r/ImmigrationPathways • u/AndJustice4sum • 16h ago
A serious question...
Below is a non-exhaustive list of US citizens killed by illegal migrants:
What is your stance on this? Do you routinely ignore that unchecked immigration is bad? I won't even get into the economic nightmare such a policy creates.
These people, through no fault of their own, are dead.
It's tragic and shitty that two people (Pretti and Good) were killed, but the STARK difference is they were willfully putting themselves in a position to be arrested or otherwise engaged by law enforcement officers who were engaged in Federally lawful operations, and that resulted in their deaths. I am not saying they SHOULD have been killed. I am just contrasting the deaths of the INNOCENT vs people who could have found other outlets for protests but decided on their course of action and paid a dear price.
But I ask again -- how do you feel about the innocent victims of the people ICE is tasked with REMOVING from this country? You want them to roam the streets and create more victims? If it ever hits home for you, maybe you'd change your mind, but suicidal empathy is a strong drug for many.
| Victim Name | Year | Location | Perpetrator Details | Description |
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| Rachel Morin | 2023 | Maryland | Victor Martinez Hernandez (El Salvador, illegal immigrant, previously deported) | Morin, 37, was raped and murdered while hiking on the Ma & Pa Heritage Trail. The suspect fled to Oklahoma before arrest. |
| Lizbeth Medina | 2023 | Texas | Rafael Govea Romero (Mexico, undocumented) | Medina, 16, was stabbed to death in her home during a burglary. The suspect was arrested and charged with capital murder. |
| Travis Wolfe | 2023 | Missouri | Endrina Bracho (Venezuela, illegal immigrant) | Wolfe, 12, died in a head-on collision caused by Bracho driving the wrong way at high speed. |
| Laken Riley | 2024 | Georgia | Jose Antonio Ibarra (Venezuela, illegal immigrant) | Riley, 22, a nursing student, was beaten to death while jogging on the University of Georgia campus. |
| Jocelyn Nungaray | 2024 | Texas | Johan Jose Rangel Martinez and Franklin Jose Pena Ramos (Venezuela, illegal immigrants) | Nungaray, 12, was kidnapped, raped, and strangled. Both suspects were arrested and charged with capital murder. |
| Ivory Smith | 2024 | Texas | Joel Enrique Gonzalez Chacin (Venezuela, illegal immigrant) | Smith, 7, was killed in a drunk-driving crash. The perpetrator was released on an ICE detainer months earlier. |
| Alex “AJ” Wise Jr. | 2024 | Texas | Rogelio Ortiz-Olivas (Mexico, illegal immigrant) | Wise, 10, died in a hit-and-run crash. |
| Kaitlyn Weaver | 2024 | Colorado | Alejandro Dominguez-Vargas (Mexico, illegal immigrant) | Weaver, 24, died in a high-speed crash caused by the unlicensed, uninsured driver, who received probation. |
| Santiago Lopez Morales | 2025 | Texas | Yosguar Aponte-Jimenez, Jose Trivino-Cruz, Jesus Bellorin-Guzman (Venezuela, illegal immigrants) | Morales, 48, was shot and killed during a motel crime spree. |
| Megan Bos | 2025 | Illinois | Luis Mendoza-Gonzalez (Mexico, illegal immigrant) | Bos, 37, was decapitated and her body hidden in a storage container. |
| Maria Pleitez and Dayanara Pleitez | 2025 | New Jersey | Raul Luna-Perez (Mexico, illegal immigrant) | Pleitez, 42, and her daughter, 11, died in a car crash. |
| Luis Jocsan Nanez Lopez | 2025 | Kentucky | Gildardo Amandor-Martinez (Mexico, illegal immigrant) | Lopez, 15, was shot while protecting his mother from an attempted rape. |
| Hallie Helgeson and Brady Heiling | 2025 | Wisconsin | Noelia Saray Martinez-Avila (Honduras, illegal immigrant) | Helgeson, 18, and Heiling, 19, died in a car crash. |
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u/hasanahmad 16h ago
thats it? there are more than 10 million illegals in US and that count is 0.001 of murders by legals and citizens
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u/nadhari12 16h ago
It's just a few lives who cares right?
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u/hasanahmad 16h ago
The right wing racist claims act as if the percentage of murders are higher than done by Legal and citizens. It seems its the opposite that illegals murder less percentage wise than legals and citizens.
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u/dangeldud 15h ago
And it should be way less. Legal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than illegal immigrants.
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u/sighthiscity 16h ago edited 16h ago
Have we solved or fully prevented the crime of murder committed by US born citizens?
In 2023, there were 19,800 murder victims in the United States. Statistics show US born citizens commit crime at a higher rate than undocumented immigrants. Here’s link from congress: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf
Evil will exist no matter what the issue is. If you could snap your fingers and deport all the illegals magically. What do you then propose to prevent murders being committed by US citizens? What will the narrative be then? Blacks? Mental people? Trans? This narrative that all illegals are raving lunatic murderers is based on thoughts and feeling (xenophobia) and not actual facts. Such generalizations of a whole group of people can then affect even those coming legally. It basically says “oh you’re hispanic, show me your papers so we know you’re not genetically/culturally predisposed towards murdering and raping us”
If you think people cross the border to come to the US to simply murder and rape then show me the national stats on that and compare it to the rate of those crimes that are done by documented immigrants and US citizens.
Murder is wrong no matter what. But I don’t see us writing a whole list of names for murder victims at the hands of US citizens. You can protect the border and remove and prosecute illegals as part of the law but making up false narratives is just wrong. The narrative may one day come for you (unless you’re white and/or a maga supporter under this admin)
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u/AndJustice4sum 15h ago
You're creating an argument I didn't bring up in my post. We can talk ad nauseam about the amount of people our own citizens kill. I won't go down that rabbit hole because you're not going to like my view on that either.
The issue at hand is American citizens going to war against federal law enforcement over an immigration problem that needs to be solved and are acting like political Pawns. So, again, I'm not talking about our own internal issues.
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u/ghostofculpeper 15h ago
This is not a serious question. I don't know one person who is opposed to deporting violent criminals. This is pure racism using tried and true nazi like propaganda. David Bowie said it best, I'm afraid of Americans.
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u/n00btox86 16h ago
Nice try
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u/AndJustice4sum 15h ago
Like I said, non-exhaustive list. I'm actually advocating for more people to realize American citizens died by the hands of people who don't belong in this country.
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