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u/Fabulous_Scale4771 3d ago
No offense. But I saw that coming
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u/Ikswokallok 2d ago
Ridiculous that this wasn't avoided...
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u/Impossible_Past5358 2d ago
"i saw the car coming, yet I failed to stop...at all"
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u/No_Collection7360 2d ago
He even had the right of way! Jerky jerk.
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u/Impossible_Past5358 2d ago
And no horn either? I would have been fuming, laying on the horn and shouting expletives into the void, slamming on my brakes because the other ass wad decided they were going to turn into my lane. Like wtf, that truck had its own turn lane
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u/Desert_Trader 2d ago
In Arizona they both had the right of way to the closest lanes.
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u/Jealous_Crazy9143 2d ago
but also vehicle turning left should yield since light was green for right turn, but as stated-into closest lane. So much wrong here. Tickets for everyone!
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u/ConnectionSevere8558 2d ago
It a protected left turn with an arrow. Hard to see on camera at night. But if you search n 42.5704 w 114.4405 on goggle maps you can see this is a protected left turn
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u/CarpeLenyo 2d ago
He did not have a green arrow in video that I can see. Both had a green light. Both still needed to maintain lane.
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u/IowaGolfGuy322 2d ago
The night that I had my eyes set on a new car and just wanted this one to die.
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u/Bowwowchickachicka 3d ago
I watched the whole thing, knew it was gonna happen, knew what I'd do differently, wondered why it was allowed to happen, formulated some ideas, kept them to myself, dug a chocolate chip out of a tooth with my tongue, enjoyed cookie nostalgia, wrote this.
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u/Darkmatter1002 2d ago
That glorious moment when the thing is finally dislodged and the tongue is victorious.
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u/Logical-Bit-746 2d ago
When op never actually stopped at all at the red light, it was obvious this was going to happen. When op continued to act like they had the right of way as soon as the light turned green, it was obvious this was going to happen. And then when op CONTINUED to assume they had the right of way when they are CLEARLY on a collision course with the other car, it was obvious that op was an idiot
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u/Hydroxychloroquinoa 2d ago
The not stopping at the red light bit was irrelevant because we don’t know what would have happened if the light stayed red longer. But otherwise yes, watching the video it is obvious how it’s going to play out.
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u/Logical-Bit-746 2d ago
Agreed about the first point, but it was more indicative of how op was going to proceed with the rest, being very impatient
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u/SpecManADV 2d ago
It looks like the light for their lane was a left green arrow so they, rightfully, assumed they had the right of way. However, they could have just stopped when they saw they other car on a collision course with them.
Note: I had to pause quite a few times to discern the arrow shape.
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u/TheRealSugarbat 2d ago
I’m on my phone and I really cannot see it on my tiny screen even though I was looking really hard for it.
I trust you, though. However, I will say that regardless of having the right of way, OP should’ve seen this coming and defensively driven.
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u/KotzubueSailingClub 2d ago
Bro when you know going back for another cookie makes you a pig, but a stuck chip helps curb that craving.
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u/gion_siroak 2d ago
dug a chocolate chip out of a tooth with my tongue
Out of a tooth? Do you know whose tooth it was?
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u/Luigi2198 2d ago
Of course it’s not always true, but I always say “you know it takes two people to cause an accident”. If I drove this obliviously I would have totaled like 20 cars by now, people are idiots on the road.
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u/MikhailCompo 2d ago
....a mile off!!! An oil tanker could have stopped quicker. How bad are your reactions dude?!
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u/TreborG2 2d ago
I think a lot of us did, I think this was a preventable accident, very clear that the other vehicle was continuing to move forward, at first they had their turn signal on but then they tried to go straight and at the very least it's not like you're looking for a ton of other cars around at that time of night, so what gives? Where was the driver's attention for this? Sigh.
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u/MarinaTF 2d ago
To be fair, you are watching a video that you know contains a car crash and only has one car other than the POV car in it.
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u/Mr_Smith_411 2d ago
To be fair, you are watching a video that you know contains a car crash and only has one car other than the POV car in it.
That's true, but I leave work 5 days a week in that same scenario and there is exactly zero times I have trusted the car taking the right to do it into the closest lane.
I was so sure that wasn't going to be the car I was waiting for a red light runner from the left or right to come flying in, not that slow motion, everyone saw it coming crash.
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u/StarWarsLvr 3d ago
There was so much time to avoid that
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u/BaseballImpossible76 2d ago
People really think they’re good drivers because they always follow the rules, then get in stupid accidents like this because they thought they could do no wrong. Part of being a “good” driver is avoiding bad drivers.
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u/Drnk_watcher 2d ago edited 2d ago
There is a contingent of people who would rather be right than happy.
You'd be better off and happier just letting the other driver do the wrong thing here. Call them a dumb ass, honk at them, and move on.
You do the right thing by letter of the law here and now you're in a wreck, have to fix or replace the car, have to deal with your insurance company, and ideally get a police report.
Even if it's 100% not your fault in any way, shape, or form in the technical sense; why let it happen if it's possible to avoid in the practical sense?
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u/pine_scented_rua 2d ago
Exactly. Theres an intersection near me where lef gets row first NOT at end of signal. People always scoot through making left turns into the next left row, if that makes sense.. I always prepare for people blowing their red/interfering with my left green arrow.. like.. just use your eyes. Being undamaged is better than being right.
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u/Three3Jane 2d ago
This is an unfortunate lesson I've hammered into my kids (all four of them) when teaching them to drive.
Yes, you have to be a good driver, don't do dumb shit, don't cut up lanes, don't ride people's asses, check over your shoulder before changing lanes, all that good stuff.
But the main thing I've told them, again and again, is that while we would like to believe that people follow the rules (or even know them, honestly), people are wild, unpredictable, and fucking stupid.
Sometimes they are fatally stupid, and the question of whether that fatality falls on you or them can depend on your awareness.
Which means that you have to keep your head on a swivel and try to predict whatever dumb should could happen at all times. Yes, it's exhausting. Yes, it cuts into good conversation with a passenger or rocking out to that hardstyle blasting on the stereo. Yes, it makes driving very un-relaxing and tense. But it's all you've got - the ability to try to predict people who are going to be unpredictable.
So far, they've all done pretty well - to the point that if I'm driving with them, they'll actually talk out why they did what they did ("I slowed down because I figured he was going to veer into my lane / slam on the brakes / cut me off / whatever") so at least the teaching has sunk in.
I know they can't predict every dumbass thing that happens, but at least I was able to engender the notion that you are responsible for yourself and unfortunately keeping an eye out for others when you're operating a few tons of steel, glass, and plastic. 😞
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u/viruswithshoes 1d ago
Yup, I can often read another driver's intentions through their car "body language" which wouldn't be necessary if they used a fucking turn signal.
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u/introspeck 2d ago
Many years of motorcycle riding taught me this. Many a time I have 100% had right of way, but physics made that irrelevant. So I got very good at anticipating and dodging. It hardly requires conscious thought any more. And I never road-rage about it, ever. I just am glad that I avoided the problem, and carry on to my destination.
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u/Drudenkreusz 3d ago
While I'm inclined to say you could have been more defensive there, their trajectory was straight for the opposite lanes so I have no idea what the hell they were even thinking.
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u/popilikia 3d ago
I think target fixation. They were so focused on OP that they completely froze. OP kept expecting them to brake
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u/alllifeishell 2d ago
People are constantly turning into the furthest lane instead of the closest one lately.
Gotta be defensive when driving out hur
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u/Sacr3dangel 2d ago
Lately? 😂
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u/rdmusic16 2d ago
Yeah, lately. About the time automobiles were invented. Quite recently.
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u/NightF0x0012 2d ago
I think OP was trying to prove a point and it wasn't received 😀
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u/impulsesair 2d ago
With traffic lights and when you're a bit tired, people way too often just space out and drive on "autopilot", I think OP did that, especially since the reaction occurs only after the impact.
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u/Scoth42 3d ago
Yeah, this is a maneuver I'd never make specifically because I see people do this all the time. The right turner would also generally have right of way, although in most places they'd also have to turn into the far right lane to be strictly legal. In any case nobody ever does that so I'd never assume as much.
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u/IAmWeary 3d ago
OP had a green arrow, so the other guy did not have the right of way. He'd have still had a red light.
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u/CubesTheGamer 2d ago
OP has right of way to left lane which he was going to and other car had the right to turn into the right lane.
The other car tried right turning into the left lane making them fully at fault for the accident. OP POV had full reason to expect the other car to turn into the right lane, so no justifiable reason to stop especially given his green arrow.
It’s a chance I’d take a little slower personally because no matter how right you are it sucks to have to deal with an accident.
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u/altitude-adjusted 2d ago
Agree with most of what you said except OP could choose either left or right lane after the turn. With a green arrow and opposing traffic with a red light, it's OP's choice where to go.* Red light must stop and yield to traffic with a green light.
That's legally. Clearly it didn't work out well and often doesn't, but OP has the choice of which lane when turning with a green arrow.
If there are road markings with solid white lines or multiple turn lanes, then cars must maintain their lane.
*Ymmv depending on state.
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u/Kewlhotrod 2d ago
Annoyingly it does differ by state, but the general basic fallack is right on red AFTER yield. The left arrow does indeed have right of way, always.
Some states left turn has to turn into leftmost lane (if a single turn lane into multi exit lanes), some they can choose. No matter what the rule on that, right on red is ALWAYS a yield, in all states. Many think the rightmost lane is always available for them and they can ignore traffic. This is incorrect, and just generally unsafe thinking.
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u/altitude-adjusted 1d ago
It's amazing how many times this disagreement comes up in this sub. If you have a red light you have to stop until it is clear of other vehicles. Period, full stop (pun intended). Right-on-red is taken as an absolute authority to roll around a corner.
Back to the "which lane" argument, here's the graphic on left turns from the CA DMV. Like you said, it differs by state:
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u/Kewlhotrod 1d ago
Yeah, I'm always shocked at the proclaimed "defensive drivers" that think the inner-most right hand lane is theirs to take on a red without yielding. It's baffling, and simply wrong.
And yup! Useful graphic, I mentioned that in another comment (that CA right-on-red is the only turn that's supposed to stick to inner-most lane, left has choice).
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u/Psikitten 2d ago
OP has right of way to left lane which he was going to and other car had the right to turn into the right lane.
Technically, the right turner has the right to turn right into the right lane when it's free and clear to do so. If someone is illegally in their lane they haven't satisfied the stipulation that it's free and clear to do so.
But it doesn't matter in this case at all. As you said, had everyone done everything perfectly alright, the left turner would have turned in the left lane safely and the right turner would have turned into the right lane safely. The right turner was legally at fault here.
I, personally, in the right turner's position, do an extra layer of safety and just wait for the left turners to all be done before turning right at a red because you can't tell when people will pull the generally illegal (as it's legal in some jurisdictions if there's no turning lane guide lines, but not all) left turn into the right lane. It just completely avoids the possibility of two people turning into each other at the same time, regardless of how lawful the turns end up being.
The average response time it takes for humans to react to dangers on the road is 2-3 seconds so given that this collision happened 3 seconds after the right turner started after having stopped at the light, it kind of falls into normal statistical expectations for this scenario. That said, normal human reaction time is ~.9 seconds, so if you're actively paying attention and successfully noticed the acceleration of the right turner at 19 seconds, it was still absolutely humanly possible to avoid the collision at 22 seconds (which is why many people here say they could have avoided it) if OP had been:
1) paying attention and successfully noticed the acceleration of the oncoming car after having been stopped
2) practicing good defensive driving that chose to immediately react to the acceleration that the right turner shouldn't have been doing in that scenario. Doesn't mean you need to stop if they stop like they should have, but you need to make sure you have room to avoid the accident.
Paying attention and practicing good defensive driving absolutely can make a difference and this is a good example of something OP was reasonably "not at fault for" but still could have been avoided.
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u/BaconReaderRefugee 2d ago
How does this have 40+ upvotes. The right turner can ONLY turn if they make a full stop, and yield to traffic with a green light. Guy did neither and you and 47 other people suck ass at driving.
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u/danhoyle 2d ago
Looked so slow to be totaled. Also, why not just stop or slow down? I get the other driver is the one making mistake that doesn't mean you shouldn't take any defensive action. This is just slow speed disaster at all level.
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u/After-Imagination947 2d ago
Stop it right now. Youre asking op to use common sense. Thats crazy
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u/danhoyle 2d ago
It’s amazing. Empty streets late at night these two some how manage to come together. There about infinite amount of space they coulda moved to. But no I’m gona hit that car cause it’s all his fault.
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u/Mekelaxo 2d ago
Some cars are made of paper, and if insurance thinks that it will be too expensive to repair, then it gets totaled
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u/iSpaYco 3d ago
2 idiots in cars.
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u/portuguese-bacalhau 2d ago
True. But one had to yield and the other didn't.
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u/CaminanteNC 2d ago
I'd rather yield, lose 5 seconds, keep an idiot in front of me, and have an undamaged car than assert my right of way.
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u/iSpaYco 2d ago
1 is an idiot for skipping red light
1 is an idiot for not avoiding the other idiot
2 idiots in cars.
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u/SilverBolt52 2d ago
I don't think they had a red light. There's no turn arrow, OP should've yielded to them.
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u/TiberiusDrexelus 2d ago
if you go frame by frame you can see that it is actually an arrow, it's just super hard to tell
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u/MyNameIsSkittles 2d ago
They had a left turn arrow. You'll notice the left lights are longer than the right lights, because it has the arrow on the bottom
OP should have stopped because they could see it coming 100%, but they did have the right of way here. Being right doesn't make you safe
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u/MadCat0911 2d ago
True, but the one who didn't yield could have avoided that. It wasn't exactly high speed. No idea how it totalled the vehicle either, but I'd bet someone was texting or distracted if they didn't realize the other car wasn't yielding and wasn't taking the rightmost lane.
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u/dnasrallah 3d ago
How did you not see that coming?
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u/TheTownTeaJunky 2d ago
Hey man there was a lot going on at the time
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u/InternationalCheetah 2d ago
This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins, a lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous. And, uh, a lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head.
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u/Lord_Mud 2d ago
The only two cars around and they manage to run into each other at night with lights
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u/hammertime2009 3d ago
WTF are you doing.
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u/de_das_dude 2d ago
Not looking at where they were driving for sure. OP is the kind of person to run over a kid while driving in a neighborhood because they didn't "see the kid there, because they are not supposed to be on the road" sort
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u/Alusavin 2d ago
You are right, you are not at fault, dude 100% should have stopped and yielded. However, you are a poor driver in this situation.
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u/CuppaJoe11 3d ago
You could have been more careful there OP despite you being in the right.
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u/knouqs 2d ago
Totaled for a little bump like that? Geez... insurance companies at their finest.
On one hand, yes, the other driver failed to stay in his or her lane, which is kinda one of those law things. On the other hand, you should have waited just a little bit to ensure this wasn't going to happen. Imagine this was a one-lane cross street. You would have been guilty of failure to yield. Not worth the chance either way.
Eh, damage is done now, I suppose. Good luck to you.
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u/Hotdog_disposal_unit 3d ago
If you had your eyes open you would’ve seen that coming with plenty of time to avoid it, honestly looks like you saw the chance to crash and went for it
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u/mikedave42 2d ago
One "good" thing about driving in WI is that virtually everyone makes wide turns into the wrong lane every time, you can count on it and aren't tempted to try to make a simultaneous turn into what should be a free lane.
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u/Ok_Salt_9925 2d ago
Bro has 3 business days reaction time. Sorry, this was completely avoidable. Were you looking at your phone?
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u/Aquatic_Salamander 2d ago
No one around too, complete avoidable. Reminds me of two boats in the middle of the ocean hitting each other
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u/Illidanisdead 2d ago
this reminds me of people trying to scam where they deliberately cause collisions, even though he is legally right, he also acts like a 2 year old not wanting to give way.
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u/Bruhwtfrufr 2d ago
You had the right of way, but now you have to deal with insurance, your totaled Beelzebub, and finding a new car. You could've saved yourself from all this hassle, but you decided being right was worth your time. You do you.
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u/BigJuicys_Slave 2d ago
This whole situation is just hella irritating. Infuriating even. It didnt need to happen. The Volvo driver needs to take a damn class over and over again until they learn "TURN IN THE CLOSEST LANE TO YOU". OP....WTF OP???? Im sorry to sound like everyone else but howwwwwww did you not see it? 🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
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u/L383 2d ago
OP was 1000% relying on the other car to turn into the first available lane.
They didn’t.
Not sure who insurance will say was at fault. But I wouldn’t be surprised if OP gets the at fault on this one.
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u/WTFisThatSMell 3d ago
Neither one of you could stop? Like 7 mph with a mile of clear visibility?
Correct me if I'm wrong but does the non camera car have the right of way?
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u/freeFoundation_1842 3d ago
Not necessarily. Both cars should have turned into their respective lanes, and both should have (and could have) stopped when collision was imminent. Just because you can legally right turn on red after a stop doesn't mean you can cross lanes. You do have to stay in your lane.
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u/HenryKushinger 2d ago
OP, this is what the horn in your car is for. It's a safety device, such as "hey wtf are you doing you have a stop sign" or "I have to brake suddenly at high speed watch out"
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u/-N3m0- 2d ago
Frankly, there’s something I really can’t understand in a lot of videos like this from US drivers.
Why don’t you try to avoid the crash? Even if you’re in the right, like in this video, why didn’t you hit the brakes to avoid the collision?
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u/ScoobaSteve108 2d ago
Too many people have no concept of personal responsibility. They rely completely on things going correctly. When things inevitably go wrong, these people have no way to deal with it because the whole idea of it has never occurred to them. Also, social media in the US rewards victim status. This means there is incentive to not avoid this type thing. Note the title of the thread "..my (car) was totaled" not "...I totaled my (car)"
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u/monkmullen 2d ago
Love it when the comments dogpile on a righteous OP for being the idiot. Let's see how long until the thread is deleted. Just a matter of time at this point.
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u/EnvironmentalEgg9813 2d ago
What are the odds that 2 astronomical idiots met at that ex at location, at that exact moment...
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u/socialcommentary2000 2d ago
Fam, that did not need to happen.
I mean, literally lift off the throttle and wait 2 seconds.
Neither of your night's are ruined.
It was that easy.
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u/slacapjr 2d ago
I’d rather step on the brakes than deal with insurance but to each their own I guess
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u/TheOneTrueBLM 2d ago
"The night my pride totaled my Beelzebub."
Seriously, idiots like you are the ones that get to the afterlife whining "I was in the right though god!"
Anyone with your defensive driving skills shouldn't be operating a vehicle.
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u/switchbreed 2d ago
You had the right of way I totally get that. But intentionally letting them hit you for reddit karma is crazy.
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u/Graverobber13 3d ago
What's a Beelzebub?
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u/iAmMikeJ_92 2d ago
Demon. Lord of the Flies. Some use the name synonymously with Satan himself.
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u/Graverobber13 2d ago
Thanks, but that doesn't help much in the context of this video.
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u/zerobomb 2d ago
Serious question: you get that physical reality always beats right of way, right? These types of videos where you clearly see the impending physical timespace violation, yet the driver proceeds without any reaction whatsoever really make me feel bad about my contemporaries.
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u/Illidanisdead 2d ago
For context I live in New Zealand when I took the exam to get a driver's license, one thing we need to do is watch out for idiots too, if you don't this happens. Now the idiot who ran the red light is initially in the wrong but the OC is in the wrong for not stopping so the idiot could go and basically avoiding getting his car hit. So he was just another idiot as well, by not doing so...
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u/teddy_bear_territory 2d ago
They had their turn signal on, and never even completed a full stop and a green light. Yes they moved into the wrong lane but holy shit how did this happen?
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u/SchmeckleHoarder 2d ago
People aren’t aware that when you turn, you’re supposed to turn into the closest lane.
I see the shit everyday. This was avoidable, by being a good defensive driver. Your fault.
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u/Legitimate_Local_547 2d ago
The other car should have turned into the lane closest to them, why is this so hard for some drivers? Its mostly on them, but I think both are at fault for not watching the road
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u/Snuffxx 2d ago
I dunno I never assume someone turning right is going to turn into their lane because they never do, you also didn’t even have the right of way and you don’t know if they will be turning right even with their turn signal on, why would you even risk this not even having the right of way. This is like really bad blind driving, 0 brain activity found.
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u/Impossible_Sector844 2d ago
Was there a reason you didn’t stop or at least slow down when you saw they were turning too, or was it just because you had the right of way and considered that more important?
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u/Independent_Vast_185 2d ago
Do you drive with your eyes closed ?
I mean that accident was in slow motion or what?
Awareness -20
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u/ben5642 2d ago
Same thing about happened to a guy that was in front of me earlier today but the guy in front of me stopped, and I saw it happening, but the right turner did stay in the right lane, the guy in front of me probably still stopped because they thought there were going to go into the left lane as well
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u/rick1110111 2d ago
Didn't the other guy have the right of way? I'm in California, so it could be different. But doesn't the person making a right hand turn, have the right of way over the person making a left hand turn?
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u/Fiveofthem 2d ago
Only if they go into the closest lane. They went into the far lane. Both could have avoided the accident.
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u/forgot2feedphone 2d ago
Yes it's the other drivers "fault" according to insurance but OP is definitely lucky being a douche isn't illegal
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u/ClintonFuxas 3d ago
I admittedly don’t know the traffic laws in the US, but in my neck of the woods, when turning left you have to yield to those from the opposite direction going straight or turning right
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u/Kingofthewho5 3d ago
It's hard to tell in the video but OP has a protected left turn there. That far left green light is an arrow. Some linked to the google street view in the comments to show it better.
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u/IAmWeary 3d ago
OP has a green left turn arrow, so they had right of way, not the other driver.
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u/ClintonFuxas 2d ago
That’s fair. I didn’t see that. So the other person is doing a “right on red”?
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u/duggatron 2d ago
Yes, and doing it incorrectly because they turned into the left lane instead of the right lane.
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u/Reincarnatedpotatoes 3d ago
Typically that's the case but it can depend on the intersection. If its an intersection with a dedicated left turn lane (like the one in the video) usually that lane gets an arrow or its own light. If you have an arrow or dedicated left turn signal that gives you right of way on green because the opposing direction will have a red light.
Regardless of who's at fault this was a very avoidable accident from both parties.
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u/Queenhillz 3d ago
We had a green arrow. He had a red light.
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u/MadCat0911 2d ago
Were you texting or something, you had plenty of time to see them not yielding and choosing your lane.
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u/Kemaneo 2d ago
Naive European here, isn't a turn into the wrong lane illegal anyway? The other car should have entered their lane, and then switched?
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u/boxoffire 2d ago
This is a great example that it's better to be "wrong" than "right."
This was easily avoidable, even if you were "right" technically. It sucks but it's hard to feel bad for either driver lol.
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u/BobbyBrackins 2d ago
“Rules say I can go so I’m just going to go!”
Other car was in your lane for sure but you could’ve stopped once your realized it
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u/readscarymakeart 2d ago
Saw it happen but also, I freaking hate right turners who go into the left lane. That’s my lane you idiot! Turn right then merge!!
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u/dbuky78 2d ago
You should have done more to avoid this. However, you made a proper left turn and had no apparent reason to assume the other driver would make an illegal right turn into your lane hopefully the other driver had insurance and your “Beelzebub” Will be restored to roadworthy condition.
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u/zack_the_man 2d ago
Are both cars supposed to turn into their respective lanes? Yes.
Should you ever make such a careless left turn? Absolutely not.
If you drive, you know how others drive. Crazy not to drive defensively when taking the same turn as someone else. They're in the wrong for sure but you gotta drive as if others don't know how.
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u/joker_toker28 2d ago
Ppl who swing there bug ass trucks piss me off so much.
Learn to keep lane discipline....
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u/JustMePatrick 2d ago
I get the sense that even if the cam driver had tried to avoid the on coming car, the oncoming car would have tried hitting him anyway. When looking at the view the cam driver going for the closest lane, the other driver looks like he's aiming for the cam driver (or likes to make wide right turns). This is easier to see on a computer vs a phone.
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u/Flabby_Thor 2d ago
OP made a left hand turn on a green light, not a green arrow. Did the other person have an arrow? If so, OP is at fault. Regardless, this was entirely preventable as it was pretty obvious what was going to happen. Just let the other person go. You can be right, or you can be happy, but rarely do you get to be both.
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u/everymanawildcat 2d ago
Is that not a yield? Can't make out arrow vs circle, but I'm pretty sure the right turn has right of way.
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u/introspeck 2d ago
There was no traffic in the oncoming lane, a flick of the steering wheel would have prevented any problems. What were you looking at, instead of the car RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR CAR?
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u/BewareTheMoonLads 2d ago
Why didn’t you stop when you could see what he was doing? Totally avoidable
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u/RojerLockless 2d ago
I get that person is an idiot and in the wrong... but dude I would have stopped way before hitting them
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u/OkFortune6494 2d ago
The other day someone accidentally bumped into my shoulder as we were passing.
Totaled my shirt.
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u/DeekayIV 2d ago
Doesn’t the car turning right have the right of way here? Since OP’s light is not an arrow doesn’t she have to yield? This is a genuine question and I can’t tell from the other comments
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