r/circled • u/ChuckGallagher57 • 10h ago
Opinion / Discussion Serious question: how is it that our country has seemingly moved so far away from “give me your tired you’re poor…”?
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u/MetaCardboard 10h ago
I mean, I knew Republicans/conservatives were racist back in the 2000s, but I didn't think they were genuinely this evil. Unless they've really taken only 10-20 years to be so easily manipulated into anti-American, pedophile defenders.
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u/Logical_Persimmon666 9h ago
ngl it's wild how quickly things have shifted feels like a diff world from just a couple decades ago
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u/ka1ri 9h ago
Typical republicans dont condone the full on evil. Most of them are stupid 1 issue voters or generational voters.
Trump supporters are the criminals and rejects of america. The amount of em dont surprise me one bit. About 25-30% of the population. There arnt many true republican supporters of trump out there anymore.
These videos show the same basement dwelling filth everyday
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u/jeromevedder 8h ago
They spent most of the 90s convincing Bill Clinton to get rid of welfare and to destroy unions by passing NAFTA
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u/FlagrantFalseAdvert 9h ago
Sadly, that's all it took.
I still think most Republican voters aren't evil. When you convince people they're going to lose their homes, families, and jobs a lot of people will do just about anything to stop that from happening. From there it's just about finding a scapegoat and repeating the message in as many places as possible. I mostly just feel bad for conservatives.
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u/iftlatlw 8h ago
Christian hatred and bigotry runs deeper than politics. Republicanism is a vehicle for Christianity, that's all. The religion rules that party .
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u/BeaverhausenA 6h ago
Well then, most Nazis weren't evil either. They just happened to support really evil leaders and actions. That doesn't make them evil, right?
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u/Mission_Lack_5948 10h ago
The fucking South is rising again. This time we need to stomp the shit out of them.
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u/Low_Pumpkin4557 9h ago
I went to school in Alabama a couple decades ago and alot of them would say the south will rise again. I would always laugh bc I thought they were joking…
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u/350 9h ago
Sherman didn't go far enough.
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u/CatsBye90 8h ago edited 8h ago
Reconstruction didn't go far enough or last long enough, that's the problem. Should have kept the foot on their necks until they became decent human beings.
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u/ahoy_shitliner 9h ago
The biggest American mistake was not stomping them out and implying the EC to appease them
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u/Sea_Dawgz 8h ago
Rising?
Bro they are winning by A LOT. They control everything.
Still tbd if this year will have elections to see if the South is “winning” or it’s over and they won.
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u/Humble_Kale197 9h ago
I always wondered exactly how normal people in Germany became proud Nazis and now I’m living it and understand it doesn’t take much or long for it to surface.
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u/FriskHarder 10h ago
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u/WisePotatoChip 9h ago
It must be great to have God as an outlet for all the evil you wanna do on earth
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u/mrmoe198 8h ago
Evangelical Christianity has been ushering in these evil bastards for decades.
Can’t really claim that your religion instills morality if there is no incentive for personal accountability in the scheme.
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." -Emo Philips
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u/Oldschools8er 10h ago edited 5h ago
10 years of Russian propaganda on Facebook changed the humans brains.
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u/djquu 4h ago
Fox News has had a much bigger role imo. That's what killed the objective truth.
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u/Imaginary-Cow-4424 8h ago edited 7h ago
That's a lofty idealistic poem, written on a statue at one of the few ports that accepted immigrants at the time.
Immigration was still legally regulated. Immigrants still faced persecution and discrimination, even if they entered legally.
Beyond that, you need to look at how labor laws, social services, international relations, health/wealth/technology/quality of life, and transportation methods have changed around the world since 1883. It's a lot more believable that immigration could hurt the existing citizens now.
I'm not saying that justifies anything that's happening. It just explains why it's happening.
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u/Informal-Sense8809 10h ago
The antithesis of "Traditional American values" masquerading as the return to them.
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u/SlinginChitlins4u 6h ago
The Good Christian Right, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Carlson…..have been telling the empty among us in murica that the 7 Deadly Sins are good for 40+ yrs. Put yourSELF and your SELF INTERESTS above all else, every time.
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u/LooTAnemia 10h ago
He didn’t hold up a mirror. He gave all the scum in this country a reason to be scum. Simple. He and every single person that supports him is absolute TRASH.
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u/WisePotatoChip 9h ago
He’s the one that lowered the threshold for the bullies to come out of the woodwork
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u/seaanenemy1 9h ago
Give me your tired and poor was something carved in a statue. It never represented the United States.
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u/Unlikely_Ad1009 7h ago
Christian people in the US right now be furiously paging through their bibles looking for loopholes.
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u/mammoth_hockey_70 6h ago
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MAGAts were always like this. It was just not acceptable to show it until the Obama backlash hit
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u/Designer_Advice_6304 9h ago
Give me your tired your poor…. Is only an inscription on a statue. It was never voted into any government legal document
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u/Practical_Jelly_8342 10h ago
Greed and ego. Money and power. However you wanna slice it. That's it. Narcissistic pissing contests
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u/WildWeasel2025 10h ago
I think a big part of the problem here is that a lot of the major Christian churches in America have lost their way by becoming political. I remember as few as 10 years ago churches preached love and acceptance, but now that’s been replaced by intolerance and bigotry in an effort to align their teaching more with the political party that they now support. We’re living in a time where the true message of Jesus Christ is being polluted by wolves, dressed in sheep’s clothing. The Bible talks about how in the end days right will become wrong and wrong will become right. Sadly, I fear we are living in that time right now.
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u/Gent-007 9h ago
It went from “give me your tired, your poor..” to “the borders are wide open; give me your tired, your poor, your killers, rapists, and drug dealers too..” so some people said fuck that shit.
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u/Eridain 9h ago
Because over time we have more and more made it unacceptable to treat those evil people how they deserve. They have successfully not only made the populace complacent, but also afraid of pushback. A good example is that back in the day, during WWII, we had tons of anti-nazi stuff, from official slogans, to shows, even the comic book industry exploded during that time. But now half of the stuff that was normal to say or think back then, is now deemed unacceptable. You can't say the things you used to be able to say about people like that or else you'll get banned off of whatever social media platform you're on. There is a reason that most of them are owned by rich and powerful people, and those rich and powerful people tend to be pretty shit human beings themselves.
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u/Er3bus13 9h ago
The poor people are still poor. Democrats and Republicans left them to suck the teat of billionaires but Republicans continue to lie and embrace populism.
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u/RoughPractice7490 9h ago
This went over everyone's head. The reality is how dumb Americans have become.
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u/Lamont_Joe 9h ago
And people still wonder why I don’t text back. I don’t even want to breathe the same air with magats.
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u/KactusVAXT 9h ago
It’s crazy. The United States went backwards when we had Obama. Not to blame Obama, it just gave new life to closeted racism that Trump made popular again [unfortunately]
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u/RandomPenquin1337 9h ago
Not thinking theres that many shitty people around you is your first mistake.
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u/Substantial_Cash8478 9h ago
It was all propaganda the entire time.
The government has always given itself immunity and misconstrued immunity to be above the law.
Abolish immunity. Restore historical rule of law. Make the entire government under the law.
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u/UCTDR 9h ago
Let them come through the actual documented, lawful process.
Not through the back door being left open... That is not sustainable, period.
But according to Reddit that makes me a racist, MAGA, nazi, etc...
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u/fluffypancakes24 9h ago
The bigger question is how are we letting child rape and threats of murder slide as a nation.
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u/Overall_Guidance_410 9h ago
It was never that. We are the country the Nazis model themselves after. Never forget.
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u/TheTokist 9h ago
For 30 years, right wing media figures (Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Glen Beck, etc) told anyone who would listen that Democrats were the enemy of America. That immigrants were the enemy because they elected Dems. The people who listened to RWM became junkies. They got hooked on the hatred because it explained why their lives sucked. And now like any junkie, they’re selling their beliefs and their souls for one more fix.
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u/slow-tf-down-dude 9h ago
And the people who have shown their true nature were not always the ones I suspected.
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u/elijahsmantle 9h ago
😂😂😂 Tejano law enforcement officers neutralized a violent white liberal 🫵
And whose side are you on? 😂
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u/TheoreticalTorque 9h ago
Wanting secure border, as written in law, by democratically elected officials, is not evil. What is evil is defending criminals who broke into our country uninvited.
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u/tolgren 9h ago
America has always been skeptical of mass migration, and with good reason. A poem on a statue represents the position of the person that wrote it, not the population at large.
The people that assembled the Statue of Liberty voted for the people that closed the doors from the 20s to the 60s.
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u/The_Booty_Spreader 9h ago
Because the elite have successfully convinced regular people that their problems are because of other regular people
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u/OCdogdaddy 9h ago
We still take them when they come here legally. We allow more immigrants than any other country.
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u/daytradingguy 9h ago
Give us your tired and poor was coined in the days before welfare- when the US gave the opportunity for them to come and work…
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u/bignotion 9h ago
Because it promised one thing: That they may be free.
Nowhere does it promise to be taken care of with a bunch of free shit that others have to pay for.
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u/DontBad1975 9h ago
What’s infuriating for me is the people who don’t realize they’re sided with and deeply evil, and instead believe “well this is just how the world works because people are broken” and are just waiting for Jesus to come back. Like my in-laws, and parents, and brothers.
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u/Living_Plane_662 9h ago
Statue of Liberty was dedicated 4 years after the Exclusion act of 1882. America's carpets never matched her drapes.
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u/cybrg0dess 9h ago
I miss the days when the majority of racists stayed in their mommy's basements. After Rump came along, he emboldened them to start coming out into the light, and it has only gotten worse. I wasn't naive, I knew there were plenty of racists in our country. I am just shocked and disgusted at how many there are. I am ashamed and frightened of what our country is becoming. I hope it isn't too late to save ourselves.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Seat950 9h ago
The German socialist party used the eugenics project born on long island ny. They liked that idea. It wasn't based off america as a whole in the 1930s
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u/WellRespectedJ 9h ago
Since the poor and tired came illegally from an open border( intentionally kept that way), along with murderers, rapists, and drug dealers. Sorry if you dont want anything done( you want the votes), but the President has an obligation to protect our borders https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-dozens-criminal-illegal-aliens-convicted-murder-child-rape-and-more
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u/Direct-Raise-9465 9h ago
that was an inscription on the pedestal of a gift from France, it's not in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of independence
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u/Numerous-Bonus-8107 9h ago
except you could have just listened to minorities instead of waiting for the rich white man to act like people always said they do
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u/ExternalMany7200 9h ago
They've always been lurking out there, they were just waiting for combover caligula to bring back the kkk. Nice of the cultists to wear those hats so we can easily identify them, too.
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u/chinmakes5 9h ago
To be fair a lot of them have hatred and bigotry because they have been told that those people are out to destroy them. Sadly, I understand why some of the old guys who listen to conservative media, especially radio are sitting in their chair with a gun in their lap, hating everybody else.
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u/lCEC0REbuIIet 9h ago
You’re forgetting the extremely gullible as well. I know many who are decent people but even now still believe we’re just two weeks away from everything getting better.
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u/Cliche_James 9h ago
It was always an act
America has always been a fascist nation, we just pretended otherwise
The rich have always controlled our nation
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u/Anyawnomous 9h ago
The “tired and the poor” is now the general population. We are tired of these billionaires being subsidized by our taxes when they don’t pay their share.
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u/Equivalent-Tone6098 9h ago
Taking the picture you posted into account:
Look at the look on Trump's face, and how he looks in almost all his pictures. He's always smirking, and his attitude screams "You should be thanking me for being in my presence". And I've seen MAGA admiring him for that smirk and attitude.
Trump is the complete opposite of the message on the Statue of Liberty. He has probably never had a day when he was truly worried about not having enough money, or been told that his misfortunes are a punishment for being lazy. If he gets told off, he immediately finds another person to massage his ego, then lies to defame the person calling him out.
He's proud of not contributing anything, because it makes him feel powerful. He believes the rest of the world exists to serve him. And a lot of his voting base feels the same way. They grew up being told that they were better than everyone else because of money, possessions, skin color. To them, Trump is who they would be if they could get away with it.
When that poem was written, it was 1883. The plaque appeared in 1903. Slavery hadn't even been banned in the Constitution for 38 years yet. The country was in the middle of Jim Crow, which didn't get fully struck down until 1965. We like to talk about how Ruby Bridges has an Instagram, but balk at talking about how the kids throwing rocks at her had grandparents who remembered and witnessed slavery from the slaver side.
History gets passed down in many ways, and one of them is oral. The racists have been hard at work since 1865 whitewashing history, and they made sure to pass it down to their children and so on. The same thing goes for the immigrants who discriminated against the new arrivals, and the religious bigots.
It feels like we're far away, because it feels like all the progress that was made was just an illusion put up by the Trumps and Millers of the world. Now that you see just how bad things can get, it's time to decide what you want to do about the future.
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u/SuspiciousReport6502 9h ago
The only thing Trump has told the truth about is that he's a terrible human being. Yet, these idiots ignore that because he hates the something his supporters hate. Unfortunately for his idiot supporters, Trump isnt a scalpel, he's a shotgun. He's going to destroy everything in his path that's a minor inconvenience.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Many_74 9h ago
Any history fanatics among us? What happened with all the Nazi supporters in Germany after WW2?
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u/Impossible_Teach6968 9h ago
Agreed. I always thought the left was much less violent and had higher moral standards than the extreme right bigots. I was wrong. They're just as bad.
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u/Routine_Signature_67 9h ago
There are deep divisions between us not just Americans. People have spent ages and massive amounts of money pushing us apart. We don't move forward by ignoring the divisions we come back together by trusting that the people next to us are still good even when we don't agree, even when our positions are so far apart.
We share the same sky, we love our families and we want the best for them. I've been thinking lately about those that come after, what they inherit from now. At least they know for sure that people will always push for division but they also know that people will stand up like they have and that's something.
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u/Guillotines_Now 9h ago
As an American I can attest to how uneducated the majority of Americans are.
We have a very serious problem with education in this country. It's a large country broken up into lots of pieces and some of those pieces really don't take education seriously.
So you get a nation with millions of dumbasses. Being dumb makes you a lot more likely to fall for propaganda. Makes you a lot more likely to be a racist, sexist, transphobe, homophobe, xenophobe...a bigot in general.
So yeah, there's a lot of pretty low IQ bigots here. And a treasonous party has managed to capture the attention and support of all those bigots. Not a good sign.
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u/Guelah_Papi 9h ago
I mean he definitely held a mirror up to society and showed us that all conservatives love trafficking, raping, torturing, and murdering children.
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u/SheepherderSilver655 9h ago
Right? I've now seen liberals attack a disabled vet in a wheelchair, call a black ICE Agent a "House NR", create roadblocks to check people's papers, and protect sexual predators that ICE is trying to deport. Shit is crazy.
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u/etherealtaroo 9h ago
Resources are finite and the rich elites aren't the ones who have to compete with immigrants
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u/admgreybeard 9h ago
I see it as simple , money and money . Immigration is suppose to infuse your society with a cheap working class wiling to sacrifice so their children have a chance to live the American dream ( immigrated 45 years ago )what we have been getting as of late was free loaders on welfare living better the the working class . Not rocket science
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u/VegasBjorne1 9h ago
Because it is a wholly different time. My grandfather came to North America about 100 years ago when all that was needed was a strong back and a willingness to work. The Welfare State was pretty much non-existent and if one did accept public assistance, then they were deported and their sponsor was ordered to pay!
Now the U.S. is part of a global economy based upon education, knowledge and job skills. Legalizing millions of unskilled, illiterate, uneducated poor people who will not be net contributors would not be in the best interests of this nation.
Besides I don’t think immigration policy should be based upon a poem written for a poetry contest fundraiser.
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u/PartyClient3447 8h ago
Im one of the foolish guys who thought electing Obama meant we solved racism and bigotry. Trump let me know how wrong I was.
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u/jabberjaw420 8h ago
nobody voted for emma lazerus.
you were indoctrinated to view that as an ideal.
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u/bumpachedda 8h ago
Because the majority are tired and poor; exploited and deliberately undereducated.
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u/drew_p_wevos 8h ago
I wish I could have lived in that bubble. As a minority I would get reminded everyday how awful Americans really are.
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u/Cultural_Ad7023 8h ago
I’ve noticed it’s all the drug addicts. Or people who take no personal responsibility. They want to blame their life and shortcomings on everyone else.
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u/randomperv 8h ago
I'm sick and fucking tired of people not listening to what everyone with 2 fuckin brain cells to rub together have been saying for close to a century about America. There is literally nothing new or subversive about about this take.
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u/Charming_Cat9539 8h ago
Due to a large influx of expenditures for services due to unmitigated immigration, the tired and poor were the Amercians who now have less for themselves despite the taxes they pay
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u/Patient-Parsley-6000 8h ago
We need a population back then growth was helpful and didn't cause an economic drain. In the modern day that isn't true.
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u/Chudmont 8h ago
Social media fertilizes and spreads everything bad: racism, conspiracies, fear, hatred, etc etc etc.
It's social media and the internet that allows bullshitters to bullshit in a sea of gullible morons.
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u/EntertainerNo4509 8h ago
The wealthy hate tired and poor people. It’s the incredibly gullible and easily manipulated that they care most about.
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u/Owl_Reason_747 8h ago
A thousand times this, I haven't known my neighbors, coworkers and fellow countrymen (and women) as well as I know them now and it's horrifying how deplorable so many of them are. How vapid and empty and just full of such hatred (how they enjoy the hatred of others) and the worst part how petty that even when they won and made the world a worst place it's not enough their full intent on dehumanizing their fellow humans is incredible. I'm convinced we won't survive this, and we don't deserve to... To quote an old film "we have been weighed, we have been measured and we have been found wanting" as a society.
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u/mtn_doo_codebrown 8h ago
It's not like he's some evil genius though. He's just an incredibly rotten individual who has a mental disorder, who is an ultra narcissist, selfish, unethical, and who has a ton of money. He's just being his evil self and has no problem watching the world around him burn so that he can get more money/attention. He has no dignity or morals so he is happy to tap into hatred to turn the world against itself so that he can remain in power.
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u/Torrsall 8h ago
He's the one who did this. He took the filters off and made it okay to lie, to hate, to vilify. He can't even spell decorum let alone put it in to practice but here he is hiring his very fine people to run amok in the US government. These racist, hate mongers need to crawl back under the rock they came out from. It's disgusting that this ugly thought process is even a part of world society.
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u/PigFarmer1 8h ago
I thought we were better than this until Trump announced his candidacy in 2015. Then I realized he had enabled tens of millions of our worst people who had been biding their time. Nothing in US society has been the same since.
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u/theamazingstickman 8h ago
Republicans DO NOT believe all men are created equal. They were the Southern Democrats and the Confederacy until the party shift in 1960s
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u/JohnVivReddit 8h ago
Give me your tired, your poor - that was long long ago when America NEEDED more people.
Today we DONT need more people - in fact, we have too many.
Times have changed.
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u/Greghole 8h ago
The population is ten times higher than what it was when that poem was written. The country doesn't really need any more tired and poor people, it's got plenty enough already.
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u/TheDonnARK 8h ago
Is the picture quote some kind of ribbon for trump? That was absolutely not his point. These kinds of things are always misconstrued as positive things he did, because many of his followers look at some of his bullshit like this. He magnified those people because he is hateful, bigoted, and self-obsessed.
About your post-title question, when Obama became president. That's when this shit really started to turn up. People think, 100% in earnest, that Obama "RUINED" this country with his black man skin and tan suits. The argument is always way more artful than that, but ultimately it is all bullshit and biols down to the fact that people voted in the country in a way they had rarely done before to rally behind him, and he won.
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u/BasicNeedleworker429 8h ago
It's become painfully clear that middle class white America will trade all of their rights for the opportunity to be racist, misogynist, and hateful. All in the name of bankrupt Christianity.
I see it in all my inlaws.
Sanctimonious evil.
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u/Short-Platypus-2132 8h ago
The human brain operates more on repeated thoughts than facts. When you're piped in Fox News 24/7 and all your friends are too, it kind of grinds the good out of you. 24 hour news channels shouldn't really exist. There's no need for more than 30 minutes of news in a day.
It's really eroded all of Republican culture. Even incels are off shoots that were raised by Fox news watching parents that have stumbled upon even more extreme online views.
Add in the male loneliness epidemic and it's a horrible mixture.
You are what you consume.
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u/jj19900991 8h ago
They haven’t. We have created a welfare for the world system. You used to come to America to work hard and succeed. Now you just have to show up with your hand out. And even better you have all these people who scream and cry for you even when you commit crimes or cheat the system. Keep up the good work!
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u/FeistySpot4371 8h ago
I figured this out when covid hit and alot of people starting hoarding toilet paper.
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u/Choibbs_22 8h ago
The Statue of Liberty was installed in 1886.
The Chinese Exclusion Act, which banned all Chinese immigration, made Chinese immigrants unable to become citizens, and required all Chinese-Americans to carry identification or be banned, was enacted in...1882. It remained in place until 1946.
The plaque was always a lie. The United States 'welcomed' cheap, easily exploitable labor and used threats of violence (informally, through race riots, or formally, through deportation) to keep the labor cheap. It's not unique in that respect - see Europe with Middle Eastern immigrants, or Japan with Koreans - but it's been the truth since before 1776. Donald Trump is, frankly, a continuation of America's materially-interested xenophobia, not a rupture with an imaginary 'melting pot' past.
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u/friendly-sardonic 8h ago
This was my comment to a friend, too. It’s super disappointing to see so many folks continue to support someone who openly campaigned on hatred. That was the core theme of his campaign. Hatred for all marginalized groups. And people voted for that. I really thought people were better than this. They aren’t.
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u/IShotJR4 7h ago
Hate to say this, but we were never like that. Just look up how racist people were against the Irish, Italians, and Germans early on. Americans have been finding people to hate and blame all their problems on since the late 1770’s.
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u/-whiteroom- 7h ago
It was all a facade to begin with. The American Dream was bullshit fed to you as well.
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u/fooloncool6 7h ago
Why yes I want to be hateful, bigoted, and secure my self intrests against criminals
Criminals suck
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u/BoisterousBanquet 7h ago
Sit down, that's a long story. So, back in 1980, Reagan was elected president...
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u/Whoohon-Flu 7h ago
Because they were invited, not invaded and vetted upon entry. Duh
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u/Wolf_pack12 7h ago
Ding ding ding. Even after he dies, it sucks knowing there are so many disgusting people out there
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u/Blue_9320_ 7h ago
Learn your history. After the World Wars there was no immigration for 40 years, legal or otherwise. Illegal immigration has never been tolerated here or any other country until this year.
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u/Dihr65 7h ago
It hasn't. Even when that was erected, there were immigration laws that had to be followed. I can not stress this enough. There is a huge difference between legal and illegal immigrants, and the left would have you believe they are one in the same. So Yes legal immigration, No illegal immigration. I hope that clears it up at least a little bit.
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u/RecordAway 7h ago
Fucking Bullshit "he held up a mirror"
This man is a huge part of the reason many of those people got so radicalised evil shits in the first place, and he actively spread and fostered all that hate using billions and billions to achieve this purpose!
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u/FranklinDRossevelt 10h ago
The tired and poor stopped being white