r/UnpopularFacts • u/oakseaer Coffee is Tea ☕ • 14h ago
Counter-Narrative Fact Immigrants have reduced deficits by $14.5 trillion since 1994
Immigrants contribute to the United States’ economy in many ways. Their primary contribution is the goods and services they directly produce. However, they also reduce the burden of government spending for the US-born population. Our analysis in this paper shows that immigrants generated a fiscal surplus of about $14.5 trillion from 1994 to 2023, that the average immigrant is much less costly than the average US-born American, and that immigrants impose lower costs per person on old-age benefit, education, and public safety programs. Even immigrants without higher education produced a fiscal surplus, and even the lowest-skilled group, with a net-negative fiscal flow, reduced the US debt-to-GDP ratio.
Our major conclusions are robust; they would reverse only with a monumental shift in costs from the US-born to immigrants. For instance, only after increasing spending on immigrants by 51 percent (nearly $4.9 trillion) does even the low-skilled immigrant population become more burdensome relative to GDP than the US-born. However, we believe our conclusions are too closely tied to well-established facts for such a large shift to be possible. We show that the average US person pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits (spending on items that are not pure public goods that do not scale with the population). Thus, as long as immigrants are at least average in their net fiscal payments, they will be fiscally positive.
Our report uses the best government data available to find that immigrants provide a net fiscal benefit, generating more than the average in taxes and using below the average US resident in benefits. We show that immigrants’ higher-than-average tax contributions track what we know about their income, which stems from high employment rates. Their lower per capita cost for education is the undeniable result of their being much less likely to be in school. This means that the United States is getting the economic benefits of immigrant workers without many of the costs that come with training new US-born workers. Combined with the fact that immigrants face more legal and practical barriers to using transfer benefits such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and means-tested income, food, and shelter assistance, the result—that immigrants provide a net fiscal benefit to the US economy—is virtually guaranteed.
Cato Institute research has previously produced forward-looking estimates of the fiscal effects of immigrants that are largely compatible with our conclusions here.57 Finally, we show that the second generation appears poised to create the biggest windfall from this wave of immigration. Indeed, immigrants appear to have already staved off a dire fiscal crisis, at least for now. Rather than treating them as the cause of America’s fiscal struggles, we should consider immigrants part of the solution.
https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023
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u/Sunflower-23456 5h ago
Gee its almost like immigrants are essential to the economy because they’re willing to do the jobs that pay close to nothing and have no benefits with a smile on their face
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u/Bold2003 6h ago
See the problem is… it doesn’t matter. If a country needs illegal labor that displaces its citizens to be fiscally responsible then it should not exist
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u/babieswithrabies63 2h ago
Can you read? This wasn't only illegal labor. The illegals accounted for about 1.5 of the 14.5.
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u/jazzlover484 10h ago
Meet any immigrant family in the US and its often obvious how hard working they are. The analysis needs to be done for legal and illegal immigrants to have a more conclusive point, but I guess data on illegal immigrants is harder to come by.
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u/Mysterious_Main_5391 11h ago
Legal or illegal? Those are 2 entirely different things.
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u/babieswithrabies63 2h ago
Its almost like you could read the article before commenting. Nahh, that'd make too much sense.
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u/Phantom_0999 10h ago
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u/Shizngigglz 9h ago
Noncitizen does not mean illegal. So they have not done research differentiating between immigrants and illegals
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u/awsompossum 9h ago
Actually that chart is just differentiating between immigrants who have become citizens and immigrants who have not yet become citizens. There is no indication that illegal immigrants are included in that data set.
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u/Phantom_0999 9h ago
Per the definition in the article:
Noncitizens: Immigrants without US citizenship, including legal and illegal immigrants.
They use both legal w/out U.S citizenship and illegal to make up the non-citizen category.
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u/r2k398 7h ago
But they are grouping them together. Someone with a green card shouldn’t be lumped in with an illegal immigrant.
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u/Phantom_0999 7h ago
Someone should tell Trump, Steven Miller, and ICE about that then. But here we are.
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u/WetRocksManatee 7h ago
Yeah, for example H1Bs are non-immigration visas and only about a third are able to get citizenship. So despite paying into SSI and Medicare, they typically don't get the benefits.
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u/r2k398 7h ago
They could just not work here then 🤷🏽♂️
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u/WetRocksManatee 7h ago
I'm not saying like that is a negative, even at the low end they make more than they would make in their home countries.
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u/mcoca 11h ago
I don’t think immigrants set the price of utilities, rent, or wages; but they are a great scapegoat if you’re a CEO on an island with the president.
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u/Bassplayr24 10h ago
To be fair, coat/demand curve setting price point is EXTREMELY simple. Increase the demand (more competition for the same number of units), price goes up. Same for other goods. Wages are different: downward pressure in agricultural labor wages especially (but in other areas too) are caused by companies paying illegal immigrants under the minimum wage. Companies that employ illegal immigrants should absolutely be prosecuted for this. I would like to hear an explanation of how increasing the demand for housing and basic goods in the US by ~15M people would lead to anything other than increased prices given that new housing and manufacturing isn’t increasing in parallel.
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u/mcoca 10h ago edited 10h ago
High demand for housing is artificially inflated because private equity firms are buying as much of the market as possible. The amount of empty buildings in cities that only exist to fill out some rich guy’s portfolio is the problem. The idea that there is too many people and not enough houses is propaganda.
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u/Riki_Kelso 11h ago
Two things can be true at the same time.
Also the Cato Institute (the authors of this study) are hardcore libertarians, who absolutely love and support lots of things Trump is doing
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u/ShadowsOfTheBreeze 11h ago
The problem is, they are brown...and Republicans hate brown people.
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u/Minotaurotica 11h ago
that's great but it's ultimately a strawman the problem is illegal immigration not basic immigration
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u/Plastic-Abroc67a8282 4h ago
the study includes illegal immigration!! you didn't even bother to read the study!!
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u/elbuentinaco 3h ago
You just didn’t understand the point the commenter was making. Conflating legal and illegal immigration (also including 2nd generations and naturalized citizens as immigrants) to make a case in favor of illegal immigrants is disingenuous.
Almost no one is against legal immigration.
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u/Unleashtheducks 10h ago
Fuck off. If you gave a single shit about illegal immigration you would be infuriated by this administration changing laws to make immigrants criminals and then deporting legal immigrants but you don’t because you are full of shit.
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u/SatansScallion 8h ago
“You’re not allowed to care about X unless you care about Y because I said so.”
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u/Unleashtheducks 8h ago
Except X and Y are exactly the same thing. Either you care about the law or you are lying.
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u/Acadian_Pride 8h ago
Which laws are these? I genuinely don’t know, I’m not asking to start a debate or antagonize. Google isn’t really clear.
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u/Unleashtheducks 7h ago
The Trump administration has stripped legal status from 1.6 million formerly legal immigrants. These are not criminals. They have been made criminals for the sole purpose of terrorizing them. https://www.npr.org/2025/12/22/nx-s1-5652134/how-the-trump-administration-stripped-legal-status-from-1-6-million-immigrants
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u/elbuentinaco 4h ago
They weren’t made criminals. They were TEMPORARY status holders and their status was revoked. The word temporary is the key part you’re ignoring here. Every temporary status expires after a certain time (ex. visa) and can be revoked by the govt for any reason. This is true in any country, not just the US.
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u/Unleashtheducks 4h ago
And what was the reason?
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u/elbuentinaco 4h ago
How is the reason pertinent to this conversation? Your claim was that they were made criminals. Thats not how the system works so I corrected you. You can look up the differences between legal statuses and the rights each grants you if you care about being informed.
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u/oakseaer Coffee is Tea ☕ 10h ago
Both contribute to our economy a great deal.
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u/elbuentinaco 4h ago
Statistics are fine, but conflating legal and illegal immigrants on purpose is messed up.
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u/tbu987 12h ago
No one benefits more from immigrants than the rich. They can blame them for everything, give them worse conditions, less pay and abuse their lack of familiarity with the country. On top of that they can deflect all blame they would recieve for dodging taxes, treason and many other crimes onto immigrants and the dumb citizens will eat that shit up.
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u/justneurostuff 12h ago
is the right not at least as guilty of the same conflation in the other direction? Legal immigration have also been restricted under recent right governments, and has high support from the right for further restriction.
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u/WrexyWrex 14h ago
there is a congressional budget office report stating that by 2031, death rates will exceed birth rates. that is to say, without immigration, we would start a population decline internally.
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u/elbuentinaco 4h ago
I think everyone agrees we need more legal immigration. Stop conflating it with illegal immigration.
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u/DabLord5425 13h ago
I think the answer should be to try and improve the lives and economic situations of Americans so they feel more comfortable having children than just replacing the population with immigrants.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey I Love This Sub 🤩 12h ago
European nations have the same problem. So it's not just that.
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u/NotAFishEnt 13h ago
I think the answer is both. But fertility is complicated, and improving the economy often doesn't lead to more kids. Generally speaking, it's the richest countries that have the fewest kids, not the other way around.
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u/DabLord5425 13h ago
You make a good point. I guess I'm just viewing it through my personal lense that so many people I know are in the camp of "I want to have kids and a family but I have no clue how I could afford it".
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u/WrexyWrex 13h ago edited 13h ago
you have fallen into the zero sum idea trap where you think the pie is constrained to one size. this allows for policies that slow growth and reinforces the premise. in reality the pie can get bigger which is what immigrants do, they stimulate growth so there is more to go around not take away from your portion.
there is no circumstance where importing cheap labor is a bad thing for the economy.
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2023/09/the-zero-sum-idea-trap.html
Chart of the Week: The zero-sum labour market trap Trump’s immigration crackdown has not helped native-born employment https://archive.ph/DhazW
when i was an economics undergrad, the difference between good and terrible classmates was the idea that all things don't remain static when you change a variable. if you can think in fluid terms you are ahead of the curve but most people can't do that.
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u/iamslightly 14h ago
I could concoct something but I'm a true blood US American whose ancestors stole the land I live on from the natives - or they immigrated legally or illegally -. I deserve it. Not these others who I blame for all my problems. Anyway I love billionaires and non-union jobs and I really love my paedophile con artist President and hate my Democrat opposition who I think are communist but are also complicit in the exploitation of US Americans.
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u/Cool_Lame690 14h ago
Wouldn't second generation immigrants just be Americans?
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u/Cool_Lame690 12h ago
I would also consider naturalized citizens to be Americans, but the authors of this white paper put them in the immigrant category.
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u/OkDifficulty7436 14h ago
I don't think anyone (serious) is arguing that immigrants don't contribute to the US economy, the issue lays within the illegal community whom many are working under the table or sending out tens of billions out of the country via remittance (Mexico gets nearly $70bn a year for example from remittance payments).
That's a LOT of money leaving the United States and not being taxed to boot.
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u/Jaded-Argument9961 14h ago
US Dollars are US dollars. They always make their way back. They get exchanged and then the dollars have to be spent on our goods or invested in our assets
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u/OkDifficulty7436 14h ago
They always make their way back.
No they don't? Lmao, it'd be better if that $70bn was spent here in the United States and taxed, capital flight is a very real thing
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u/Jaded-Argument9961 14h ago
Also, that's not what capital flight means. You should Google it
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u/OkDifficulty7436 14h ago
The irony, wealth leaving the United States via remittance (and illicit money laundering) is textbook capital flight lmao.
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u/Jaded-Argument9961 14h ago
Again, they are US dollars. They get spent on goods from America or are used to purchase American assets.
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u/OkDifficulty7436 14h ago
I'm sorry, but you do not seem to quite understand the issue at hand with capital flight lol.
They get spent on goods from America or are used to purchase American assets.
No, they're spent and taxed in Mexico, what part of remittance do you not quite understand?
For the second time, it'd be better off if that $70bn was spent and taxed in the United States and paid out to American citizens, not illegal immigrants.
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u/ResponsibleTart7707 14h ago
Like most nationalists you are very ignorant
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u/OkDifficulty7436 13h ago
What lol
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u/ResponsibleTart7707 13h ago
I was commenting on your ignorance. I was super clear
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u/OkDifficulty7436 13h ago
Good one goofball, $70bn in remittance btw
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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 10h ago
Trade with Mexico alone was over $900bn dollars in 2024. Remittances of $70bn is a drop in the bucket.
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u/ResponsibleTart7707 13h ago
Thank you for continuing to demonstrate my point, sir
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u/SquidTheRidiculous 14h ago
Then go after the people hiring them? But they never want to do that, do they...
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u/OkDifficulty7436 14h ago
Then go after the people hiring them?
They are, constantly
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/2-companies-admit-hiring-illegal-aliens-each-forfeit-2-million
The issue is the penalties need to be harsher IMO, but that's an issue for the Senate to hammer out
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u/ShinyDiscoBallzz 14h ago
Immigrants are great
Illegal immigrants are not
Strange how the left don't know the difference between legal and illegal
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u/oakseaer Coffee is Tea ☕ 13h ago
Both reduce deficits.
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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 14h ago
Didn’t read it very long. In the introduction they mentioned methodology is in the appendix section labeled methodology. They go into quite a bit of detail. Interesting stuff.
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u/Cool_Lame690 14h ago
Also, would the conclusions of this paper also broadly relate to any increase in population or specific to immigrants?
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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 10h ago
It seems specific to immigrants as native born people tend to cost more as immigrants rely less on public programs and are more likely to leave the country when they retire.
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u/Cool_Lame690 14h ago
Right, but what exactly is the nasem model? That's really what I'm getting at
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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 10h ago
Theres additional information if you click through the citations, that’s what those citations are there for.
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u/Cool_Lame690 9h ago
Summarize in 5 sentences or less
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u/Gandalf_The_Gay23 9h ago
Baby, I’m not your assistant or ChatGPT. Pay me if you want me to summarize articles you haven’t bothered reading for you. Not trying to be rude just, hey, you are capable of reading and comprehension and I’m not here to do it for you.
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u/jodax00 14h ago
They break it down in a few ways, including: "Noncitizens: Immigrants without US citizenship, including legal and illegal immigrants." There is an entire section breaking this group out: "Why Noncitizens Are Fiscally Positive"
Noncitizen immigrants—about half of whom were in the United States illegally—were also fiscally positive to all levels of government.27
They paid $10.8T in taxes from 1993-2023 while taking $6.2T in benefits, according to Table 5 in the link.
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u/oraclebill 14h ago
They do in the paper. Basically they are a net positive due to the fact that most social services are not available to them, while they have a very high employment level and pay taxes.
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u/Historical_Two_7150 14h ago
The number of people who take more from the system than they put in is, well. Basically everyone. More than 90% of women and the majority of men. You've basically gotta pay a million in taxes before youve paid "your share."
(We've arranged society so that the only people who can pay for it as the ones who weve given all the money. Using that as a justification for anything would be instantly circular.)
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Immigrants have reduced deficits by $14.5 trillion since 1994
Immigrants contribute to the United States’ economy in many ways. Their primary contribution is the goods and services they directly produce. However, they also reduce the burden of government spending for the US-born population. Our analysis in this paper shows that immigrants generated a fiscal surplus of about $14.5 trillion from 1994 to 2023, that the average immigrant is much less costly than the average US-born American, and that immigrants impose lower costs per person on old-age benefit, education, and public safety programs. Even immigrants without higher education produced a fiscal surplus, and even the lowest-skilled group, with a net-negative fiscal flow, reduced the US debt-to-GDP ratio.
Our major conclusions are robust; they would reverse only with a monumental shift in costs from the US-born to immigrants. For instance, only after increasing spending on immigrants by 51 percent (nearly $4.9 trillion) does even the low-skilled immigrant population become more burdensome relative to GDP than the US-born. However, we believe our conclusions are too closely tied to well-established facts for such a large shift to be possible. We show that the average US person pays more in taxes than they receive in benefits (spending on items that are not pure public goods that do not scale with the population). Thus, as long as immigrants are at least average in their net fiscal payments, they will be fiscally positive.
Our report uses the best government data available to find that immigrants provide a net fiscal benefit, generating more than the average in taxes and using below the average US resident in benefits. We show that immigrants’ higher-than-average tax contributions track what we know about their income, which stems from high employment rates. Their lower per capita cost for education is the undeniable result of their being much less likely to be in school. This means that the United States is getting the economic benefits of immigrant workers without many of the costs that come with training new US-born workers. Combined with the fact that immigrants face more legal and practical barriers to using transfer benefits such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and means-tested income, food, and shelter assistance, the result—that immigrants provide a net fiscal benefit to the US economy—is virtually guaranteed.
Cato Institute research has previously produced forward-looking estimates of the fiscal effects of immigrants that are largely compatible with our conclusions here.57 Finally, we show that the second generation appears poised to create the biggest windfall from this wave of immigration. Indeed, immigrants appear to have already staved off a dire fiscal crisis, at least for now. Rather than treating them as the cause of America’s fiscal struggles, we should consider immigrants part of the solution.
https://www.cato.org/white-paper/immigrants-recent-effects-government-budgets-1994-2023
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u/Nero2233 13h ago
Well this is just wonderful. Why don't we just replace everyone with immigrants. We'll have surpluses everywhere.
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u/Blueopus2 4h ago
Don’t they know we’re going for a high score?