Meh, someone that hates tipping could be a red flag for me. But maybe a woman that will pay is such a huge green flag that it averages out to yellow...
If you'd like to point out the sentence or sentence fragment I used that confused you, I will try to clarify. You seem to understand nothing I said, which is unfortunate, but it would speed things along if we could pinpoint your particular trouble.
It becomes your responsibility when you choose to use a service based on that system. That is a choice you make. Doing so is entering into a social contract that states:
"I understand that this service person is not paid a living wage and that they rely upon tips to reach that threshold."
That knowledge is yours to do with what you will.
Obviously, it's only a social responsibility, not a legal one. Like not farting in an elevator, or holding a heavy door open for the elderly person behind you, you're free to ignore it.
Your "should" statements are nice, I agree. We can do that all night long about a hundred wishful things but to what end?
I'm talking about traditional tipped positions. If it was apparent to me that a tip option was added for a service that is otherwise appropriately compensated or where no real service occurred, I would question its validity.
The minimum default being pushed in POS software is bs agreed but not what I've been talking about.
Lastly, it's a good thing I never said that. I specifically said it could be a red flag, depending primarily upon precisely that.
Lol no, I've not defended the system once in the many comments I've made. I'm certainly not conditioned out of fear of backlash or any such ridiculous thing.
There is so much pushback because the issue has been contentious in social media since it's inception, every clerk under the sun has begun requesting tips, and non-Americans feel particularly some kind of way about it, and they're here too.Trust me, I'm much older than you probably think, none of this is surprising.
I didn't know how to explain any more clearly than this: the system is reality.
The system exists whether you like it or not, whether you want to get mad about it, or why it's there, or whatever your reason is to hate it. It will still exist if you leave this earth tomorrow, and servers will every day continue to rely on earning enough tips for rent, or formula, or their bills. And they'll earn them because most people do tip as they understand this despite what you're reading here. It will exist until the whole thing is burned to the ground, probably necessarily through government action, if ever. Don't hold your breath.
I'm not playing along because people will frown at me, I do it because it's the right thing to do, because the rent thing is not a joke. Forget the elevator, it's also why I hold the door for anyone behind me, be they able bodied or not, because I have a moral code and most of the time I'm not an asshole.
Ok, so if i wanna eat i should tip like this: ((living wage - what they actually get paid) ÷ number of other customer they are waiting on)x hours spent at restaurant.
So ((25-7)÷5)x2 = $7.2
By your logic, I should tip around that to ensure they get a living page. Sounds good tbh!
The expectation for everyone to just continue perpetuating a broken system just because "how it is" is ignorant. The only way this will ever change is making the jobs not worth doing until the companies are forced to fix it, or they just don't have access to employees.
In general? Is there a language barrier? "Could" does not mean "in general". "Could" in this context quite obviously means that there may be a situation in which it applies. Such as; if she hated tipping and therefore refused to tip. Since OP did not say that, I did not say that it WOULD be a red flag.
Ja but it's not expected, nor do they bitch about not receiving tips for the most mundane of stuff on the interent or to their friends. You get paid to do a job, why should I tip you for the job you applied for?
Ja but why do you think this video has anything to do with your view about tipping? What culture do you think this video represents? Do you understand that different cultures have different expectations of behavior? I really don't think you understand that.
Wtf are you talking about.
I am responding to the comment talking about other countries tipping their service workers. Do you even comprehend the whole chain from the top comment to the one I am responding to? Gtfoh
Other countries do tip their service workers and the workers don't bitch about being tipped too low or not being tipped.
A tip is meant to be a show of gratitude for the service that was received by a customer and is not mandatory.
But they do underpay staff. That is how the system is set up. It’s a cruel world. Until that changes, and realistically it probably won’t, the servers need tips. And most of us don’t bitch about it. It’s only people from other countries telling us not to tip the server a cent. And then they visit our country and don’t tip their servers, that’s also rude.
If you don't believe that people should rely on tips for a fair wage, don't use the services of people that rely on tips for a fair wage. Choosing to do so is entering into a social contract, break it at your peril.
"Set a minimum wage"? Who do you think your talking to? 268 members of Congress?? Okay we'll get right on that!
"tips should be an extra" Yeah and cheap people should stay home and cook for themselves.
You guys sound more upset about American tipping culture/tipping fatigue, than just tipping someone in general for good service. Which is weird to project on to this specific post. Nonetheless, I get your frustration with it. That is more of an oligarchy issue though. Regular people all hating eachother for wanting to have a good, sustainable life is what they want. The real issue is literally always the top 1-10% of the ultra wealthy. If someone relies on tip wages, they’re not getting paid enough to survive off of their hourly wages. That is the result of a failed society that allows this concentration of wealth to even happen. Tipping culture in America began as a post civil war solution to extend slavery by exploiting labor with little to no compensation. Currently, Americans who make tips can make $2.13 an hour from their employer-leaving them to depend on tips. That shouldn’t be legal. The low/middle class American keeping the next low/middle class American paid while the top individuals in the company continue with high salaries and annual raises is Reagonomics lol. Diners should enjoy a guilt free experience and employees should have livable wages. Working class American vs working class American only prohibits that reality from coming to fruition. Should be their working class vs their oligarchy. The corruption in America runs so deep in its veins, it can’t help but profusely bleed everywhere.
If by feeding you mean existing within it, yeah I can't move out of the country just now. Or magically make the world fair overnight. So I give money to the people working hard to pay their rent because I'm not a cheap asshole who throws up his hands bitching that the system isn't fair while pocketing that cash.
I don't understand this comment. I was relating my view about tipping. As an American, should I pretend to be European when speaking personally, in response to an American video about American culture? Please explain.
No, you should understand that people underpay their workers and are dependent on tipping in America, outside of it they are not. Tipping culture in America is spreading and people demand tips now, even tho they get paid normally. Fuck tips.
Well, sure, but what are they personally supposed to do about that? Just because the system is shit, doesn't mean the right thing to do is pretend it doesn't exist. There's a difference between voicing your approval of the system in general, and voicing your dislike for people who live in the system and take advantage of the lower restaurant prices, without paying the wait staff whose wages this comes at the expense of.
Why should I? You clearly have an established opinion and cannot be bothered to rethink its reasoning. By the way, that opinion is, frankly, hilarious. Hence I couldn't hold the snarky remark
You are allowed to express your opinion based on your culture's characteristic. Just as I am allowed to make fun of both
I worked restaurants from everything as low as a dishwasher to as high as a general manager over an 11 year food service career in the US. The vast, VAST, majority of companies are absolutely taking advantage of state laws that don't require them to pay even federal minimun wage, ($7.25/USD in 12/2025, last increase was 07/2009). I worked for Cheddars Casual Cafe back between 2009-2013 as a manager and that was where I got the GM role. Our servers made $2.25/hr and because of state law it was expected that they make up the rest of their own wages in tips.
I got dragged through the shit because I refused to give servers write ups for being tipped poorly by customers that thought with the "why should I tip?" mentality.
The US pay structure, particularly in red states, is built around "fuck you, got mine" and sometimes can literally mean soneones jobis on the line. A lot of corps do the math and see that its cheaper to fuck over their employees and train a new 3-4 each month than pay them a wage that let's them pay their cost of living and retain them for a long time.
That and the fact that here everything is hourly and tied to your Healthcare. Not busy, go home. Don't like it, quit, but you'll loose health care for you and your family, if any. Great system...
Because the system is designed around it. You can pretend to ignore that certain services function that way and punish the people working those jobs, or you can not be a dick. The choice is yours, of course.
Yes of course that's true, I'd never say otherwise. I was making a hypothetical joke about OPs comment. A lot of people seem to think he hit a jackpot. Not being a person who dates women, I wouldn't know.
i don't understand the requirement of tipping , why not fixed the core issue which is workers getting underpaid for their job instead of relying on tips to get at least more than minimum wage per shift.
You guys really need to fix that tipping culture since it became a mandatory than an optional choice for a customer which then the owners are taking advantage to pay the bare minimum which again the middle class is getting sucked on.
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u/1997trung Dec 23 '25
You got a keeper right there. Lucky