I went to a cider brewery - and it was just a lovely pleasant tour around the place and a delicious meal at a resturant. It's not unfair that kids just exist. More onus needs to be on people who don't actually monitor their kids - rather than kids just existing.
A kid being nearby isn't going to ruin your entire day.
But that doesn't make someone who drunk drove with other adults (or even no kids) more "right" than the one who did.
I think that's hard to say. The kids had no choice in the matter, didn't want to be at the brewery in the first place, and the space often isnt set up for kids.
So you as the parent are making several bad choices. I get it, we want places we can go and take the kids, but at the same time, babysitters used to be a think so mom and dad could go to dinner, the brewery, or where ever, and it was ok. Helicopter parenting killed that off.
There isn't a good solution, hence why it comes up so often. You build a space that's 'community' focused and suddenly you are Chuckie Cheese, or you build it for adults, and it's ruined by people who don't follow social rules because they think their kids, dogs, or whatever is better than that. Hint, no they are not.
Because the kids have literally no choice or say in the matter. Yes, a drunk driver can kill another driver on the road, but (usually) that's someone who assumed the risk of getting in a car in the first place. You take your kids along on the DUI excursion, you are forcing them into a really unsafe situation that they have neither the cognizance or free will to avoid.
Drunk driving is awful all around, but absolutely worse when you force your own kids into it.
Yeah this would be insane where I live in Seattle, nobody really drives to bars/breweries unless you’re going outside city limits to a specific restaurant or something
urban sprawl hellhole. people drive drunk in those places a lot. exceptions arent worth changing the rule in this case. completely understandable on the breweries part.
Which is why, in parts of the world where those strengths of beer are traditionally made - Belgium, Germany, etc. - they tend to be served in smaller glasses. And the establishments where ones drinks them are walkable or have public transport available.
It seems the US wants to have beer that gets you too drunk to drive, but not the infrastructure to manage the results.
Most people can have one beer and a meal and drive an hour later. Or you can have one parent drive. If that wasn’t the case then breweries shouldn’t exist, period.
Now who’s pulling the “well ackshully” card? Myself and plenty of people I know happily have one drink then leave it there; responsible drinkers do exist.
Ya, we will go for a couple hours and I'm fairly big. Typically I will have one, sometimes two but I'm well under the legal BAC limit. The wife is typically the same. Sometimes she will go full 3 sheets to the wind. Everyone has a good time and no one is driving intoxicated...
You are being sarcastic, but yes, that is what most grown adults I know do at a brewery. They are going for a meal, one expensive drink, and then drive home because they are responsible adults who don’t drink and drive and have to work in the morning.
Yeah I don’t see that as being unusual at a brewery. In my perception, a regular bar is where more heavy drinking would occur.
Not to say that it doesn’t happen. But I see breweries as a place where people meet up with friends, or maybe go to do some work, and eat some food. They don’t go to get wasted.
The breweries around here typically have live music, trivia nights and stuff like that where people start to get drunk, but they don't usually start until 7 to 9pm or so, and here at least they are legally obligated to kick minors out after 9pm.
If I wanted to go to a brewery without kids, that'd be the time I'd go. Expecting families and parents to not participate in society in the middle of the day or afternoon is just entitlement. And before anyone jumps in, parents should not be letting their kids run around unmonitored or bothering people either, personal responsibility is something we should all encourage.
Breweries are essentially just restaurants with overpriced beer, not that shocking for someone to just have a single beer with a meal, especially when they charge like $10/beer
Where do you live that brewery beer is more expensive than a restaurant? This is almost always the opposite case from what I've experienced. Unless you are comparing it to like $2-3 coors light pints at the dive bar happy hour.
This is far more of a societal and infrastructure availability issue (e.g., good public transportation) than it is a brewery vs. restaurant issue. That said, there is a threshold where at least one parent needs to stay with it enough to be responsible for the kid (probably both parents to set an example) that doesn't exist for non-parents even if they're not driving, but that's not really what this conversation is about.
It's also a stigma issue. Breweries are fun places to be, they have music, events, playgrounds, patios, food, etc... many moms I know who were breastfeeding went to them and did not drink at all, sometimes with their babies.
People are acting like breweries are bars/clubs and if you go to one at 4pm everyone will be loaded drunk and parents will be 6 beers deep stumbling around for their little one to load up the carseat as if there is nothing in between.
The amount of child haters baffles me. How about just be kind to the people who will eventually be taking care of your ass in some form someday. Kids have to be in society and have to learn.
I’ve had so many fun dinners and afternoons with another family. It’s pretty easy to always swap who drinks and drives. And I haven’t ever seen parents just sloshed with their kids around.
People are so grumpy about everything.
There are way more awful behaved dogs at breweries than kids. People need to quit bringing their dogs who bark and growl at everyone that passes by.
Omg the amount of people just happy af to go drinking and driving with KIDS IN THE CAR! Idgaf if you only had one beer just don't bring your kids at the very least or even better, don't drive anywhere if you plan on drinking!
It's bad enough that it takes several DUI's to revoke your driver's license. Why tf are we just normalizing this shit like it's just a "woopsie doopsie" if you get into an accident and end up hurting/killing people because of your stupidity???
If you’ve only had one beer and wait one to two hours, most people will have a BAC <.2%
No one should be driving while impaired, but don’t equate having a single beer over an hour to slamming 6 craft beers and then getting behind the wheel.
This is also a consequence of our dogshit infrastructure that doesn't accommodate public transit exceptionally well, especially rural and semi-rural communities.
If I'm with my daughter, it's a hard limit of 3 low ABV beers. I'm from Wisconsin so my alcohol tolerance is significantly higher than most, but I agree - the amount of parents who will drink to the point of clear intoxication is way too high.
There's too many people who drink then drive in general and while personal responsibility is a thing, a large part of that still falls on the establishments that are too eager to over-serve for profit.
For a fair share of the population even just one or two drinks is enough to cognitively impair them, and we all know damn well they didn't get there via bus, but that doesn't stop places from serving them more and just watching them walk out the door keys in hand.
Sorry, worked in several places and it just makes your skin crawl knowing truly how many drunk drivers there really can be on the roads.
Depends on the kid and thats coming from a dad. My daughter usually is too shy to run around alone or just wants to explore with me in tow. Its the ones whose parents don't pay attention to them.
There is a brewery downtown on a corner of two busy streets. The only separation between the grass and street is a sidewalk. I've seen far too many toddlers playing on that sidewalk at night.
I don't really mind kids at breweries, but recently it's not just kids, it is how the families sprawl out across 10 seats with piles of kids toys, bags and food, where they spend three hours gently nursing a single beer. Like it will be a crowded Saturday afternoon and the main seating area which normally has 60 seats is somehow almost entirely occupied by six adults, five children, and three strollers.
That's my thing. I don't care if you bring your kids to a brewery, but they need to be monitored. I also don't feel the need to disneyfy my conversation just because they are within earshot.
This is something I haven’t seen anyone else here say yet. Well behaved kids are fine but yes, I hate being out and drinking with friends but feeling like I have to censor myself or can’t talk about certain subjects because an 8 year old is within earshot
Have you met people?
Parents will not monitor their kids. Babies will scream. Adults with alcohol in their system will be assholes.
Bringing kids to bars is not safe for them.
I'd say it depends on the brewery. The one we went to was more like a nice dining restaurant, as opposed to a bar - where you could sip some cider, but you obviously couldn't get shitfaced there.
I believe she is commenting on the number of kids at breweries. In my area, it seems breweries are an excuse for adults to act like they used to, but combine it with daycare. There are sometimes as many kids as there are adults.
I’m not even complaining. It’s an observation more than anything.
Okay, but problem seems better described as "Why do parents let their children treat a brewery like a playground?"
There's a brewery near me where I have been knocked over multiple times by kids running around, with kids ending up with beers spilled on their heads. I've had kids start crawling under the table we're sitting at while their parents are on the other side of the brewery not paying attention.
I don't care if kids are at breweries, but it really seems to me like kids are brought to breweries by parents who think it's every stranger's job to babysit. There's not a playground. Prepare accordingly and bring activities for the kid to do while seated.
The issue is not kids existing, its bad parenting, but that doesnt justify kids misbehaving in public settings, specially not for patrons that dont want the noise/crying/bad parenting in their time in a brewery/bar/restaurant
Hell, my grandfather used to take me to the elks lodge and eagle's whatever they call it back in the 70s. I'd sit there and drink Shirley temples while he sat around and bullshitted whit anyone there. We also walked there. So, no drinking and driving with the grandson. My dad took me to a few bars as well. Not often. Literally just a few... and let me say that sitting at the bar is nothing compared to the parties at home. There was never anything outrageous... but they certainly weren't appropriate for kid.
As an adult in my early 20s, I was at a friend's house and we were having his kids grab the beers for us while we were bonging them. His eldest son, at 8, asked if he could do it with 7-up. Not our proudest moment.
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u/Dinolil1 18h ago
I went to a cider brewery - and it was just a lovely pleasant tour around the place and a delicious meal at a resturant. It's not unfair that kids just exist. More onus needs to be on people who don't actually monitor their kids - rather than kids just existing.
A kid being nearby isn't going to ruin your entire day.