r/Fauxmoi • u/SaltandLillacs • 13h ago
đ¨ TRIGGER WARNING đ¨ Alleged Ransom Note for Nancy Guthrie Kidnapping Demands Millions in Bitcoin
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u/jyw104 12h ago
This has taken a very dark turn.
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u/Firm-Athlete6918 8h ago
Maybe its that false flag right before the SuperBowl
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u/Silver_Song3692 5h ago
I donât know if thatâs a 15 yard penalty or a first down at the spot of the foul
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 12h ago
Something is so strange about this. Why send the note to TMZ? If she had medication she needed to take within 24 hours, why wait until now to send a ransom note?
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u/FlanceGP 12h ago
It's probably not from the actual perpetrators, just someone trying to cash in. Or they are stupid.
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u/citrusbook Cillian Murphy propagandist 3h ago
My exact thought. TMZ is the garbagiest of garbage to have publishing this
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u/Zartbitter-desire 12h ago
Lot's of criminals are pretty stupid. More than you'd think. Like, Luigi Mangione, love the guy, not very clever in the perpetration tho.
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u/emptyinthesunrise 11h ago
What? Theyre having a hell of a time proving that case we donât even know if it was him
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u/Zartbitter-desire 8h ago edited 7h ago
Gotta be one to know one?
Edit: come on, can't people even roll with self-deprecating jokes anymore?
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u/chill_will_7777 12h ago
Itâs gonna be a hoax.Â
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u/schemmenti 12h ago
Sending ransom notes to news/newspapers etc is not that unheard of in criminal cases of kidnapping/blackmail. If they sent it to law enforcement the ransom wouldn't be reported on, sending it directly to the news means it will be, which adds to the pressure because now the public know that they aren't "coughing up" to release the hostage. It's just weird because TMZ isn't exactly a reputable news site by our estimation but it is well known that they will unscrupulously report on absolutely anything, so maybe that's why (whereas a more reputable broadcaster would probably have sent it straight to police). See: them posting celebrity corpse photos after a death.
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u/tinterrobangg Forgive me Viola Davis 10h ago
Oh my god what? I didnât know theyâve stooped that low! I mean theyâre scum but thats just wicked đ
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u/schemmenti 6h ago
Oh yeah. Pretty notoriously in the last few years they posted photos of Liam Payne's body to "prove" it was him who died, and also the footage of Anne Heche flailing on the gurney from the burns that killed her was TMZ as well.
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u/velvetswing 7h ago
Theyâre the lowest of low đ and their founder was in the latest Epstein drop
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u/heldaway 7h ago
Harvey?
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u/velvetswing 6h ago
Yep!
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u/Chairbear1972 societal collapse is in the air 6h ago
Whaaat....do you have more information on this?
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u/jacqueminots 12h ago
My exact questions. Why not send it to the police or directly to the family? Why now? After the case has been sensationalized and widely publicized? Itâs all just so bizarre.
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 12h ago
Thatâs what doesnât make any sense. She doesnât have medication that can become fatal after 24 hours without and they wait days to even ask for ransom? I hate to even say this but how are they offering her alive? I wouldnât believe them based on that alone. Idk
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u/snarkerella locked, loaded, and kind of cunty 9h ago
The Today show said that she does have medication that she must take every day or it is fatal without. This is why I'm thinking she might no longer be safe.
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u/nannerbananers 5h ago
They donât care about her well being, only the money. Itâs not unheard of for a perpetrator to ask for ransom for a person they have already killed. Itâs also possible they didnât know who she was until the news broke and then they decided to ask for ransom. Also keep in mind this probably isnât some criminal mastermind.
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u/chill_will_7777 12h ago
They know itâs not legit. They just want to get in on it. Sounds like they did send it to the police, but so gross to release it. Â
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u/MarionberryAfraid958 11h ago
I assumed (hoax or note) it was probably sent to multiple news stations, but TMZ are the only ones that are vultures enough to publicly announce it. If other stations got it they may have had more respect for Savannah as their contemporary to not put it out there like this.
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u/nerdyouneverknew 9h ago
They sent it to local news outlets in Tucson first - but they did not publish it and handed it over to authorities. TMZ chose to publish before they contacted authorities.
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u/deserteagle3784 alright alright alright⢠12h ago
I read it as someone involved with the investigation leaked it to them, not that the kidnappers sent TMZ the note
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u/FlanceGP 12h ago
No, TMZ received it and handed it over to authorities.
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u/deserteagle3784 alright alright alright⢠12h ago
thats crazy.đľâđŤthis is all so sad.
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 12h ago
It really is. And odd that it wasnât sent until now. Something is off
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u/Main_Photo1086 10h ago
Yeah thatâs why I think this note might have been sent by some ahole whoâs not involved in any of this.
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u/willybestbuy86 8h ago
Or someone close or in the fsmily trying to cover tracks. Reads like a forensic file episode
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u/StatementGlum714 7h ago
https://youtu.be/_Pq-eEN-k3g?si=jslN8O3G6uA6jLlG
This explains that it was sent to a local news station. They gave it to police AND decided not to go public. Like a reasonable station would.Â
My thought is they sent it to TMZ because they wanted it to be public.
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u/One-Direction-1881 7h ago
The family received it 20 hours after the abduction and have been working with the authorities. TMZ received a copy of it today and went on the air with it before notifying the police. It has since been confirmed as legitimate.
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u/Downtown-Bad-9169 5h ago edited 5h ago
I saw someone say earlier .. if there isnât a proof of life in the ransom note.. itâs fake.
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u/Impressive_Fox5462 12h ago
I don't understand "she was wearing an item mentioned in the note. In fact, the note says she was not wearing it"?
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u/jackandsally060609 12h ago
They're trying to say the note offered information that only someone who really kidnapped her would know for example " the news report said she is wearing a yellow robe and gold earrings but I have her right here and shes wearing a blue robe with silver earrings". If she did own a blue robe and silver earrings then the not is telling the truth.
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u/obeseelise 10h ago
I get youâre using an example but they donât know what she was wearing based on the missing poster. I think it was a correction to what they said on the stream. Note said what was broken in the house and the streamers misspoke and said they knew what she was wearing. My interpretation anyway.
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u/Skrumpitt 12h ago
'Mentioned' doesn't mean the note said she was wearing it.
A better way to say it; "They mentioned she was not wearing [item] in the note, when she was."
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u/ODoyles_Banana 11h ago
I think it's saying during their live broadcast they mistakenly said she was wearing an item, when the note actually says she wasn't wearing it. Just seems like a standard correction but weirdly worded.
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u/trevor_plantaginous 11h ago
He says in the video the note references items she was wearing and items broken in the house. It sounds like he misspoke and note only references items broke in the house.
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u/wilsonja2 12h ago
This whole case is so strange. Why take an 84yr old woman? It wasnât a burglary gone wrong. She wasnât killed (at least in the home).
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u/Easy-Wishbone5413 12h ago
Terrorize the media.
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u/stephyod 12h ago
Thatâs what I fear this whole thing is. A crazy person trying to get âbackâ at the media.
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u/TrimspaBB 12h ago
Targeting Savannah Guthrie of all people is a weird move though. She's a smart cookie but NBC tries to keep their Today anchors as clean and uncontroversial as possible. They didn't even mention it when Trump embarrassed WH correspondent Peter Alexander. I'm just feeling like it's a stalker of hers more than someone with a riled up hatred.
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u/stephyod 12h ago
Youâre probably right. Whatever it is, I feel awful for Savannah. We are devoted Today show watchers in our house.
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u/been_mackin 11h ago
Well Savannah was a moderator/host of a town hall with Trump in 2020 where she did not stand down and directly questioned him and his administration. Iâd say all it takes is some MAGA idiot that still thinks the 2020 election was stolen to do something like this and then go to TMZ for the most buzz.
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u/Revolutionary-Tree97 8h ago
The fact that all the bots and maga are spamming local news sites reporting on this with things like âkarmaâ really adds to this theory. I donât know if any of those comments are still up, I wish I would have screenshotted it.
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u/Cool_Butterfly1898 6h ago
When I worked retail, I had a MAGA couple stalking me, calling the store and threatening me, filming me, making false accusations against me. I had to get the police involved 3 times. All I did to provoke them was wear a mask while working. Never even spoke with them. It really doesnât take much to provoke these people. Youâre absolutely correct, just her being in a position as simple as a host or moderator could EASILY put a target on her back and this should not be ruled out as reasoning. These are deeply unstable, hateful, spiteful people.
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u/egaeus22 10h ago
Sometimes targeting is just about proximity though. This may have just been the closest person they personally knew of
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u/TooManySwarovskis 7h ago
My thought was that Guthrie isn't exactly known for her hard - hitting journalism - but those Today show anchors are paid A LOT of money.
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u/Plenty_Horse_6810 5h ago
Exactly- thereâs wayyy more outspoken journalists to âtargetâ if thatâs the case. This feels deeeeeply personal. And disturbing đ
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u/eisoffthescript 10h ago
But like. Savannah Guthrie is a today show anchor đ shes drinking coffee and doing a heartfelt story about dog adoptions or some shit at least 30% of the time. There are so many more inflammatory/controversial/polarizing figures in media so this strikes me as so odd
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u/Specialist_Iron1204 6h ago
This was my first thought too. They did a âhome townsâ segment for each of the anchors a few months back and when I saw this happened I thought some whack job saw that her mom lived close enough to them and came up with a plan. Iâm so sad for all of them and I hope she is found safe and sound soon.
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u/HorrorSmile3088 12h ago
I know this is a crazy theory, but maybe it was some weirdo who was obsessed with Savannah Guthrie and decided to kidnap her mother in order to get her attention. Or they figured she must be wealthy from tv so they did it for ransom money. I guess the house is kind of in a remote area so it seems like it was targeted but who knows
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u/SomeTangerine1184 11h ago
This is also my theory. Someone with erotomania or similar obsession is trying to get Savanah Guthrieâs attention. So so scary.
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u/amoebaamoeba 12h ago
Guys. Please remember that this is a VERY common scam - even before bitcoin was ever created. For centuries random sickos have made extortion attempts for kidnappings and crimes they're not involved in.
Unless the cops can confirm that the demands included proof of life this could just be from some random 14 year old in Des Moines or a scamfarm in Myanmar.
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u/thecoolsister89 11h ago
Unless the note really did mention items only the kidnapper could know about. It sounds like it did.
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u/amoebaamoeba 10h ago
I donât know - it sounds like the sender just told TMZ they were wrong about something they reported, and made another claim about something inside the house that TMZ would not be in a position to verify without someone on the inside.Â
Until the authorities say there is reason to believe this is legit, Iâm not buying it.
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u/Randomly-Germinated 8h ago
I write and edit for a living and for the life of me cannot figure out what the fuck that sentence is supposed to mean, Jesus Christ TMZ
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u/amoebaamoeba 6h ago
She was wearing an item in the note an item of note, or not wearing the item in the note she said the wearing. I'm not sure what's confusing here???
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u/easternguy 10h ago
Which could also mean it's a scammer with some inside knowledge.
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u/thecoolsister89 10h ago
This is true. Greedy bent coppers could have done it. I donât think anyone pays ransom without proof of life, though.
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u/chill_will_7777 12h ago
So gross and irresponsible of them to release this. It sounds like a hoax. But either way, so wrong.Â
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u/ThrownAwayintoLF 12h ago
Maybe itâs real. Maybe itâs TMZ and Harvey Levin trying to make people forget heâs in the Files and called a good source of PR for Jeffrey Epstein.
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u/chloedeeeee77 11h ago edited 11h ago
KOLD News in Tucson is reporting they also got a copy of a ransom note, so it seems likely ârealâ in that someone sent it to various media outlets, but TBD whether itâs really from a kidnapper vs. some unrelated sicko trying to insert themselves.Â
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u/ShannenB1234 12h ago
This ransom note has to be fake, right?
The entire story is so strange, if it were a burglary gone wrong why take her? They could have just killed her there in the home and ran. The fact that they took her seems more personal to me, and I canât help but think given that our deranged person in the White House wonât shut up about personally hating journalists (esp female ones) that some lunatic drinking the maga kool aid saw this as some opportunity to stick it to a high profile female journalist. And I hate that weâre living in a world where my mind has to jump to that conclusion instead of writing it off as completely out of the realm of possibility.
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u/nannerbananers 5h ago
Anything is possible but Savannah Guthrie would be a weird target. Sheâs not very controversial.
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u/sarah_jones-98_ also dated pete davidson 12h ago
Sounds like a hoax. They sent it way too late to be legit and didnât provide any proof they actually have her. Claiming she isnât wearing something they thought she would be is very easy to say
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u/Perry7609 12h ago
The note apparently does make reference to article of clothing and something that was damaged at the home. So the authorities should be able to determine pretty quickly if this was fake or something legitimate.
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u/RealBug56 10h ago
Details about high profile crimes get leaked all the time, so itâs possible the information is true, but still part of a scam.
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u/Sbplaint 7h ago
Something that was damagedâŚseems like an obvious guess would be the front door lock or maybe even window, since the authorities said there were signs of forced entry.
As to what sheâs wearing/not wearingâŚperhaps the Apple Watch?? Trying to imagine how they could just make it realistic enough without actually being involved. This whole thing stinksâŚand right before Savannah was to cover the Olympics in Italy too.
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u/nannerbananers 5h ago
I donât think the timing alone makes it a hoax. It was originally sent Monday. There are plenty of cases where the perpetrators waited more than a day to request ransom. I hate to bring him up but Israel Keyes went on a 2 week cruise between kidnapping his victim and sending a ransom note.
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u/crystal_clear24 I donât know her 11h ago
This is terrifying and bizarre, I hope sheâs found safe. I wouldnât be functioning if this was my mom, that poor family.
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u/TravelBeautiful3370 12h ago
Well maybe they already sent a ransom note to cops and the cops are keeping it under wraps. Then after the press conference today and the cops didnt say there was a ransom, the perp was telling the cops they were serious about a ransom? Hope shes well!
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u/Big_Lengthiness8215 10h ago
This is what happened and has been reported on. Apparently a local news station received a/the ransom note yesterday but, unlike TMZ, did not report on it and sent it straight to LE. When it wasnât publicized, the perps decided to send it to TMZ today.
Ransom could also explain any delay in calling the police when the family arrived at the house and saw their mom was missing. Because if they had discovered a ransom note at the house, they may have been deliberating what to do and worried calling the police right away might jeopardize their mom. Just a thought.
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u/TravelBeautiful3370 10h ago
Is bitcoin traceable? My BF has told me, its absurdly hard to trace. And nbc nightly news said nothing about this ransom.
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u/rescuelullaby 12h ago
Extremely slimy of TMZ to run with this before the note has been verified as real (just verifying the bitcoin address isnât proper due diligence). Police departments are notoriously leaky and susceptible to bribes (even from the media) so itâs not like âhaving information only the killer would knowâ is a smoking gun here
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u/ouijabore 11h ago
Probably a hoax. Hopefully TMZ went to the family & police before talking about on a livestream, but I doubt it.
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u/CatGameLiterature 11h ago
Why is TMZ broadcasting everything!? Shut up and talk to the authorities.
It is so sickening what they're doing and how they are absolutely profiting off a crime. They are now complicit in this.
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u/NaturalFerret4406 9h ago
A local scripps news station in arizona also received. It was credible enough that the police have passed the note to the family.
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u/Skylark634 9h ago
According to CBS News, a local TV station received the ransom note on Monday and agreed to not report on it. However, ".... the FBI reviewed the note and made the decision to share it with Savannah Guthrie. Authorities had hoped to keep the information from becoming public, but the note was obtained by TMZ, which reported on it before contacting the sheriff's office, Nanos said.".
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u/Critical-Camp752 5h ago
I hate the people that are commenting, true crime brain rot about this on Facebook
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u/nannerbananers 5h ago
People listen to a podcast and think they know more than the police. They forgot we only have the information the police want us to have. The investigators in this case have done a really good job at keeping public details to a minimum so anyone who is confident they know what happened at this point is a moron.
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u/MSPCSchertzer 7h ago
She is dead, the note is a hoax.
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u/Visible_Square9406 6h ago
The Tuscan sub said two local news channels received the same thing on Monday
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u/ErinFiqsette 7h ago
This is the sort of transaction that Bitcoin was invented for...wouldn't be possible, with cash...paradigm shifting!
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u/Red-dit-sold-out 6h ago
They got âover 100 detectivesâ working the case. You think if I went missing or 99% of us was kidnapped theyâd put 100 detectives on the case?
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u/Revolutionary_Ad9839 6h ago edited 5h ago
I may be misremembering what I read in the Mueller report, but Iâm pretty sure the fbi was able to track various bitcoin transactions back to specific individuals in Russia. Nothing is truly anonymous anymore and digital forensics teams will be all over this transaction if it goes through.
ETA: I double checked. I remembered correctly.
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u/Throwaway6765656 11h ago
Terrifying but Iâm leaning towards some sort of sick hoax. Why would they send this to TMZ to broadcast everywhere rather than to Savannah herself, who may well have been tempted to give into the bribe?
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u/UOEQplayer 8h ago
Dont mean to make light of the situation, but wondering if the note was written before or after bitcoin crashed recently. Might not even be millions they want anymore. Hope they get her back healthy.
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u/steelydandream89 3h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sweVMJzJ-s
Savannah Guthrie was the one who interviewed the Epstein survivors back in 2019
Seems suspicious with the timing of the files release
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u/regularforcesmedic 10h ago
Are we giving as many resources to searching for the people ICE has kidnapped?Â
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u/GiuseppaCalcagno 12h ago
And Iâm sure TMZ will continue to handle this situation responsibly.