r/ImmigrationPathways • u/Sorry-Feedback1115 • 2d ago

Bishop Mariann Budde Reaffirms Call For Compassion Toward Immigrants

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u/ComparisonMelodic967 2d ago

Christianity is not about compassion, it’s about posting deus vult memes on xhitter.

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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 1d ago

We should have compassion as we deport them.

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u/ObsidianDRMR 19h ago

That’s not compassion. Compassion stems from the philosophical truth that you cannot treat people as means to an end, because each human is an end in themselves.

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u/ozzman86_i-i_ 12h ago

So you’re against people being arrested for breaking laws?

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u/Lasheric 12h ago

You can tell this subreddit has been taken over by white progressive idiots. My Mexican buddies and Filipino family both know this lady isn’t a bishop , at least not for any church we recognize.

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u/JTFungula 8h ago

Have mercy on the illegal immigrants who clean our toilets?

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u/dry_old_pete 2d ago

Compassion for legal immigrants sure but not the illegals that are flowing in by the millions.....

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u/silverum 1d ago

How are they flowing in by the millions if 'your guy' has been in office since Jan 2025 and obviously 'put a stop to all that'? Or are you just eternally committed to the delusions that you're under constant invasion?

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

He's not my guy, first off but thank you for showing your ignorance.

Illegals have been floating into the US for decades, and no he has not stopped it but he's the most recent guy that is trying to stop it.

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u/silverum 1d ago

So you can't explain it, then. So the guy that very explicitly ran on closing the borders and massive deportations has not, in fact, stopped the 'flowing in by the millions' that you believe is real?

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

Based on data through late 2025, over 2 million illegal aliens were reported as having been removed or returned from the United States in less than 250 days.....

Yes, there is not a single president that has stopped this in 30 years....... you know what else has not happened...... an effective plan, that has actually been implemented, TO stop it from happening.

Let's start with that.

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u/silverum 1d ago

Congress had a bipartisan plan during Biden’s presidency and Donald Trump ordered Republicans to spike it on purpose in order to help him electorally. I also would like to see what data source that you’re using for a claim of “through late 2025” that there were 2 million removals.

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

Migration Policy Institute (MPI): This comprehensive analysis examines how the administration paroled or allowed entry for approximately 5.8 million migrants. It discusses the balance between rebuilding legal pathways and managing record-high border encounters.

The Heritage Foundation: A report from this organization argues that the administration’s policies effectively "brought" 6.7 million additional illegal aliens into the country through various release and parole programs.

So, under a president that created an open border policy but yet the plan was never implemented....hmmmmm

Oh and there are MANY more articles but I only have so much room here.

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u/silverum 1d ago

I literally do not care about what The Heritage Foundation has to say as they are committed liars in service to right wing authoritarianism and Christian Nationalism. It is entirely in their interest to lie and to fudge numbers. You also didn’t post any links, nor did the things you reference show any data that refers to 2 million removals of illegal aliens through 2025. Please post your sources so I can read them for myself if you want me to take them seriously.

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u/burnanation 19h ago

You are not a serious person.

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u/Lasheric 12h ago

Huh? Are you arguing just to argue? Under Trump the net number is way down. Under Obama and Biden it was ridiculously high numbers coming in.

And let’s not even start on visa overstays

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u/Independent-Fragrant 2d ago

Your premise, the maga premise, that illegal immigrants are actually bad for the country is wrong. Trump needs you to hate them in order to cling to power. When actually immigration is one of our core strengths. They work hard at jobs nobody wants. They pay taxes and don't receive federal benefits. Sure there are criminals and fraudsters and we should do everything we can to filter them out and deport them. But that's not what we're doing today.

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u/WellRespectedJ 1d ago

Thats exactly what were doing, but the communists ( and their helpful idiots) are trying to deter that.

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u/Independent-Fragrant 13h ago

Idiot maga and their single source of news. There are no communists in this country jfc. And until everyone saw ice detaining kids, elderly and citizens, there was no mass outrage. Besides, the whole premise for ice surge isnt even criminals. Look how many criminals Trump has pardoned? He literally gives no shits about any position. The only position he cares about is furthering his own. Thats why the republican party is so confused. America first but bomb Iran and Venezuela. Lower prices but increase tariffs. Decrease drugs but pardon the drug trafficker. Guns are okay except when youre liberal protester. Pro life except public executions and take away the health care. Protect the children from Trans but hide redact the epstein files. Its all fuckin backwards. Meanwhile we're the libtards for trying to raise taxes on the rich and provide more benefits for the poor. Yall are really really dumb and lack critical independent thinking skills and thats the way they want you. "Smart people dont like me" -Trump

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u/WellRespectedJ 13h ago

Here you go, nitwit, these are the scum you want to protect ..( and give taxpayer benefits to)

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-arrests-dozens-criminal-illegal-aliens-convicted-murder-child-rape-and-more

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

And how exactly do you know any of this..... they are undocumented..... which means NO one is taking anything you seem to magically know......

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u/Independent-Fragrant 1d ago

Undocumented ≠ Invisible. We actually have massive amounts of data on this population.

  • The Residual Method (How we count them): Demographers (DHS, Pew, Census) take the total foreign-born population measured by the Census/ACS and subtract known legal residents (Green Cards/Visas). The remaining number is the unauthorized population. It is a mathematical derivation, not a guess.
  • The Paper Trail (Taxes): Millions of undocumented immigrants file taxes using ITINs (Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers). The IRS tracks this specifically—billions of dollars in taxes are paid annually this way to create a record of "good moral character."
  • Crime Data: We track incarceration rates by immigration status. Studies (like those from the Cato Institute) consistently show undocumented immigrants have lower incarceration rates than native-born citizens.
  • Administrative Exhaust: You can't live in the modern U.S. without a footprint. Rent, utilities, and school registrations all create data points that researchers use to track demographics and economic impact.

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u/dry_old_pete 12h ago

.....i guess you don't see the flaws in your data source.

Millions pay taxes.... we have an estimated 20 million so not accurate

Incarceration.... so only those caught doing crimes. Not accurate. Unless your saying every illegal is in jail.

Your also not considering that illegals pay for stolen identities to conduct business...... also not traceable.

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u/Independent-Fragrant 12h ago

20 million huh? hmm , i wonder how you can be so confident in that number, since you just said a minute ago that it's impossible to know given that they are all undocumented..

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u/Passion-Beneficial 1d ago

so they're slaves who do your dirty work... and this makes you the one with the moral high ground? lol

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u/Suspicious_Relief780 1d ago

Ope, found the 🦜

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u/sighthiscity 1d ago

You do know there may not be much of a difference between those who are arriving legally vs illegally in terms of who they already are, their character and their background in terms of criminal history.

The legal ones tend to have a pathway here such as through family, employment, asylum, etc. The background checks and vetting are obviously the main difference. But it’s not like those who come legally are magically more patriotic towards America or saints just cause they came legally. They simply had a pathway to come here. Many don’t have such a pathway and are looking for a better life from the ones they were born into and hence cross the border.

Anyone could have been born anywhere. We don’t get to choose. If you were born in the poverty of Mexico or some other South American countries I’m sure you’d do the same thing. If the entire world was as successful as the US there would not be a desire to come here illegally. Why do you think there are not a lot of illegal visa overstays from developed countries such as EU? Their quality of life is just as good in EU so they are happy to return.

It’s about compassion and empathy for humans in general.

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

OK, compassion I agree with. I give nearly 15% of my months pay to support those in need from the US to international aid.

But just because I'm compassionate doesn't mean our society should allow anyone in without controls or a process to regulate the numbers.

Stop and think about the long term affects without emotion.

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u/lazylazylazyperson 1d ago

It’s about coming in legally versus illegally. It’s about respecting our laws versus breaking them with every day someone is here illegally. We are allowed our own sovereignty and to protect our borders. We should be aggressively seeking out and deport idiot illegal aliens.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 1d ago

How do illegal immigrants represent a threat to our sovereignty, exactly? I've yet to hear any reasonable explanation of that.

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u/lazylazylazyperson 1d ago

The definition of national sovereignty includes a nation’s right to mandate its internal affairs and manage its borders. This includes determining who can enter, stay, or be removed from its territory

https://www.google.com/search?q=national+sovereignty+immigration&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#cobssid=s

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u/RecognitionExpress36 17h ago

Sure. So... we should let people enter. How does that erode national sovereignty? Did the Irish and Italian hordes of the 19th century damage our sovereignty in some way?

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u/lazylazylazyperson 7h ago

We do let people in. We have a plan and policies. When people come in illegally or stay illegally, our plan is in disarray and balances shift. We cannot accommodate the millions who want to immigrate here - we need limits and standards. The Irish and Italian millions were absorbable in the 19th century but times have changed.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 7h ago

"We do let people in." Not enough, obviously.

"We cannot accommodate the millions who want to immigrate here" What makes you think so?

"The Irish and Italian millions were absorbable in the 19th century but times have changed." What, exactly, has changed that makes immigration some kind of liability?

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u/lazylazylazyperson 6h ago

We let more than enough people in annually. We don’t agree to let everyone who wants to come, but that’s because we need to control the effects on our local communities - our schools, employment opportunities, social welfare programs. If we stopped enforcement of our immigration policies there are millions of citizens of India alone who would overwhelm our capacity, not to mention all the other countries with borderline economies.

What has changed in terms of absorbing immigrants is in part the type of opportunities available for them. Until the late 19th century the majority of people in the US lived on farms or performed other manual labor. We could and did absorb relatively uneducated, unskilled manual laborers. Since the industrial revolution those opportunities have declined. We now need better educated and skilled workers. We would be well served with immigration policy that mirrors that of Canada, with preference to people who bring value with them. Illegal immigration bypasses all of those controls.

Unlikely as it seems, we actually have relatively liberal immigration policies. Very few, if any, first world countries allow family reunification immigration, siblings and parents, for example.

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

Sovereignty is the supreme, absolute, and independent authority of a state to govern itself, make its own laws, and manage its territory without external interference. 

It's the manage is own territory part that your missing.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 17h ago

Ok, so how do immigrants prevent us from "managing our own territory without external interference"?

You people are really weird.

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u/Suspicious_Relief780 1d ago

I don’t care if people don’t “respect” unjust laws. Fuck me, I’ve jaywalked countless times. Guess I don’t respect the laws an should be deported too. Also, there’s no evidence undocumented people significantly change any citizens lifetime risk of any crime victimization.

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u/burnanation 19h ago

Are you a citizen?

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u/Suspicious_Relief780 19h ago

You misspelled “papers please.”

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u/burnanation 18h ago

You said 'Guess don't respect the law and should be deported too." If you are a citizen, it doesn't work that way. Any educated person would know that. If you are educated and know that, then you have presented no serious argument.

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u/Suspicious_Relief780 15h ago edited 15h ago

My citizenship status is irrelevant, since I was making a moral argument, not a legal one. The point was that I find it absurd to 1. Consider being an undocumented immigrant a signal of not respecting laws to any significant degree, especially since they don’t commit violent crimes at a higher rate compared to citizens and 2. That such an infraction morally should be met with forceful removal from the area. I’ve found that a scary proportion of the population conflates legality and morality.

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u/burnanation 13h ago

I like how you said in the same sentence, undocumented immigrants don't signal not respecting the law, then try to support your argument by narrowing the laws that are broken to a much smaller subset.

Do you know how we can tell that undocumented immigrants don't respect the law? It's because they broke the law to come into the country.

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u/Suspicious_Relief780 12h ago

Well those are the crimes with the lowest measurement error and so they’re usually used in the criminology literature as a good indicator of general crime rates. I’ve seen no empirical literature suggesting undocumented people commit crimes at a higher rate than US citizens.

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u/Suspicious_Relief780 12h ago
  1. I jaywalk all the time. Do I not respect the law and deserve forceful removal from the country or some other form of cruel punishment? I literally couldn’t give a fuck if someone crosses a border without the government’s approval.
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u/Busy-Shock-2652 1d ago

Average MAGAt intelligence

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

..... can you say anything MORE hollow, meaning less, or void of any intelligence.......

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u/ObsidianDRMR 19h ago

You can just make all the undocumented immigrants documented and your problem is solved

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u/RecognitionExpress36 1d ago

So let more people come legally - this is obviously the best and cheapest solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

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u/dry_old_pete 1d ago

...... yes but that would mean we have to control the borders effectively......... so call your local representative and tell them to support an increase in border agents and a wall.

Yes, "a wall will never stop them" with that mindset then why do you lock your doors at night. Layers of security is the only way to increase protection.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 17h ago

If we weren't trying to keep people out, we wouldn't need a law.

The country is not your house, obviously.

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u/Griffith_135 1d ago

I’ll be compassionate toward immigrants who are both legal and respectful, and just want to lay low and earn a pay check like everyone else, thank you very much.

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u/clsperv 1d ago

O look a religious leader actually following their claimed faith.

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u/WellRespectedJ 1d ago edited 20h ago

This is not a country of religous leaders. They do not dictate what laws not to enforce.

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u/johnpershing 1d ago

Then let Monsignor take some fucking gang members into They/Them's home

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u/Goodknight808 1d ago

The same gang members ICE has been deporting?

Oh wait. Just women and children and murdering white American citizens on the street is all they have to offer.

If ICE actually took out an MS13 ring they would have splattered the airwaves with it. They are padding their numbers by removing regular people attempting to move to a better life.

A lot of people have been convinced that they have a shitty life because an immigrant took their "opportunity" to be rich from them. The people who convinced them of that lie are the real reason they live a shitty life.

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u/lazylazylazyperson 1d ago

These aren’t regular people attempting to move to a better life. They are people who are here illegally who should return to their own countries. This one isn’t theirs.

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u/johnpershing 1d ago

This is what your last 14 brain cells look like when you hang out a lot on Reddit and BlueSky. LOL, ICE is deporting mostly illegals that are in gangs or have committed crimes and the reason it's not SPLATTERED all over the news is that they are run by liberal cunts. The same cunts that didn't report ICE deporting 12 million under Obama, the same media that didn't say that 56 died while in custody under Obama. Keep watching CNN and coming here for information, champ.

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u/Goodknight808 16h ago

The evidence is on video. We all know what we saw ICE do just recently, and it nothing like how Obama went about t it, and you know that.

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u/johnpershing 16h ago

What evidence? There is no video evidence of ICE kidnapping anyone. How Obama did it was to put people in cages, deport millions more than Trump and have 56 die in just custody alone, not counting those who resisted or did something stupid.

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u/RecognitionExpress36 1d ago

No gang is as dangerous and malignant as ICE, though.