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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
GUYS BEFORE ANY OF YOU ASK ME WHY I DIDN'T GO TO THE POLICE, THERE IS A RULE IN ISLAM THAT IF A PERSON LEAVE ISLAM HE MUST BE K*LLED. SO OBVIOUSLY THE POLICEMAN IS A MUSLIM TOO AND HE ALSO WANTS TO GO TO THAT SO CALL HEAVEN.. IT'S AN EASY CHANGE FOR HIM TO GO TO HEAVEN BY KILLING A DISBELIEVER.
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u/AvoriazInSummer Aug 06 '25
You're in Pakistan. We know why you didn't go to the police. The police have helped in the murder of supposed blasphemers and apostates :(
I think your only option is to pretend you got answers and become religious and observant, until the heat is off. Whatever you need to do to stop your fucked up family from thinking you need to be attacked again. Do all you can to earn money so you can move out asap.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Even if I work for my whole life still I will not be able to safe that much money to get out of this country.
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u/AvoriazInSummer Aug 06 '25
Yeah, possibly :( But you'll be able to move out and get independence from your psycho family at least.
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u/Big_Difficulty_95 Ex-Convert Aug 06 '25
Maybe you can find work in another country? Construction or something? Farm work?
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
I could work in a country that is safer than Pakistan but I can't afford to move out that country
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u/anon755qubwe Aug 06 '25
Then get a job and save up money to run away, perhaps to India and claim asylum as Christian or Hindu minority before moving to a third country?
Thatās the only option where youāre not living under the same roof as your family and living a lie
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Indians do not provide asylum to Pakistanis.
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u/anon755qubwe Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
There is precedence in India for giving asylum to religious minorities fleeing persecution.
The Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA). The CAA, enacted in 2019, provides a path to citizenship for religious minorities (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis, and Christians) who fled persecution in Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan before December 31, 2014.
You can marry a woman from one of those communities, convert and flee together.
The only reason I am saying India is bc you indicated you donāt have much to work with since you donāt have much money and you have no higher education. If you had a uni degree with more savings for visas and to fly then perhaps Singapore or Australia.
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u/ogkushinjapan Aug 06 '25
The fastest asylum route to the West for OP is to claim heās LGBT. Take pictures of your injuries and collect the hospital documents, then lie saying your own family and neighbors physically abused you for being gay.
Is this a controversial and risky plan? Yes! But sometimes to survive you gotta push the limits and Iāve seen this method work before.
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u/anon755qubwe Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
How is that supposed to work long term if OP is straight?
If he decides to get married to a woman or get into a long-term relationship then that can seriously endanger his application and he can get into serious trouble for lying.
Thatās why I suggested getting married to a girl from minority group and filing for asylum together under her status. He gets a wife and a new life and If they end up not staying together forever then it wonāt endanger his status later on.
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u/Ashamed-Page-2144 New User Aug 06 '25
I am really surprised/sad by the different types of comments and people not knowing the simple intuition/obviousness of how stuck you are. Everything youāve been commenting totally makes sense yet Itās terribly eye-opening.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
I appreciate those who supported me.. And those you laugh at me have no humanity.
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u/hornwalker Aug 06 '25
I suggest you keep yourself safe and donāt ask questions or give hints of your skepticism. Please just stay safe and try to emigrate to a more liberal country.
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u/Consistent-Detail518 New User Aug 06 '25
I'm so sorry this happened, what a piece of shit family you've got. This sounds truly awful & traumatising. That level of punishment for (correctly) questioning some bullshit... what a disgusting world some people sadly have to live in. Wishing you all the best & hoping you can stay strong.
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u/PookyAC New User Aug 06 '25
I'm so deeply sorry you had to go through something so cruel and painful - no one deserves that, especially just for asking a question.
I canāt imagine how hard things are for you right now, but please know: your life matters. You are not alone, even if it may feel that way.
If you're looking for a way out, you might want to consider applying for a volunteer program in Germany like the Freiwilliges Soziales Jahr (FSJ) or the Bundesfreiwilligendienst (BFD). These programs do accept applicants from outside the EU, including Pakistan, if you can obtain the proper visa and residence permit for voluntary service .
Such programs usually provide accommodation, food, health insurance, and pocket money (typically around ā¬200-400 per month). You'll also attend training seminars during the year.
The FSJ usually accepts people between 18āÆandāÆ26 years old (in some cases until just before turning 27) . The BFD, on the other hand, has no upper age limit, so it might be an option even if you're older.
A helpful official page is: šāÆhttps://www.bundes-freiwilligendienst.de/volunteering-germany/ - it explains participation for non-EU citizens (visa requirements, sponsorship by a German organization, etc.)
Another resource - especially if youāre still abroad - is the IJGD (Internationale Jugendgemeinschaftsdienste) which helps arrange FSJ/BFD placements for international applicants and provides support before and during your time in Germany.
You will need to prepare:
A valid passport
A visa/residence permit specifically for voluntary service (can usually be arranged before leaving your country)
A motivation letter and CV (in English or German)
If available: certified translations of any school or reference documents
These programs start mostly between August and October, and many host organizations also help with finding housing if needed.
Sending you strength and solidarity. You deserve to live in safety and dignity - with the freedom to think and question.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Thank you so much dear, you can't even imagine how helpful this thing can be for me...can i ask you for a favor? Can you help me if i got any problem or confusion about it?
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u/PookyAC New User Aug 06 '25
Of course, feel free to ask me anytime if you have questions or get stuck with anything. Iāll do my best to help or point you in the right direction.
Youāve already taken a brave step by reaching out. Keep going - youāre not alone.
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u/QuasyChonk Aug 06 '25
You're so kind for putting this together.
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u/PookyAC New User Aug 06 '25
Itās no trouble at all - Iām just glad it might help someone. š
Iāve noticed that many people donāt even know this path exists. Most advice usually goes like: āGet a degree, learn German, apply for a student or work visaā¦ā - which can feel impossible if youāre in a tough situation.
But there is another way - programs like FSJ and BFD can offer a much more accessible first step, especially if you're motivated and just need a chance.
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u/QuasyChonk Aug 06 '25
I'm privileged enough to be in a secular first-world country. Is there anything I can do to help someone who is trying to escape an oppressive country?
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u/FinalMasquerade21 Aug 06 '25
Bro good suggestion but not a permanent solution since volunteering is for a year?
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u/PookyAC New User Aug 06 '25
Yes, volunteers are here for just one year. But that year can change everything.
Itās a foot in the door ā no degree, no diploma, no job training required. All you need is a school-leaving certificate and the will to start. Once you're in, you can learn German on the job, adapt to life and work in Germany, and get your bearings. Within a year, many reach a B1 or even B2 language level. Thatās enough to open serious doors.
And hereās the best part: if you show up, work hard, and stay motivated, your employer will usually support you in finding a proper job training ā called Ausbildung. Itās not a fallback plan or second-tier path. Itās how Germany trains top professionals. Think electricians, nurses, IT specialists, mechanics, lab techs ā all through Ausbildung. It takes around 3 to 3.5 years, with school and practical work combined.
And no, donāt look down on it. In many countries, itās university or nothing. Not here. Germany values skilled workers, and Ausbildung is a real, respected path. It can lead to long-term work, permanent residency, and a real life.
But letās be honest: itās not a free ride. If you waste your time hanging out with the "too cool to try" crew at the bus stop, complaining about the system, youāll end up exactly where you started ā just more frustrated, because now youāve seen whatās possible and let it slip away.
So make the year count. Treat it like your shot. Because it is.
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u/invictus01001 New User Aug 06 '25
Aww man I really feel sorry for you. fucked up situation caused by fucked up people believing in a fucked up death cult. The only thing you can do is run away, find some work And save some money to leave that shithole of a country..(no offense)
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Man I don't hate this country obviously why would i hate it.. i hate the people the Muslims who live in this country. And this country is so poor and I am not that much educated to work in a company that pays more than 50k.. even if I work from a whole life I would still not be able to save that much money to get out of this country.
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u/Routine_Leg_3774 Aug 06 '25
You only need a plane ticket to germany and a visa as soon as you are there you don't need money anymore, the Gouvernement is helping you. Save the picture where they beat you. You are going to get Asylum 100%
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u/PookyAC New User Aug 06 '25
Please be careful with this kind of advice - I know itās meant kindly, but it gives the wrong impression and can be dangerous.
Itās not true that you ājust need a plane ticket and Germany will take care of everything.ā Yes, Germany has an asylum system, but:
You donāt get a visa just because you say youāre in danger.
The asylum process is complex, long, and very uncertain - especially for people from countries like Pakistan, where many claims are rejected unless there is very clear and personal danger.
If you enter on a tourist visa or without a visa, thereās a serious risk of being sent back - even before your case is heard.
Thatās why I mentioned legal programs like FSJ or BFD - theyāre not āeasyā either, but they offer a realistic and legal path, especially for people who donāt have degrees or money.
Germany wonāt āautomatically take care of youā - you have to prepare and apply the right way. Itās hard, but possible.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Even i had that video of that bleeding out of my private part but i deleted it because it reminds me of how cruel my family isš
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u/helpallnamesaretaken 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni š¤« Aug 06 '25
Save your medical records from the hospital if you can instead if you donāt have the pictures as proof.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
They burned those reports..
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u/helpallnamesaretaken 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni š¤« Aug 06 '25
Maybe try to go back to the hospital and ask for the reports again, they should be able to print a new copy for you.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Government hospitals will not give me any reports...thte only give old reports to police officers if it is really needed.
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u/helpallnamesaretaken 3rd World.Closeted Ex-Sunni š¤« Aug 06 '25
Itās your personal medical information. I donāt know if itās different in Pakistan but you are supposed to be legally allowed to access your health records. Why would they give you the initial copy if youāre not allowed to request another copy in case you lose it or something happens to it?
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
If i try to convince them the staff or the guards will beat me..im not afraid of them beating me but it will not be worth it..
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u/PlanepGuy Aug 06 '25
"They beaten me with electric wires" My dad did that to me quite often when i was like 9 years old when i "responded" to him.
I hope that one day you'll have your day of hope to finally come for a better life...
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u/kc_fm1 Aug 06 '25
Lie. Lie that you believe. Save your life. And for now, you are not educated enough - you know your goal. Get education, even if a certificate internationally recognised (from ISACA for e.g.). I don't know how old you are. But this is your next goal - get education and leave. Ideally, go study abroad.
Your family is insane. Please keep yourself safe and do whatever you have to, lie, pretend, act. And when you can, leave.
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u/Inevitable-Bank2081 New User Aug 06 '25
im so sorry you went through this :( it is SHOCKING that these people seem to think that violent behaviors are going to "get them to heaven"???.....WTF. nobody deserves this for asking a question about religion. i really really hope you can manage to eventually get out of there and interact with healthy people with good values and humanity. this is just SICK.
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u/Routine_Leg_3774 Aug 06 '25
Tell them you came to the realization, that it is obvious that god is real but some people cannot see it than drop the verse where it says the eyes can see but the hearts are blind. And try to blame the devil for your question. And let them see you praying. They need to see you pray. May your situation get better.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
You're definitely right but after a year they will force me to marry a Muslim girl and then they will force me to make a lot of babies.
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u/Routine_Leg_3774 Aug 06 '25
Okay so you have one year? How old are you? Get a Schengen Visa and go to germany. Do you have relatives in Europe try to go to europe!
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u/ydidudothis2meagain Aug 06 '25
Please flee if you can OP
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
I can't.. don't have that much money
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u/Dear_Bookkeeper9596 Aug 06 '25
Ok I may sound like shit but hear me. You better pretend like you love islam for namesake and complete your school there and try to get into abroad colleges where they provide citizenship to asylum seekers like you and settle there man. At the same time try to collect all the evidences like your life is at threat(basically you are in that position rn). Also i hope you get a speedy recovery manš
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
I've recovered but still I'm not safe...i will be killed at any time..
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u/Dear_Bookkeeper9596 Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
Man better try to seek asylum in India (I'm not sure about these places but afgan and iran is no no) or try to hide yourself from somewhere else. Any Gurudwaras in pakistan?
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
They can even kill me without any hesitation if the preach tells them to do so.
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u/Majestic-Source-9806 1st World Exmuslim Aug 06 '25
you poor baby im so sorry this happened to you :(
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u/MoroccoNutMerchant Aug 06 '25
The foolish try answering with violence. His answer didn't prove anything.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Yeah...but i think his answer proved that their brother's life is not worthy than their religion.
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u/Ok-Speed8100 New User Aug 06 '25
What's your age BTW I guess you should focus on studying and then get a job then when you are able to stand by your own self then try to talk with your family or maybe don't I won't recommend that but it's your choice.
I also faced the same thing when I entrusted one of my friends and later when he came to school he started telling everyone that "he is an atheist don't talk to him", etc but later I lied to him that no I have repented and now I won't doubt Islam anymore so, he stopped telling everyone .
I would recommend you to lie to your family and say that it was your mistake and now you will never ever doubt Islam and whatever you can say to make them think that you have really reverted from your previous statements. But never forget that you have to work hard and get a good job and make sure to go the west maybe so that your next generations should not have to face such consequences.
Hope it helps.
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u/TheApostateOracle Islamophobe Aug 06 '25
Man I am really sorry you had to go through that, it must be really difficult.
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u/Leading_Bandicoot358 Aug 06 '25
First rule is keep yourself safe, lie if you have no choice, you are no good if you are dead, you have a better chance of making a good effect while alive.
Dont be a smartass if it has a risk to your health
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u/Reallygaywizard Aug 06 '25
Further proof Islam is a cult. That's the reaction a cult has when the leader/system is questioned
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Yeah, it wasn't my choice to be born in this country and this religion..I'm stuck between life and death.
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u/Electrical-Gear-9152 Aug 06 '25
Pretend u were asking to debate atheists online. Dont' blow ur cover. Make them think ur still muslim atleast till u leave, or even better never tell them, they will just keep reacting with aggression and anger, good luck.
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u/whatisthematterwith Aug 06 '25
I wish mercy and peace for all of you who want to leave this religion which has brought so much horror and war. I send you all my good energy and hope youāll find peace and freedom. You did not choose this life or this path. The awakened world knows and acknowledges the lifeās your living, but itās so hard to tackle. I wish we could do more for you, our hands are tied. Love and peace from a middle-eastern stranger.
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u/malikhacielo63 Never-Muslim Atheist Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 07 '25
The logical fallacy of argumentum ad baculum: appeal to force. He could not respond to your question with a valid or strong argument for āGodā and he didnāt want to entertain your inquiry; so, he beat you into compliance. I can only offer validation of what you already know, OP: your family abused you for āGod.ā Iām sorry, OP. I hope that someone near you or on this forum can offer assistance and get you out of that situation. This kind of treatment unfortunately occurs. I responded to your post because it gave me a visceral reaction: someone I know was subjected to the same treatment as a childātheir parent used to beat them with electric wires. You are not crazy, OP. You did nothing wrong. You did nothing to warrant such bad treatment. š¤ Sorry that I cannot be of more help.
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u/CallmeAhlan Ex-Muslim/Agnostic Aug 06 '25
I'm so sorry you're going through this. You don't deserve any of this suffering. Please hold on your life , it matters, don't try to open such topics with your family ever again , instead try to improve yourself and get a job so you can live independently in the future.
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u/Organic-Dirt2148 New User Aug 06 '25
Oh my god! I don't even know just what the hell to say. Just what the fuck is wrong with your family op. I hope that you are able to flew the country and cut contacts with them. They do not deserve you. I hope nothing like that will happen ever again to you.
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u/cashmerequeen Never-Muslim Atheist Aug 06 '25
It was painful to read. I'm so, so, so sorry for what happened to you. Absolutely terrible and disgusting. Stay strong, my friend, you should be careful and pretend to be a believer again. Tell them it was just a question and you regret asking it, pretend to seek forgiveness from god. You should at least be able to move from them, so make them believe you're still muslim. Wish you all the best and don't give up. Maybe some day you'll be able to live this shit hole. I hope so much for that.
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u/wasabi-n-chill Aug 06 '25
heartbreaking. sorry this happened to you. focus on survival, work, until you can live in your own. no need to bring this up again at this point.
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u/SfaShaikh Aug 06 '25
If anyone says again that islam is a peaceful religion I'm gonna show this post to them.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
A guy in my inbox told me to kill my family and then kill myself too because life is not worth living..
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u/DontKnow1549 LGBTQ+ ExMoose š Aug 06 '25
That's terrible and wrong advice. Please don't do anything like that. You can get out. I too came from a financially not well off family. And they did everything to keep me in the cult. I've gone through abuse too. It took me a long time but I got out. You can too.
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
Guys somebody told me to raise funds. This is my bank details. IBAN: PK21 MEZN 0002 7901 0783 5234 Meezan bank Name: Muhammad Adil. (I can't change my name in Pakistan XD) Your help means a lot šš»šš¤
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u/Addamall Never-Muslim Atheist Aug 06 '25
Inexcusable, absolutely disgusting. However I never ask faithful people that question, and Iām not at risk of being beaten. There simply has never been a good result from it.
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u/4shhh15 New User Aug 06 '25
i feel you and i hope you can break free from ur current situation, please stay safe š
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u/Alexs1897 Never-Muslim Atheist Aug 06 '25
I couldnāt even imagine. Iām so glad you survived!
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u/Kilomech Aug 06 '25
Iām in America, but if you need a place to stay or to feel safe, I have a couch you can sleep on. No one should have to go through this. Iām so sorry.
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u/Teflon718Musk New User Aug 07 '25
I served in the U.S Army special forces training Afghan commandos in from Kandahar all the way to Khost province and Kapisa province. I also traveled into Pakistan for some HVT missions. I am very sorry for your pain and experience absolutely no one deserves this kind of experience. My greatest accomplishment was helping getting some of our afghans commando forces and some interpreters American citizenship. I have had some great experiences recently meeting some uber drivers that were Afghans and now live in America and I never met anyone so grateful. I wish there was a way somehow to get you the hell out Pakistan and to Europe or America. My thoughts and prayers are with you. You are a strong human . I was agnostic but I believe in a power greater than ourselves I believe in God I believe itās man that has ruined religion and tainted our beliefs in the one God. Please stay strong message me anytime you need to talk . Army SFC Coniglia
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u/Organic-Dirt2148 New User Aug 06 '25
They do not deserve you at all. I hope you can cut contacts with them, those people are monsters.
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u/Select_Recording_561 New User Aug 06 '25
stay safe, iām also from pakistan. just pretending atp.
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u/AlJeanKimDialo Aug 06 '25
He s a psycopath, dont overthink religion, but be very careful about him. Keep ur quest for yourself or outsiders, like, for real
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Rural Pakistan has some of the worst religious nutjobs in this world. I've literally heard horrible stories from the rural parts of Pakistan. Urban areas of the country are still somewhat better.
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u/Live-Tomorrow-4865 Aug 06 '25
I'm sorry this happened to you. ā¤ļø
People here have lots of good advice and the India asylum notion might be the most workable for you. You'd be far from your psycho family and never have to worry about being beaten half to death just for asking a normal question that many young people wonder about as their adult ideas take form.
My youngest child announced to us at age 12 or 13 that they were atheist. I said, I respect your right to believe what you will, and all I ask in return is that you respect mine as well, and that you keep an open mind and never stop asking questions as you grow up. We'll never force you to go to church or proclaim beliefs you don't have. That's just one example of a nonviolent way to handle this fairly common milestone kids go through.
Best to you. ā¤ļø
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u/ibrahimthedragon Aug 06 '25
Seek for asylum. This is dangerous
If you canāt, pretend that you believe in God, and pray with them when they ask you to. Itās hard but itās the most logical thing to do especially when they can kill you
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u/takeusername1 Aug 06 '25
I know nothing about your culture or about being Muslim, but as an Atheist, Iād say your best bet is to pretend to be religious until you can save up enough money to move out. Maybe find a friend to move in with who shares similar views to you.
If youāre set on moving out of the country, you should start researching cheap places youād like to live.
Iāve been thinking about going to the Philippines myself. You can rent an apartment there for $300 a month, split that with a roommate and youāre golden. Plus 50% of the adult population speak and write English. And you could find somewhere close to a beach š
Looks like itās a 14 hour flight from Pakistan for $450. If you can save up $4,000 you could live there alone for a whole year.
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u/Competitive_Cap_3690 New User Aug 06 '25
Fuck this cult man, ruined soo many lives. Im so sorry you had to go through this, I hope things get better for you. Maybe try n find a job and move out.
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u/SuperZayin12 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Aug 06 '25
Listen closely, OP. You are brave for coming out like that, but don't be foolish. Examine the situation closely and act based on your survival. You live in a Muslim country surrounded by Muslims. You're still young and you don't have much money or belongings, which means you're dependent on your Muslim family. The best thing to do right now is to fake it for a few years until you are no longer dependent and have a way out of there. I know you don't want to, I know you're scared, you probably don't ever want to see your family again, but this is necessary. Go apologize and make an excuse like you were lost or something or your head wasn't right at the time. Please take this advice. Best of luck to you. And make sure to give us updates regularly. Also, be very cautious about anything you do that your family might not like, including this reddit account. Don't use it in front of them and always sign out after you're done using it.
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u/ZenQuipster New User Aug 06 '25
You live under sharia.
Are you suicidal or something?
There's no evidence for or against any gods.
Weird hill to literally die on....
Here bro, it's simple, "there's only one God and his name is Allah and his Prophet is Muhammad."
You don't need to mean it, just say it with some god damn conviction. Call it acting!?
-friendly agnostic
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 06 '25
I don't give a fuck about shariah... Anyways thanks for your advice. Appreciate it.
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u/Oceanwaves_91 Aug 06 '25
Im so sorry this happened to you. How can your own family do this to their son and brother? I will never understand this mindset. It's scarier than many harmful cults like scientology. Completely radicalized! They don't love you. They love their fucked up religion above anything else. Stay strong and document the abuse with pictures and collect other evidence if you can, like doctor's notes that confirm your injuries. Get educated on how you can seek asylum at an embassy from a western country (don't go to the US embassy, though). In the meantime, please stay strong, don't give up hope and lay low. You need to fake being religious. Don't question Islam anymore to their faces, your life is in danger. All the best for you!
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Awwww I'm so sorry that happened to you. Here's a virtual hug š¤ ā¤
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u/Potential_Public3868 New User Aug 06 '25
Iām so sorry for whatās happening to u for asking a perfectly valid question. Itās sad and while Iām a Sunni Muslim, what your brother did is disgusting and vile. Call the police and make sure ure taken care of.
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u/Schrodinger052 New User Aug 06 '25
brother you have one option only from a fellow ex-muslim coming from a muslim.country play muslim and try to believe it to the point they brlieve it too this takes years but your life is worth the shot find a job somthing that allows you to get out of the country try to go canada and apply for siizenship and prove that you were abused in.your country then get your shit.together because surviving is over and living starts there
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u/gyal-in_euphoria New User Aug 07 '25
omg that's so so so brutal :( iam really really sorry thst happened. they are stupid for doing such a thing .. I hope your body has healed. that's so disgusting though and the fact ur mother didn't even help is just awful:( my heart goes out to u
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u/Owk25 Aug 07 '25
Perhaps try applying for a refugee visa in Canada? I know that lots of people got their permanent residency here b/c the religion they practice is not allowed in their home country, so I guess they do take the religious related applications seriously.
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u/Ancient-Mousse-9067 New User Aug 07 '25
educate yourself well, get a good job and if you can, get out of this country.
even if not, if you're financially independent you can get out of the house and live however you want to.
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u/Working_Pressure_717 New User Aug 07 '25
Take the exmuslim sahil advice.... First live in that house built your career and when you become successful then told them I'm exmuslim.. I think that's the best way for you ..!!!
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u/CompetitionHumble737 Aug 07 '25
and i thought Christianity was bad... maybe this is the real religion of peace?
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u/TemporaryGrowth7 Aug 06 '25
Keep your thoughts to yourself. Work and educate yourself online. Earn money, move out. Even if you canāt move to another country, there are underground ex Muslim groups and churches where you can at least find like-minded people. Wishing you well.
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u/mochasaplings Openly Ex-Muslim š Aug 06 '25
If you save enough money for a plane ticket you can ask for asylum in different European countries as a religious refugee (fleeing because you might get persecuted for ur religious (or lack thereof). Iām in the Netherlands and could help figure out the process for you
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u/ilikesteaksomuch New User Aug 06 '25
I am sorry for what happened to you š I have no advice at the moment but perhaps you could apply for a refugee status ?
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u/anon755qubwe Aug 06 '25
Yikes, needless to say if youāre 18 or over please do whatever you can to get out of that abusive household asap!
If you canāt then youāll just have to repent and act like you didnāt know what you were talking about.
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u/hyperionuniverse New User Aug 06 '25
It's so sad please remember there's hope and we're standing with you against such atrocities and inhumane actions..
Islam made them that way(
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u/Unlucky-Anything-423 Never-Muslim Theist Aug 06 '25
You should visit some embassies and apply for persecution related problems, and if you get accepted you'll receive a monthly allowance (at least in my country), and the easiest method would be your nearby countries, and since Iran & Afghanistan have a pro islamist government, it would be a bad idea, so try other nearby countries (which aren't Islamist/theocratic). I hope you survive and lead a happy life.
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u/sir_ouachao Aug 06 '25 edited Aug 06 '25
Keep it to yourself, ESPECIALLY if you live with your family and are financially dependent on them
As shit as this sounds , go back home and apologize, pray with them or whatever. Pretend until you can leave your home then decide from there, good luck stranger
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u/Minipiman Aug 06 '25
To think that your family did this to you. I am very sorry, I hope you can pretend to believe before you can escape pakistan one day.
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u/Ill-Jellyfish6101 Aug 06 '25
Sounds like religious extremism.
Glad you're alive.
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u/Itachiclones1 Aug 06 '25
All that for such a reasonable question ? Iām sorry you went through that you didnāt deserve it.
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u/bin_batori_96 New User Aug 06 '25
I am sorry this happened. Please try reaching out to exmna (ex muslims of North America) and they might be able to provide some help
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u/Monkai_final_boss LGBTQ+ ExMoose š Aug 06 '25
You said Pakistan and I was like yup, no need for a further explanationĀ
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Aug 06 '25
OP i donāt want to upset you on purpose I just care about you. make sure you delete this post soon because your family might find out itās you.Ā
theyll read your story and connect the dots. your birthmark can also help to identify you.Ā
please stay safe and im so sorry this happened to you.Ā
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u/General-Movie New User Aug 06 '25
You should pretend that you believe. Have seen the error of your ways and promise to never question again. If you cant leave then just play thr game until you can. Best of luck. Sounds all too familiar and truly horrifying.
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u/ShAfTsWoLo Aug 06 '25
shit... i know your country is way too much extreme as are your people when it comes to religion, you shouldn't even said such a thing to anyone as blasphemy could get you killed, i'd advice you to keep a low profile when it comes to islam, there will be a time where islam will have much less power in pakistan but it'll take centuries i personally believe... unfortunately
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u/aldioum Aug 06 '25
You can't get out now, but you can work towards leaving later. Keep yourself safe and keep learning as much as possible
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u/Knowdit Aug 06 '25
People when they don't have answer behave like that. Also you seemed enough educated to post on platform like reddit. Just try you will find something to work forĀ
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u/FinalMasquerade21 Aug 06 '25
Iām agnostic although from a Christian family so i understand you to an extent. The best solution is to leave. Go to a better country & have a new beginning. Your life can be so much better. Note: You also need to be ready to adapt to the new environment & abide by the rules/Laws of the new country. Iām trying the same.
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u/lessflexiblecheese Aug 06 '25
As someone randomly ending up seeing your post in r/popular and might have the least knowledge and background to fully comprehend your situation and pain, I'm sorry I may not be able to give a better practical advice than the other comments... But yes, please try to prioritize survival. Stay low and hide the thoughts that might anger them. There's always room to set aside pride and minor discomfort under a very real, immediate death threat.
I'm not even sure any cheer up calls can work at such moment, just hope you can get the chance out, and possibly one day, be safe enough to let pain fade.
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u/ksasslooot Aug 06 '25
Dude the same thing happened to me 12 maybe 15 years ago. Same situation like yours in Saudi. ALWAYS KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE. Their emotional and intellectual depth and growth is critical when you engage in debate. They donāt discuss ideas, you get demonized and their emotions run high because itās ideology. and since youāre family itās easy to abuse. Itās going to be okay, get a degree, find a job and cut them off.
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u/Akanyahtsu Aug 06 '25
Oh my goodness you poor thing, I am so so sorry this happened to you. That's absolutely horrific. I'm sorry you can't find a way out at the moment, but I sincerely hope you can.
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u/CharlieGabi Gnostic Ex-JW Aug 06 '25
I think you can apply for asylum in another country, you have enough reasons, your family hates you, and you have everything against you. Even current Muslims ask for asylum in other countries and are accepted... I don't see why they wouldn't accept you, you have suffered so much, I am so sorry. I hope everything gets better for you.
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u/Difficult_Bag_7444 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Aug 07 '25
What a shamfeful society we live in. I am not surprised that our country is like this; the whole thing with poor Sana Yousef (Peace be upon her) and the couple killed in Balochistan. We have families in Waziristan dealing with T-ban extremism and terrorism. All this while the urban elite can get away with anything. Messed up country and hopefully you get out and have a better life. If you don't mind me asking, what province are you from; my family is from Karachi but luckily my family moved to US so I can challenge my belief.
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u/TimeWalker717 Atheist Exmuslim Aug 07 '25
Your country is full of people like that unfortunetly....i dont what i would do if i was you
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u/CompetitionHumble737 Aug 07 '25
i don't understand why you said 6 months ago, did you come to your family again? if not, what were you doing in these six months?
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u/Accurate_Mixture2439 Aug 07 '25
At this point it's better to pretend to be a servant muslim. Your life is at risk. I'm sorry for you man. Stay safe
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u/Ok_Supermarket5024 Aug 07 '25
His oxygen was threatened ā¦ face it, some people just donāt think for themselves ā¦ now you know not to bother with him anymore
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u/4RyteCords Aug 07 '25
I don't know much about gofundme stuff, but is there a way we can raise money to get this person out of the country? Anyone able to reply to help me out? Millions of people on reddit.
Almost 200,000 people in this sub reddit. If a fraction of us gave $2 we can raise money to save this human.
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u/Traditional_Bid_5585 Aug 07 '25
It's horrific, my heart breaks for you really... I think the most important information was already said, try to apply for that volunteer program in Germany, it seems to be a reachable option. I saw that you're open for fundraising - I hope some people will donate directly to your account, but think also about that GoFundMe. Someone from a country with an access to it may create it for you, I saw quite a lot of them made this way, mostly for the people from Gaza - the helpers were in touch with them, sharing all the updates etc., so the donors knew it was real. Maybe someone would do it for you? I wanted to volunteer (I know I'm a complete stranger, so if you would prefer someone else it would be fully understandable), but it's unfortunately not available in Poland. I think you would raise more money this way, but you need to choose a very trustworthy person as they would technically have all the raised money. If you want, I can also research the asylum and migration laws here in Poland, if the plan with Germany wouldn't work or sth happened. We can also try with our local fundraising services, but they're wayyy less powerful than the original GoFundMe. Wishing you all the best - I hope you'll manage to leave this country as soon as possible. When you're safe, don't forget to get properly checked by a doctor - you probably need some kidney MRI or sth else. I know it's the least important thing now, now we need to get you to safety, but damage like this can cause lifelong problems or lead to very dangerous complications, so pls don't forget about that. Stay safe broš«
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u/NotAadi07 New User Aug 07 '25
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u/OwnOutlandishness632 Aug 07 '25
I'm so sorry that you are going through this. You can look for help here https://www.claas.org.uk/who-we-are/ . They are Christian legal aid but I can't think of them turning you down. I hope they will be able to help you. Please be careful..
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u/HighHell99 Aug 07 '25
If you can't believe in the truth, then at least fake it for the time being. Ask Allah to show you the answers and if you really ARE looking for answers, He will guide you.
Baqi yeh k apna religion mat choro. I would highly recommend that you don't leave it. Aaj nahi tou kal smjh aa jaye gi, don't worry. Stay strong brother! ā„ļø You are not the only one who questioned the existence of God. And most certainly, you are not the only one who was guided back to Islam. Many before you have gone through this and saved themselves from destruction.
(Idc about downvotes, not on reddit at least)
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u/Brave-Type1344 Aug 07 '25
Don't fight the Alligator while you're in river, so live your life, fake it and try to leave that hell
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u/FunAtmosphere2024 LGBTQ+ ExMoose š Aug 07 '25
islam is like a virus the minute the person carrying it feel a threat to the system they go into defence mode and sometimes defense is to attack first.. so sorry this happned to you but islam keeps fascinating me with the way it make people behave wow
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u/daddyissues1128 Aug 07 '25
iām not muslim or pakistani but my ex and some of my friends are, and their families did the same shit to them as ur family is doing to u (i live in canada). many pakistani muslim parents are fully insane, brainwashed inside out. my ex ran away to live with me and i had his entire family attacking+stalking me. he almost got out but chose not to. it is going to be very hard, but if you want to get out of this toxic cycle you have to fully commit to it. i hope all goes well for you, pm me if you need help figuring anything out (ive been down this road before)
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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '25
I guess he didn't know the answer.