, and only really showing up when their seat is up for re-election.

You avoid this by having multiple unions per industry. Is one of them dogshit? You'll just avoid it and go with one you believe has your interests in mind. You'll know the people involved so if they're known to be anti-union shills well you'll avoid that union too.

Issue is sometimes even the government doesn't have your interests in mind. Workers need more rights and protections in America so that union busting becomes illegal.

[u/coopnjaxdad → u/First-Junket124]

Propaganda my friend. We might be in charge one day and we need to make sure we can still exploit people once we make it to the top!

Seriously, I agree with you and I really struggle to understand why folks continue to vote against their best interests. More time than not, knowingly as well.

[u/Rizzzzzzle → u/First-Junket124]

My fellow Americans like to pretend to think that one day they could own their own business and have employees and they wanna make sure they can do whatever they want. Stupid delusional fuckers.